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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.11.25 17:52:00 -
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KurnKuku said "Come back and moan in 8 years when your reimbursed SP runs out."
It doesn't take 8 years, it takes until the new skills come out. You will be training all new skills at a slower rate. If you spend a year or more training new skills you will end up worse off. There are meant to be a lot of new skills coming in Incarna, new ship(s) and other skills. Even if you save the Learning SP to invest in new skills the point you end up worse off can be far less than 8 years.
What if you invest the SP now? Then Incarna hits and you spend ages training new skills. The answer is you end up worse off at the new skills over the current system.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.11.25 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 25/11/2010 21:44:07
Tonto Auri said " It takes 8 years AT LEAST. Longer for when you didn't have all skills maxed, if at all.
The "72 SP/h" number won't change as long as training speed formula does not."
No it does not take 8 years at least all the time. It can take 8 years or it can take much less. Take this Scenario. You invest the learning SP in your current skill plan, later a change of circumstance happen and you change skill plans. Perhaps new skills, perhaps a change of direction whatever the reason that new skill plan now earns 622,080 less skill points a year and take longer then train with the new change over the old change.
The new change makes you less adaptable and take longer to train changes in your skill plan. The 8 year number apply to such a small number of players I dont see it as a good number to use. Most players do not have static never changing skill plans. Anyone maxed out in the current system changing skill plans over the next, 8, 5 or 2 years will train slower. I am not saying the change is bad. Just pointing out the facts some people have missed.
Tonto Auri said "Again - do you really care about any potential loss you could experience mid-July of year 2018 ?"
You can experience a loss in 2011 or 2012 not as long as 2018. You could spend 2011 training your new skill plan slower then today. That's a loss in less then 2 years time. What happens in 3 years time when a new skill set comes out and I want to spend all year training those skills? I am at a loss over today as the skill plan takes longer to train then today. Does the loss matter, perhaps not but it's a loss.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.11.26 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 26/11/2010 13:14:31
Mike deVoid said ôI'll make it easy for you to understand. You drop 72sp/hr, however you get a gift (reimbursement) of 5,376,000 SP (assuming you have 5/5 learning). This means it will be 8.5 years before you are at a net loss.
To put it another way, if you spent your reimbursement of 5,376,000 SP at the rate of 72 sp/hr to keep your training rate at the same level it would last you 8.5 years.
So you won't actually feel your nerf for 8.5 years.ö
I have already proven that wrong more than once.
Look at it this way. You spend 5mill SP pool on your current plan. Your circumstanceÆs change and you change skill plan(s). Those new skill plans will end up with 5 million less SP in them after 8 years then what the current system would have. ThatÆs a nerf in the new skill plans in year 1 yet alone by year 8. That nerf has turned into a 5mill loss in SP for the new skill plans but a bonues for the skill plan that got the SP pool. So its a bonues and a nerf.
It might not matter in some ways and is not a reason to stop the changes. But itÆs not 8 years till you get a nerf. Effectively the old skill plan that gets the SP pool gets a bonus. All new skill plans that happen after the pool get used up end up with a nerf. What if T4 comes out in 2 years and I used the SP pool in my first year SP plan? Then the T4 skill plan that is 3 years long would end up with over 1 million less SP in it over the current system. All before the 8 year point. Slower training means itÆs harder to adapt to changes and new skill plans.
Now this isnÆt really a major problem but it is a disadvantage or nerf for changing skill plans.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.11.26 13:20:00 -
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When did neural remaps get added to Eve?
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.11.26 13:37:00 -
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Shandir said ôDon't make the wrong choice. If your circumstances are likely to change that drastically, then hold onto the SP until you're sure what you need to do with them - SP does not get any less valuable over time (at least not after this change).ö
ItÆs impossible to predict over 8 years. Any number of game place balance can happen, new skills or just changes in circumstances like you move into wormhole space and need different skills. People change skill plans all the time. There is no way to know when itÆs the best time to use the SP Pool. A few years back I used to be miner and would have maxed out the miner skills, now I never mine. You just cannot predict whatÆs going to happen. For all we know something might come out in the 2011 expansion thatÆs great and make us use the SP pool up. Then in the 2012 expansion something even better comes out only now that skill plan ends up with millions less SP in it.
The way I see it is skill plans that used the SP pool get a bonus. Skill plans that happen without the SP pool get a nerf/disadvantage over the current system. So some skill plans will be nerfed long before the 8 year mark.
Capsuleer Newton said ôI do understand you point, but then, you can't really say its a nerf, everyone, and i mean every player will succumbed to this, not just the vets. lets put it in a real life perspective, 10 years ago, maybe gas was $1 a gallon, now its $2.90/gal., now is that a nerf? NO, coz everyone will have to pay $2.90 now.ö
I am not following; a nerf that affects everyone is still a nerf. The big NO should be a big YES. Using the car example the people today are nerfed/at a disadvantage as they have to pay more to travel the same distance over past years.
Its certainly not as bad as everyoneÆs in the same boat. But I still see it as a disadvantage over the current system. Not a disadvantage I care about, but still a disadvantage.
Thanks Malcanis for the winter info.
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