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Fulkurth
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Posted - 2010.11.28 11:25:00 -
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 Originally by: fr0gout
The real question is: When are they finally deleting ECM from the game so that ships other than those immune to electronic warfare can actually be flown. I want to PVP in something other than my nyx and actually get a lock.
Please do delete ECM, Drake and ECM are the half decent things Caldari can do - I say NERF the ECM OR the Drake so that they are only allowed ONE Decent thing they can do... What *******s they think they are for having 2 decent things....
*flies away in his drake ECM boat...* 
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fr0gout
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Posted - 2010.11.28 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Fulkurth
Originally by: fr0gout
The real question is: When are they finally deleting ECM from the game so that ships other than those immune to electronic warfare can actually be flown. I want to PVP in something other than my nyx and actually get a lock.
Please do delete ECM, Drake and ECM are the half decent things Caldari can do - I say NERF the ECM OR the Drake so that they are only allowed ONE Decent thing they can do... What *******s they think they are for having 2 decent things....
*flies away in his drake ECM boat...*
Then maybe Caldari should be buffed then in one way or another, rather than relying on the most stupidly overpowered bull**** in this game. The reason why there is so many super capitals is because they cannot be jammed. ask any super capital pilot why they got them and half will say because of ecm.
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Fulkurth
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Posted - 2010.11.28 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Fulkurth on 28/11/2010 11:34:50
Originally by: fr0gout
Then maybe Caldari should be buffed then in one way or another, rather than relying on the most stupidly overpowered bull**** in this game. The reason why there is so many super capitals is because they cannot be jammed. ask any super capital pilot why they got them and half will say because of ecm.
Hold the phone we have a buff Caldari opinion, someone space him quick!
Seriously though, both fleets have the option to use ECM - if one fleet utilized it better than the other and won; perhaps the losing side needs to see where they went wrong and learn from it rather than cry Nerf all the time.
Plus, don't quote me or anything, but aren't there some of those handy Anti-ECM modules lying around?
Both sides have ECM so it's not "just" you being jammed; it's just another tactic in war; and as we all know, all's fair in love and war 
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fr0gout
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Posted - 2010.11.28 11:41:00 -
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sorry but, "both sides should use completely overpowered bull****" isn't really a good argument for ECM
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Fulkurth
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Posted - 2010.11.28 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Fulkurth on 28/11/2010 11:52:39
Originally by: fr0gout
sorry but, "both sides should use completely overpowered bull****" isn't really a good argument for ECM
So you'd use the same argument for USA to decommission all its Nukes but leave Russia with all of theirs because Nukes are overpowered? (lets face it they are lol)
Next you'll tell me Logistics should be thrown out of the game because repping a persons armour or shield is completely unfair to the guy shooting at it...
ECM isn't overpowered (after all you have that huge ship of yours that's IMMUNE to electronic warfare...) you just need better tactics to deal with it.
I believe the Eve mantra is "adapt or die" either adapt to it or die from it, but don't call nerf when you get killed by it because you didn't field your own ECM on some high morality crap.
Edit: Spelling
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Damien Du'Pont
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Posted - 2010.11.28 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: fr0gout
sorry but, "both sides should use completely overpowered bull****" isn't really a good argument for ECM
Want some cheese with that whine?
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fr0gout
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Posted - 2010.11.28 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Damien Du'Pont
Originally by: fr0gout
sorry but, "both sides should use completely overpowered bull****" isn't really a good argument for ECM
Want some cheese with that whine?
Want some overused meme with your otherwise bland and stupid posting to try and make sure self look cool and derail the fact that ECM is overpowered because you know it is and use it all the time?
My point still stands. ECM is overpowered. "Get your own overpowered ECM then" is not a valid response, and just shows how overpowered and bland ECM really is if the best counter to something completely game breakingly overpowered is just to use it yourself.
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Marchocias
Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2010.11.28 12:21:00 -
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You've hit the fundamental problem that CCP have been grappling with for these 4 years.
Coming up with the technology to achieve Incarna is the easy bit - they've had prototypes built and improved upon for ages. Their problem is they cannot decide on what Incarna actually should be from a gameplay perspective.
They are caught between two polar opinions:
- people who like spaceships only, and don't want to have to do any walking around to get any gameplay content, who fear the kind of fundamental changes in the game that Incarna may represent,
- and those people who love walking around and want Incarna to have some meaningful purpose other than pretty graphics, who think this is the only way for Eve to start to realise its potential as CCPs 'ultimate scifi sim'.
These two camps are idealogically opposed on a fundamental level - its probably not possible to please both.
So anyway, the last few years have been people in CCP coming up with ideas for what Incarna should be, but no firm decisions being made because they still basically aren't sure what they, and their players, actually want.
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Cozmik R5
Minmatar
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2010.11.28 14:34:00 -
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EVE happens in space. Incarna is fluff.
@frog0ut: Helly Kitty Online is that way =====>
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fr0gout
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Posted - 2010.11.28 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Cozmik R5
EVE happens in space. Incarna is fluff.
@frog0ut: Helly Kitty Online is that way =====>
I am betting Hello Kitty doesn't have a mechanic which promotes not being able to shoot eachother in a PvP game, and a not mechanic which encourages people to blob. Hello Kitty is probably more hardcore than eve right now with ECM still in the game.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.11.28 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: fr0gout
I am betting Hello Kitty doesn't have a mechanic which promotes not being able to shoot eachother in a PvP game, and a not mechanic which encourages people to blob. Hello Kitty is probably more hardcore than eve right now with ECM still in the game.
Depends. Is Hello Kitty a PvP game? Because all PvP games have mechanics that encourage promote not being able to shoot each other.
ECM is fine.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.11.28 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Unholy Minion
FPS combat IN EVE
...will never happen.
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Originally by: CCP Ginger
Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
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Tyr Khuda
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.28 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Tyr Khuda on 28/11/2010 17:38:58
Originally by: fr0gout
Originally by: Cozmik R5
EVE happens in space. Incarna is fluff.
@frog0ut: Helly Kitty Online is that way =====>
I am betting Hello Kitty doesn't have a mechanic which promotes not being able to shoot eachother in a PvP game, and a not mechanic which encourages people to blob. Hello Kitty is probably more hardcore than eve right now with ECM still in the game.
Christ, were your multiposts not enough? You ***** about derailing but my friend this thread is about Incarna not your hatred of ECM. Go away, your crusade lost its funny on the third thread.
EDIT: Want some french cries with your wah-mburger?
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Rascal deJascal
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Posted - 2010.11.28 17:52:00 -
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What might help station life is the ability for people/corps to set up a shop and sell inside the station.
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iP0D
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Posted - 2010.11.28 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Marchocias
They are caught between two polar opinions:
- people who like spaceships only, and don't want to have to do any walking around to get any gameplay content, who fear the kind of fundamental changes in the game that Incarna may represent,
- and those people who love walking around and want Incarna to have some meaningful purpose other than pretty graphics, who think this is the only way for Eve to start to realise its potential as CCPs 'ultimate scifi sim'.
These two camps are idealogically opposed on a fundamental level - its probably not possible to please both.
It is very possible to combine those two extremes, hybridise them and even to fill up all the space between the extremes, so to speak. It's in the hands of CCP however. If they leave it empty, they will lose momentum. If they enforce things, theyeffectively alienate quite a lot of the scale.
But I wouldn't worry, it's clear that CCP have an awesome vision that will be totally epic and will have explosions, and lots of content, and stuff. It's gonna be awesome, you will see. They've had 4+ years to work out a grand vision, for both commercial filling and gameplay and expanding on the sandbox principles.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.28 21:24:00 -
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Is this seriously a thread complaining about the lack of information on content in an expansion that isn't due to release for at least another 6 months?
Does anybody else besides me find this rather stupid?
Lets worry about the currently releasing expansion and see what comes out in it before questioning the next one. It's like talking about the Playstation 5 when 4 hasn't come out yet.
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Aurora Hailey
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Posted - 2010.11.28 21:40:00 -
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I just want a space station with 1500+ players crammed in Jita. NO SEPARATE SERVER INSTANCES PLEASE. I want ALL 1500+ players in the station at the same time. Make the station epic.
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Rusty Waynne
Caldari
Waynne Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.28 22:10:00 -
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Probably nothing.
Massive waste of time and a missed opportunity IMO.
Once incarna comes out, every expansion after that for years to come will be focused on WiS content and space content will get a backseat.
Incarna will usher in the steady decline of EVE.
Calling it here.
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Saju Somtaaw
Gallente
Department of Defence
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2010.11.28 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aurora Hailey
I just want a space station with 1500+ players crammed in Jita. NO SEPARATE SERVER INSTANCES PLEASE. I want ALL 1500+ players in the station at the same time. Make the station epic.
This, and if they have seperate "run down" models for low-see/null-sec stations use those but add more maintnance NPCs as it has so much traffic. For IC reason say that the maintaince staff can't keep up with the wear and tear
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EffBee Primus
Caldari
DCS Ltd
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Posted - 2010.11.28 23:33:00 -
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I used to play "Earth and Beyond" if anyone remembers that. I really enjoyed leaving my ship and wandering around the stations to perform my business. It added a sense of sci-fi "reality" if I may put it that way. I especially liked the spaceship naming feature, the spaceship customization (mostly just a paint job) and the abilty to wander around the hangar looking at my spaceship.
I see a dnager that EVE will be dumbed down and dragged off to the console marketplace in years to come - allowing the current PC based EVE I know and love to wither away. Has anyone seen a (very) long term committment to EVE on the PC platform fron CCP?
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Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.29 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rusty Waynne
Probably nothing.
Massive waste of time and a missed opportunity IMO.
Once incarna comes out, every expansion after that for years to come will be focused on WiS content and space content will get a backseat.
Incarna will usher in the steady decline of EVE.
Calling it here.
Ain't gonna happen. Frankly Incarna is nothing more than CCP showing off their ****. They have this "Carbon" tech for character simulation that they want to show off. What better way to do that then by implementing it into EvE while at the same time pleasing a large number of players who wouldn't mind seeing their character out of pod.
As sad as it is a lot of people won't play this game because they cannot associate a ship to themselves like they can an actual character with body. My wife refused to play this game until she heard about Incarna. Now she can't wait.
Frankly the hardcore community in EvE really is the minority. Incarna isn't going to hurt EvE...it will grow the population. Make more money for CCP which creates more money for more people to be hired to create more stuff for better expansions.
Let it happen.
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Zan Altier
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Posted - 2010.11.29 00:16:00 -
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I'm looking forward to incarna. I hope that there is some content that is a game in of it's self. Sort of like mass effect where you could talk to npc's and go on quests, both legal and ilegal.
For us beginners, it will be great for when so called mercenaries/pvper decide to dec a carebear corp for so cheep and easy kills. In stead of being docked just watching my ship, i can sit in a bar with a pda checking my market orders or paying a card/board games with ppl.
Maybe there could be some combat in incarna because lets face it, dust is gonna fail.
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Rusty Waynne
Caldari
Waynne Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.29 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Originally by: Rusty Waynne
Probably nothing.
Massive waste of time and a missed opportunity IMO.
Once incarna comes out, every expansion after that for years to come will be focused on WiS content and space content will get a backseat.
Incarna will usher in the steady decline of EVE.
Calling it here.
Ain't gonna happen. Frankly Incarna is nothing more than CCP showing off their ****. They have this "Carbon" tech for character simulation that they want to show off. What better way to do that then by implementing it into EvE while at the same time pleasing a large number of players who wouldn't mind seeing their character out of pod.
As sad as it is a lot of people won't play this game because they cannot associate a ship to themselves like they can an actual character with body. My wife refused to play this game until she heard about Incarna. Now she can't wait.
Frankly the hardcore community in EvE really is the minority. Incarna isn't going to hurt EvE...it will grow the population. Make more money for CCP which creates more money for more people to be hired to create more stuff for better expansions.
Let it happen.
Walking in stations isn't going to keep new people subbed to the game.
That's very naive and short sighted.
Incarna will have to have ALOT more than just " Walking and socializing " to keep people around, new and old.
I'm telling you man...it's gonna be a flopper if they don't give it more than mini games and socializing.
" Hai guise! I's walkin in stationz! "
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Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.29 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rusty Waynne
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Originally by: Rusty Waynne
Probably nothing.
Massive waste of time and a missed opportunity IMO.
Once incarna comes out, every expansion after that for years to come will be focused on WiS content and space content will get a backseat.
Incarna will usher in the steady decline of EVE.
Calling it here.
How do you know it won't keep people subbed to the game? Hardly naive or shortsighted at all. In fact its looking at the bigger picture understanding that there are a lot of different types of people out there and some of them might come play EvE after Incarna releases where they wouldn't have played before.
What else do you expect from Incarna anyway? I am sure there will be more than just walking in stations. Maybe new ships or graphical upgrades...we don't know yet but why complain about what we don't know is going to be in it when its still months and months away? A lot can change.
Would landing on a planet and shooting other people be cool with Incarna? Yes...but we know it won't happen. Thats what DUST is for.
Ain't gonna happen. Frankly Incarna is nothing more than CCP showing off their ****. They have this "Carbon" tech for character simulation that they want to show off. What better way to do that then by implementing it into EvE while at the same time pleasing a large number of players who wouldn't mind seeing their character out of pod.
As sad as it is a lot of people won't play this game because they cannot associate a ship to themselves like they can an actual character with body. My wife refused to play this game until she heard about Incarna. Now she can't wait.
Frankly the hardcore community in EvE really is the minority. Incarna isn't going to hurt EvE...it will grow the population. Make more money for CCP which creates more money for more people to be hired to create more stuff for better expansions.
Let it happen.
Walking in stations isn't going to keep new people subbed to the game.
That's very naive and short sighted.
Incarna will have to have ALOT more than just " Walking and socializing " to keep people around, new and old.
I'm telling you man...it's gonna be a flopper if they don't give it more than mini games and socializing.
" Hai guise! I's walkin in stationz! "
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CCP Spitfire
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Posted - 2010.11.29 08:26:00 -
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Offtopic posts removed.
Spitfire
Community Representative
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.11.29 09:04:00 -
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Incarna will be a major desaster, even worse than PI, if CCP is going to ignore all red flags which came up so far.
It is obvious that they need to sit down seriously and think.
What do we have so far (mind you, it is just a few month until summer with the summer expansion): Incarna maybe will have something with 'gambling' but it is not sure if that goes into the first expansion. That will be all, if we are lucky. Oh right, and avatars of unseen quality (hmm, really?), and microtransactions.
Not good enough, by far!
What should be done instead?
First: Major involvement of the interested playerbase. How? Let the CSM crowdsource desired gameplay for incarna, let them do a priority list with player votings specifically about Incarna functionality. And that needs to be done way BEFORE the internal gamedesign begins. If gamedesign started already, then it is already too late.
Second: Lots of public communication between devs/CSM/playerbase and lots of feedback from the devs about the CSM crowdsourcing.
Third: EXCELLENCY! Take your time until you have enough really GOOD and working functionality and only then release it - push it back to winter 2011 if necessary. Nothing is worse than a product people are waiting for since 5+ years, that is promoted hugely and which is then a major disappointment because it is so underwhelming.
My wishlist for Incarna? Lots and really lots of customizable things. And with customizable I don't mean that we just can chose something out of list and that's it. Instead a new level of customization which is unseen anywhere else - captain's quarters, bars, games etc.
But essentially: it needs to be EXCELLENT. And I agree with the op. A bar with a poker table is by far not good enough. Every free browser game has this already these days (more or less). That is not the level of quality I want to see in EVE. It needs to be BETTER. And you can do it CCP, I am sure of that - if you only focus hard enough on it and consult the players/CSM and take them serious.
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Boinz
Caldari
Muffin Munchers
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Posted - 2010.11.29 09:14:00 -
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After infiltrating CCP HQ I managed to work my way into Nathans office.
There in the lofty room I found a lone PC with the username N. Richardsson.
"Blast" I thought to myself "its Password protected". Knowing CCP and their almighty User account security, I knew I only had one shot at this. Slowly reaching towards they Keypad, sweat was dripping down my nostril as my index finger touched "B" next I daringly pressed "E" then "E" again and ending with "R". Now the moment of truth... "Enter"
*Beep*
"Password accepted"
I was in, on the desktop there were folders such as "Top secret megadeathraykilldestroyingmachine", "Second Christmas gift-new learning skills" and the one I was most interested in, "Incarna".
I rushed into the folder and found to my surprise the following information.
Screenshot added:
Originally by: CCP Oveur
Guess what I'm wearing.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2010.11.29 09:51:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Boinz
After infiltrating CCP HQ I managed to work my way into Nathans office.
There in the lofty room I found a lone PC with the username N. Richardsson.
"Blast" I thought to myself "its Password protected". Knowing CCP and their almighty User account security, I knew I only had one shot at this. Slowly reaching towards they Keypad, sweat was dripping down my nostril as my index finger touched "B" next I daringly pressed "E" then "E" again and ending with "R". Now the moment of truth... "Enter"
*Beep*
"Password accepted"
I was in, on the desktop there were folders such as "Top secret megadeathraykilldestroyingmachine", "Second Christmas gift-new learning skills" and the one I was most interested in, "Incarna".
I rushed into the folder and found to my surprise the following information.
Screenshot added:
http://i.imgur.com/dPyoE.png
Image changed to a link. Spitfire
while funny, 1000's of players allready got thier hands on the demo so I'm confused
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.29 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 29/11/2010 11:03:33
Even IF Incarna would only include:
* characters
* clothes
* mini-games
* customizable bars
* offices
(as were shown on the fanfest vid)
I'd already be happy. It would be nice to walk out of ship and meet your in-game friends as characters, not just ships with some vaguish 2D portrait. And I hope the characters will also have gestures, poses, expressions. The character options as used in Clear Skies vids would be perfect, perhaps CCP could take a look at that!
Next to that I hope the offices will have whiteboards that you can actually use, like guildwars has the option to write and draw on the minimap to explain tactical plans. It would make some more technical issues a lot easier to discuss.
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Br41n
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.11.29 11:38:00 -
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I only want to be able to walk around in my ship and say hi to the crew, the rest i dont care about.
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