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Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.11.25 20:03:00 - [1] I'm an ooooold player and when I started playing this game, we podded up hill, without jump bridges. Granted, in my day, we had engine trails and better cyno effects. However, we didn't have things like a "training queue" or "attribute remaps". These changes suck for the following reasons: 1. I'm losing 72 imaginary points per hour that I actually can't train as I was smart on my last remap. I actually planned ahead and was smart about where I allocated my points and therefore my skill training speed for the skills I have plotted out for the rest of the year will remain unchanged. Since I maxed out the two attributes. As an ooooold player, this upsets me as I wanted to come here and complain, but I cant. Please fix this CCP, as a loyal and valued customer I want need something to cry about and I think this would provide for an awesome opportunity. 2. You're dumbing the game down and making it "carebear" online with this catering to the casuals (WHO SAW WHAT I DID THERE?!) of newbies. By making this game accessible to more, you're allowing for less intelligent people (unlike myself as I am superior and spent 5 whole months training ALL my learning skills to MAX TRAINING POWER), who now have what I didn't. This time was WASTED, and now that all that WASTED time getting learning to MAX POWER, I'll have to re allocate those points elsewhere and waste time... on a video game. 3. This only helps new players. I mean, considering my skills now take 30-60 days since I maxed everything else out, re-allocating 5 million SP while the newbies get to learn faster was unfair as I didn't have this when I started. CCP please develop a time machine to rectify this. Please stop all other projects and create a way for these issues to be retroactive for bitter vets as myself. THINK OF THE DIAPER WEARING BITTER VETS WILL YOU!? 4. This change hurts my wallet as I don't invest in industry. PLEASE FIX! So, these new players will be blowing up more ships, which creates market fluctuation. These will eventually drive the demand for ships up putting more isk in those dumb industrial people's pockets. Who cares about those people anyway? I had more to complain about, but this rant I'm on right now has caused my arthritis to act up. I'll let the other bitter vets chime in as I think I've said enough.
Gallians	Posted - 2010.11.25 20:04:00 - [2] You sir, are one bitter vet.
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.11.25 20:06:00 - [3] Originally by: Gallians You sir, are one bitter vet. It's ma'am. Get it right you whipper snapper.
Ejit Amarr STD contractors	Posted - 2010.11.25 20:07:00 - [4] I googled Leraning, thinking it was a real word
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.11.25 20:08:00 - [5] Originally by: Ejit I googled Leraning, thinking it was a real word Damn arthritis!
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Angry Dogs	Posted - 2010.11.25 20:09:00 - [6] I like cake.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.11.25 20:10:00 - [7] Originally by: Zagdul Granted, in my day, we had engine trails and better cyno effects. Made me lol - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2010.11.25 20:11:00 - [8] Originally by: Zagdul 1. I'm losing 72 imaginary points per hour that I actually can't train as I was smart on my last remap. I actually planned ahead and was smart about where I allocated my points and therefore my skill training speed for the skills I have plotted out for the rest of the year will remain unchanged. Since, well, I maxed out the two attributes that effect my training plan. As an ooooold player, this upsets me as I wanted to come here and complain, but I cant. Please fix this CCP, as a loyal and valued customer I want need something to cry about and I think this would provide for an awesome opportunity. Dear Bittertrollvet, Indeed. But you get at least 3 * Rank 1 lvl V 256k SP each and 2 * Rank 3 lvl V 768k SP each = 2,3 million SP free to distribute. So yes, after a little less than 4 years you're worse off. If you trained the other learning skills to max too it's 5,4 million divided by 630k so then it's 8+ years. And all the time you can already enjoy the skills you'd have trained later without the changes.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Foundation	Posted - 2010.11.25 20:13:00 - [9] Originally by: Zagdul bawwwwww Honestly, if you think learning skills made eve advanced, complicated, or smart, and that by removing them it is 'dumbing the game down', then you are probably one of the people who would benefit from the dumbing down of this game.
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.11.25 20:16:00 - [10] Originally by: Terminal Insanity Originally by: Zagdul bawwwwww Honestly, if you think learning skills made eve advanced, complicated, or smart, and that by removing them it is 'dumbing the game down', then you are probably one of the people who would benefit from the dumbing down of this game. Please slow down, your intelligence and wit is to fast for my old brain.

Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.11.25 20:21:00 - [11] My sarcasm detector just exploded.
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.25 20:25:00 - [12] Originally by: Terminal Insanity Originally by: Zagdul LOOOL Honestly, I realize that this thread is in fact a mockery of people complaining about Learning Skill Removal, and that it is smart, and that by removing them it is 'Helping the game', then you are probably one of the people who wouldn't mind not benefiting or loosing anything from the positive change to this game. Fix'ed Read the OP. -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.11.25 20:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Zhim'Fufu My sarcasm detector just exploded. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
000Hunter000 Gallente Industrial Exploits	Posted - 2010.11.25 20:31:00 - [14] I dunno about this change... Sadly it will prolly dumb down the playerbase (and the game in general) even more. Call me an old bitter vet, i don't care. Fact remains that i sucked it up and did the training. I always thought of the learningskills as a sort of buffer, it weeded out the impatient and childish players which impo was a good thing... ________________________________________________
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.11.25 20:36:00 - [15] Originally by: 000Hunter000 Call me an old bitter vet, i don't care. Fact remains that i sucked it up and did the training. I always thought of the learningskills as a sort of buffer, it weeded out the impatient and childish players which impo was a good thing... The task of weeding out or better yet exploiting the weak and impatient should be left to the playerbase and not some makework game mechanic imho. Scams need willing suckers, industry corps need mules and fleets need willing cannon fodder after all.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.11.25 20:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Zhim'Fufu The task of weeding out or better yet exploiting the weak and impatient should be left to the playerbase and not some makework game mechanic imho. Scams need willing suckers, industry corps need mules and fleets need willing cannon fodder after all. That's fine for some (most) parts of the game, but if any of those ADD kids somehow find themselves mining, I bet they'll think their minerals are free and sell them below market value. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.11.25 20:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Zhim'Fufu The task of weeding out or better yet exploiting the weak and impatient should be left to the playerbase and not some makework game mechanic imho. Scams need willing suckers, industry corps need mules and fleets need willing cannon fodder after all. That's fine for some (most) parts of the game, but if any of those ADD kids somehow find themselves mining, I bet they'll think their minerals are free and sell them below market value. This is bad for me and you how?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.11.25 20:58:00 - [18] Originally by: Zhim'Fufu This is bad for me and you how? I don't want the industry side of the game broken by silliness. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Allyson Vannote Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.11.25 21:00:00 - [19] Didn't you guys loose an archon with Cargo expander II's in the lows recently?
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.11.25 21:04:00 - [20] Edited by: Zagdul on 25/11/2010 21:06:47 Originally by: Allyson Vannote Didn't you guys loose an archon with Cargo expander II's in the lows recently? It also had mining drone rigs and get this, large armor repairers. That corp has since been removed.

Artemis Rose Clandestine Vector	Posted - 2010.11.25 21:04:00 - [21] While crying and whining enough will get CCP to change the game for you, the catch is it can't be in the favor of a bittervet. Just that minor change in your tactics, and you will be just a few hundred tear soaked threads from the game you desire!! *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Gravemind GER Caldari Swords OF TYR Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.11.25 21:06:00 - [22] Edited by: Gravemind GER on 25/11/2010 21:06:16 u mad? go back to COAD, generals is mine!
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.11.25 21:06:00 - [23] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Zhim'Fufu This is bad for me and you how? I don't want the industry side of the game broken by silliness. How does selling at under market value hurt the industry? If anything its a boon as your bill of materials will be cheaper so you can glean that extra bit of profit. Or you could just buy it up and put it right back on the market at its 'proper' value netting the difference. Eventually the guy selling at under market will wise up or get targeted and wardecced so the game takes care of itself in that regard. Eve needs more simpletons and sillyness imo. Remember its a sandbox so they are the ones providing us with content to play against after all.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.11.25 21:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Zhim'Fufu How does selling at under market value hurt the industry? If anything its a boon as your bill of materials will be cheaper so you can glean that extra bit of profit. What if you're a miner? - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Jasdemi Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse	Posted - 2010.11.25 21:07:00 - [25] Originally by: Gallians You sir, are one bitter vet. =-=-=-=-= REMOVE LEARNINGS, FFS!
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.25 21:10:00 - [26] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Zhim'Fufu How does selling at under market value hurt the industry? If anything its a boon as your bill of materials will be cheaper so you can glean that extra bit of profit. What if you're a miner? Oh that is an easy one, get a parent or older friend to make an account for you... /Rimshot -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.11.25 21:11:00 - [27] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Zhim'Fufu How does selling at under market value hurt the industry? If anything its a boon as your bill of materials will be cheaper so you can glean that extra bit of profit. What if you're a miner? They can always buy up the underpriced stock and resell it. Most smart miners tend to collect isk as they never lose any ships and should always have enough isk to buy out a random lowball sell order. I mean what else do you have to do when mining than scan the market for deals? And you can fap to furry pron with the other hand so thats not going to be a valid counter argument.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2010.11.25 21:11:00 - [28] Edited by: MotherMoon on 25/11/2010 21:12:18 I've been around 5 years and people have always said that eve was carebear online for some change or another. but then carebears would complain about the game being too hard still a month later and everyone would forgot that they thought eve was for carebears again until the next expansion. edit: Crumplecorn?!?!?!?!?! is that really you? \o/
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.11.25 21:15:00 - [29] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Zhim'Fufu How does selling at under market value hurt the industry? If anything its a boon as your bill of materials will be cheaper so you can glean that extra bit of profit. What if you're a miner? Buy it from them and re-sell it.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.11.25 21:16:00 - [30] Originally by: Zhim'Fufu They can always buy up the underpriced stock and resell it. But then I am a trader. I want to be a miner. Originally by: MotherMoon edit: Crumplecorn?!?!?!?!?! is that really you? \o/ /accent No, I am Crumple le Corn. I travel very farways to meet friendly playerses of EVEgame, yes? - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes



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