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Nomad I
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:12:00 -
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Sreegs posted:
Sreegs wrote:It has come to our attention recently that there are pilots in New Eden engaging in AFK Complex farming. Specific examples of this include such activities as warping into a particular room in a complex, dropping sentry drones, then going to do your laundry or perhaps watch a 24 hour Lazytown marathon. As such our automated systems will continue to detect and institute administrative actions for this activity.
When a pilot in his carrier is staying 24h AFK in an empty plex, it will be a high likelihood that he is experiences a new pod, when he is back behind his PC. He made no substancial ISK, because he sleept or was called by a raging wife.
I don't want to be monitored all the time and fear for my accounts, because the game mechanics CCP designed aren't working as intended.
I'm staying behind the principle that automated tools are very bad, but this is punishing the common player.
- This is excessive monitoring of personal behaviour
- This doesn't makes a difference between automated tools and human behaviour.
When CCP is going this far, that a usual plex runner loses his accounts for choosing an effective method to shoot NPC, it will be bad for the customer relationship.
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Octoven
Four Pillar Production
Dragehund
7
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:13:00 -
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Oooh be careful the big bad scary MOD will lock this thread and move it because its not a general discussion. |
Kisumii
Bio-Tech Research
Luna Sanguinem
114
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:14:00 -
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They are just asking you not to go AFK. Why pay for the game if you arent going to play it? |
Michael Harari
The Hatchery
Team Liquid
189
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:15:00 -
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I dont really see how they can tell if you are afk or not. |
Octoven
Four Pillar Production
Dragehund
7
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:15:00 -
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On a side note I agree with you, CCP needs to tackle more pressing concerns such as bot mining and not worrying if a player is at his keyboard or not while doing a mission. |
Nomad I
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:15:00 -
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Kisumii wrote:They are just asking you not to go AFK. Why pay for the game if you arent going to play it?
I know dozens of mates who started to sleep behind their pc  |
Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe
Defiant Legacy
218
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:17:00 -
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As a drone user, I would be pretty insulted by this.
If you (CCP) don't want people to drop drones and then AFK, perhaps you shoud...gasp...change the way the drones work?
Unless someone is using a macro or autokey or some third party program, as far as I see it they are making use of ONLY game mechanics. Game mechanics YOU created. And you are going to take punitive action against people playing the game you made in a specific way? Hardly seems fair.
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Roxwar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
93
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:18:00 -
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You guys are getting your jimmies rustled for no reason.
This comment by screegs regards certain cosmos missions where you can warp in after DT, drop sentries and basically go AFK for the next 24hrs until DT all the while BS rats keep respawning for your AFK sentries to pop.
Chill out you babies. |
Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
377
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:19:00 -
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aint gonna lie.
i log in, go afk, and post on the forums.
Deal with it.
edit: Play time.... 0 lol. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
418
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:19:00 -
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depends how they define afk. does being tabbed out count as afk? aka just being inactive rather than actually being afk.
Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1675
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:22:00 -
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Based on your words, i can say that you didn't think this through.
If he goes against people who are AFK and let drones do THE PLAYERS WORK,
then he's not monitoring personal behaviour,
he's monitoring personal activity !
behaviour = details of your activity. Whatever you are doing.
activity = You're doing something. Are you actually doing something ?
Indeed, it doesn't make a difference between automated tools and human behaviour,
because there *is* no difference between being afk automatically or personally. :)
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Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
103
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:24:00 -
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Kisumii wrote:They are just asking you not to go AFK. Why pay for the game if you arent going to play it?
I used to play X3, and once I had all my little traders set up, I would activate Time Compression and go AFK for the ingame equivalent of like a year - returning to a big fat wallet to spend on epic space battles.
It spared me the tears of grinding for money while keeping my losses more meaningful than if I had just spawned the money out of nothing.
I dunna why I brought that up, but it seems somehow appropriate... |
Nomad I
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:26:00 -
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The point is, usually a carrier in a plex is a first class target. Everyone loosing his carrier in a plex will be called [bad word]. It's not just silly to change the game mechanics because of potential targets, it's would be a regulation that is not very concrete. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
122
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:27:00 -
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For your info there are plexs in highs sec, cosmos mission sites that DO respawn on timers and you can AFK these all day if you want to and people do. Doing the cosmos missions youd see these guys in there and theres no way to get to the spawn container or the key other than pay these guys overpriced isk for the keys as theyd sit on the respawn points ALL day and just bot the entire thing. Then scream bloody murder as its not "true" botting if you brought it up. So yeah is this a serious issue? Yup you betcha as there are multiple rooms with many BSs that will spawn and its printing isk 24/7. So Im all for this one here.
As for CCP watching clients and accounts.... in some ways I like the idea in others to me its BIG BROTHER. Mostly cuz Im "Eve paranoid" and big bad CCP is out to get me too... along with every other pod pilot in the verse. 
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Nomad I
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:30:00 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:For your info there are plexs in highs sec,
Carriers in highsec? |
Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
103
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:33:00 -
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Ahhh, so this is like parking a Domi in the Azure Chasm and just letting your sentries clean house all day, erry day... Well then, carry on CCP. |
Lexmana
671
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:33:00 -
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Nomad I wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:For your info there are plexs in highs sec, Carriers in highsec?
I think they use Dominixes.
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1675
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:35:00 -
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Sarik Olecar wrote:Kisumii wrote:They are just asking you not to go AFK. Why pay for the game if you arent going to play it? I used to play X3, and once I had all my little traders set up, I would activate Time Compression and go AFK for the ingame equivalent of like a year - returning to a big fat wallet to spend on epic space battles. It spared me the tears of grinding for money while keeping my losses more meaningful than if I had just spawned the money out of nothing. I dunna why I brought that up, but it seems somehow appropriate...
I played X years ago ... think it was the first part ?
Traveling was a huge time eater ... i agree with that.
The difference, though, is that X* is a solo-player-game. Not only doesn't it eat away server-ressources,
you're not gaining an advantage over others by making ISK by being in space but NOT ACTUALLY PLAYING !
Anyway ... your analogy rather sounds like you're hauling stuff and you're AFK while traveling through systems.
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1675
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:36:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Nomad I wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:For your info there are plexs in highs sec, Carriers in highsec? I think they use Dominixes.
Aye.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
4424
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:38:00 -
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Sounds like you're up to something fishy, if you're not doing anything wrong what does it matter if someone is watching?
tbh it doesn't take many braincells to realize that going afk for 24 hours whlie the client earns you isk constantly is not what's intended - and as such you obviously don't want to be monitored if that's what you're doing because you know you're doing something wrong.
While it may be how it was made still it's not hard to figure out if something appears working like it should, it's like an ATM starting to spit out money, takes about 2 sec to know that it's not how it should work so when the police grabs you (assuming you've not made away with the money) you can't really play innocent and blame that you didn't know. We are smarter than that.
/c
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Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
654
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:42:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:As a drone user, I would be pretty insulted by this.
If you (CCP) don't want people to drop drones and then AFK, perhaps you shoud...gasp...change the way the drones work?
Unless someone is using a macro or autokey or some third party program, as far as I see it they are making use of ONLY game mechanics. Game mechanics YOU created. And you are going to take punitive action against people playing the game you made in a specific way? Hardly seems fair.
LMAO! I'm usually wiser then point at the tear buckets but in this case....
CCP just changes their game mechanics so you actually have to PLAY the game.
You know games you do play?
Crying that you cannot go afk while some automated game mechanic does all the work for you, that's really sad.
Maybe the people behind Hulkageddon should point their attention to these AFK mission farming carriers as well. I don't see much difference with AFK miners here.
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Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |
Nomad I
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:42:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Sounds like you're up to something fishy, if you're not doing anything wrong what does it matter if someone is watching?
You like it, when the eve community is watching you while you are in the shower, because you have nothing done wrong? |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians
Tribal Band
103
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:44:00 -
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This quite clearly isn't going to be some **** "if you don't move your mouse every 30 secs you die" crap. More likely, not doing anything while undocked for two full hours gets you popped. And CCP are far more likely just to auto log you off instead of concordokening yo ass.
"The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers."
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
901
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:45:00 -
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Its not done with carriers, its done with Domis and sentry drones. You put remote reps in the Domi's highs, target all the sentries and rr them, and activate the domi's own repper. Then go afk indefinitely.
I think the issue here is the magnitude of the situation. You can do this all day. Even mining afk the hold fills in less than an hour, and the activity stops.
Still Im a little surprised at this ruling as no botting program is in use. I would have thought CCP would just quietly nerf the activity by changing the way complexes work.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
4426
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:49:00 -
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Nomad I wrote:Chribba wrote:Sounds like you're up to something fishy, if you're not doing anything wrong what does it matter if someone is watching?
You like it, when the eve community is watching you while you are in the shower, because you have nothing done wrong?
How does that even apply?
That might be valid is if it's in my rental agreement that I can be monitored in the shower. You watching me showering does not apply one bit unless you are my landlord. In which case I might rethink renting from you.
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Traedar
InterStellar Trading Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:52:00 -
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Nomad I wrote:Sreegs posted: Sreegs wrote:It has come to our attention recently that there are pilots in New Eden engaging in AFK Complex farming. Specific examples of this include such activities as warping into a particular room in a complex, dropping sentry drones, then going to do your laundry or perhaps watch a 24 hour Lazytown marathon. As such our automated systems will continue to detect and institute administrative actions for this activity.
I can't watch LazyTown??? Next you'll tell me not to watch Super Why!
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Nomad I
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:53:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Its not done with carriers, its done with Domis and sentry drones. You put remote reps in the Domi's highs, target all the sentries and rr them, and activate the domi's own repper. Then go afk indefinitely.
I think the issue here is the magnitude of the situation. You can do this all day. Even mining afk the hold fills in less than an hour, and the activity stops.
Still Im a little surprised at this ruling as no botting program is in use. I would have thought CCP would just quietly nerf the activity by changing the way complexes work.
I didn't know that and I don't use drones since the Tengu is in the game because they are so ineffective. But announcing something like your action may be decided to be against our rules, that aren't working as intended, is silly. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1671
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:58:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:I think the issue here is the magnitude of the situation. You can do this all day. Even mining afk the hold fills in less than an hour, and the activity stops.
Exactly.
It's one thing if you're in a Skiff that scoops up a full hold of ore in 30-40 minutes or in an Ishtar that cleans up a 0.0 anomaly (which doesn't respawn NPCs after the last wave) in 30 minutes. It's a COMPLETELY different issue if you're in a Dominix that is keeping its sentries repped and shooting NPCs that continuously respawn, over and over, with absolutely no limit as to how long it sustains itself, anywhere from 10 minutes to DT.
EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Pilna Vcelka
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.08.09 12:59:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Its not done with carriers, its done with Domis and sentry drones. You put remote reps in the Domi's highs, target all the sentries and rr them, and activate the domi's own repper. Then go afk indefinitely.
I wonder how exactly would the scenario change if the player was actually watching the screen for the whole time?? Would you notice a difference? I guess not. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
324
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:00:00 -
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You're all reading this wrong:
"My algorithms detect this as botting. Although it's not, changing that would require I admit to false positives, therefore what the algorithm declares is botting is botting"
it's a game design issue that team security has no business being in, they're just there because they want to keep that "we never have false positives' nonsense from the minutes |
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