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Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2010.11.29 04:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Bomberlocks
What range can one get out of the rockets?
Theoretical max. base range is 9 km, multiplied by 2.25 (1.5^2) for lvl 5 in both Missile Bombardment and Missile Projection.
That gives 20.25 km range, minus a fudge factor for the time it takes the rocket to accelerate. Maybe -5%, -8% or -12%. So say 18 km easily, with maxed skillz, or with skillz of 4/4 you get 15.5 km range (with a -12% fudge factor).
That's assuming the Hawk doesn't have a missile range bonus. I can't be bothered to look that up right now.
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KillerPully
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Posted - 2010.11.29 09:19:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: Bomberlocks
What range can one get out of the rockets?
Theoretical max. base range is 9 km, multiplied by 2.25 (1.5^2) for lvl 5 in both Missile Bombardment and Missile Projection.
That gives 20.25 km range, minus a fudge factor for the time it takes the rocket to accelerate. Maybe -5%, -8% or -12%. So say 18 km easily, with maxed skillz, or with skillz of 4/4 you get 15.5 km range (with a -12% fudge factor).
That's assuming the Hawk doesn't have a missile range bonus. I can't be bothered to look that up right now.
Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to Missile Kinetic Damage per level
Assault Ships Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to Missile Velocity per level
7.5% bonus to Shield Boost Amount per lev
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.29 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: KillerPully
Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to Missile Kinetic Damage per level
Assault Ships Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to Missile Velocity per level
7.5% bonus to Shield Boost Amount per lev
Fix'ed... Soon!
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I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen!
For Great Justice!
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Hybok
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Posted - 2010.11.29 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: Bomberlocks
What range can one get out of the rockets?
Theoretical max. base range is 9 km, multiplied by 2.25 (1.5^2) for lvl 5 in both Missile Bombardment and Missile Projection.
That gives 20.25 km range, minus a fudge factor for the time it takes the rocket to accelerate. Maybe -5%, -8% or -12%. So say 18 km easily, with maxed skillz, or with skillz of 4/4 you get 15.5 km range (with a -12% fudge factor).
That's assuming the Hawk doesn't have a missile range bonus. I can't be bothered to look that up right now.
that 10% missile velocity can be counted as range bonus as well
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Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2010.11.29 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Hybok
that 10% missile velocity can be counted as range bonus as well
Yup.
And that (which I had forgotten about, or never really cared about) truly makes the Hawk to a rocket bird.
Does anyone know exactly how the bonus is factured in? In combination with Bombardment and Projection at maximum skill level, are we talking 1.5^3, or more like (1.5+0.5)*1.5 ?
My money would be on 1.5^3, but it's nice to know for sure.
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Diesel47
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Posted - 2010.11.29 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Diesel47 on 29/11/2010 13:33:28
Originally by: Bomberlocks
Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to Missile Kinetic Damage per level
Assault Ships Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to Missile Velocity per level
7.5% bonus to Shield Boost Amount per lev
Please change to 5% Shield Resistance.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.11.29 14:13:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Diesel47
Edited by: Diesel47 on 29/11/2010 13:33:28
Originally by: Bomberlocks
Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to Missile Kinetic Damage per level
Assault Ships Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to Missile Velocity per level
7.5% bonus to Shield Boost Amount per lev
Please change to 5% Shield Resistance.
Certainly would be nice. I've got a nasty feeling that it might be overpowered though...?
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superteds
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Posted - 2010.11.29 14:53:00 -
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5% per level on top of its already ok resists and nice base shield would probably be a little OP
...never thought i'd call anything related to the hawk 'op'
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.11.29 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: superteds
5% per level on top of its already ok resists and nice base shield would probably be a little OP
The part that sucks is that you are pretty much required to plug that EM hole. Might as well remove the rig slots and just give it an EM bonus.
Hawk will be decent after the patch and worth flying. I have been flying them on Singularity and it is now competitive but it certainly doesn't outshine the other popular AFs. That's a good thing, imo. Hawk will now be a viable choice instead of The One True Assault Frig.
Fix Rockets in '08 '09 2010 2011 2012?! |
Gone Beserk
Minmatar
Gravity Mining and Manufacturing Inc
Scorned Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.29 18:39:00 -
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Dont anyone dare touch the shield boost bonus 
The more i toy around with the hawk the more i love it , have fought evry single AF on test server and evrytime it was either a win or a really close fight.
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Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2010.11.29 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Gone Beserk
Dont anyone dare touch the shield boost bonus
The more i toy around with the hawk the more i love it , have fought evry single AF on test server and evrytime it was either a win or a really close fight.
It's all fun and games until someone brings a nuet.
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Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2010.11.29 21:58:00 -
[42]
Originally by: superteds
5% per level on top of its already ok resists and nice base shield would probably be a little OP
...never thought i'd call anything related to the hawk 'op'
Then give +2.5% per level instead of +5%. The bonus to active tank is stupid and unpopular.'
Or give +1.5 CPU per level?
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Maeltstome
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.11.29 22:44:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: superteds
5% per level on top of its already ok resists and nice base shield would probably be a little OP
...never thought i'd call anything related to the hawk 'op'
Then give +2.5% per level instead of +5%. The bonus to active tank is stupid and unpopular.'
Or give +1.5 CPU per level?
yea, it wasnt good enough for the Caldari, so the minmatar got it instead.
Now CCP insist on putting it on every new tech ship that they create for minmatar.
THERE IS A REASON THE MINMATAR SHIELD SHIPS ARE UNPOPULAR - WE LIKE ARMOR TANKING AND HATE YOU FOR MAKING US THE CRIPPLED COUSINS OF SHIELD TANKING.
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Rian O'Shea
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Posted - 2010.11.29 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Maeltstome
THERE IS A REASON THE MINMATAR SHIELD SHIPS ARE UNPOPULAR - WE LIKE ARMOR TANKING AND HATE YOU FOR MAKING US THE CRIPPLED COUSINS OF SHIELD TANKING.
First of all, speak for yourself. Apart from that, you DO understand WHY Minmatar shield tankers are better than Minmatar armour tankers, right?
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.29 23:44:00 -
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Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 29/11/2010 23:48:14
Originally by: Rian O'Shea
Originally by: Maeltstome
THERE IS A REASON THE MINMATAR SHIELD SHIPS ARE UNPOPULAR - WE LIKE ARMOR TANKING AND HATE YOU FOR MAKING US THE CRIPPLED COUSINS OF SHIELD TANKING.
First of all, speak for yourself. Apart from that, you DO understand WHY Minmatar shield tankers are better than Minmatar armour tankers, right?
NEED FOR SPEED!
Love my Sheild Cane and my MSE Jag.
Soon Vegabond
Edit: And in a month or 2 I will love my new Hawk, I really like the hull.
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I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen!
For Great Justice!
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XxCirke LinexX
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Posted - 2010.11.30 09:22:00 -
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I want this to make the Vengeance happy. :( I don't think that will happen.
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JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.11.30 17:14:00 -
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Do T2 rockets have a jav variant?
If so you could always extend the range using that ammo. Especially now that jav no longer reduces the ships max velocity.
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Cyrus Mierre
The Forsaken Legion
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Posted - 2010.11.30 17:36:00 -
[48]
Originally by: JC Anderson
Do T2 rockets have a jav variant?
If so you could always extend the range using that ammo. Especially now that jav no longer reduces the ships max velocity.
Hehe I got caught out by the wording as well; the removal of the speed hinderance is for Javelin S/M/L (the railgun ammo), not Javelin Rockets
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JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.11.30 20:11:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Cyrus Mierre
Originally by: JC Anderson
Do T2 rockets have a jav variant?
If so you could always extend the range using that ammo. Especially now that jav no longer reduces the ships max velocity.
Hehe I got caught out by the wording as well; the removal of the speed hinderance is for Javelin S/M/L (the railgun ammo), not Javelin Rockets
Ahhhh ok good to know.
Thanks for telling me now before I logged into game and checked jav rockets and torps only to be like, "WTF!"
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