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Anne Alingus
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Posted - 2010.11.27 08:59:00 -
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Could it? Really?
-The Hawk assault frigate has had its bonus to kinetic missile damage changed from 5% to 10%. It also has an additional 2MW added to its powergrid.
-Rockets have had an explosion velocity boost. It means they will inflict more damage on faster moving targets whilst also gaining a straight damage boost through changes to rocket damage and rocket launcher rate of fire.
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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2010.11.27 10:08:00 -
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Edited by: Umega on 27/11/2010 10:09:35
It's going to make things interesting.
[Hawk, Test]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Domination Stasis Webifier
Gistii B-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Corpii C-Type Small Nosferatu
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Expensive for a non-pirate ship, but for theory. Put the potential into perspective.. there is a 6300 ehp, 104 sustained dps tanked (149 with crystals), can perma run everything (including mwd) cap stable with nos, full tackle ship.
Now imagine a frig with those numbers, also hitting 200+ dps (EDIT: 200+ dps that doesn't require tracking). Sounds like fun to me.
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Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2010.11.27 10:48:00 -
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What about a PVE fit?
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.11.27 11:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Umega
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If its for theory, do it right. With pithum med, crystals, blue pill and boosting tengu you can get 1,5k tank.
In reality - you are looking on ship that will do 140/175 kin dps with 2x better dps projection than now, have around 100 dps tank, 6k ehp and 950? m/s on ab. Make your decision if its worth taking out now.
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Anyura
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Posted - 2010.11.27 12:07:00 -
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How would it compare against a Vengeance, given that it's pretty much all I fly these days?
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fuxinos
Caldari
Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2010.11.27 12:18:00 -
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Vengaence will stay bad.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.11.27 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Anyura
How would it compare against a Vengeance, given that it's pretty much all I fly these days?
Vengeance will keep its monster of a tank and get a bit of a dps boost as well. Pretty good ship I imagine.
As for the Hawk, it's getting a substantial dps increase (though only to kinetic) and a small power grid increase.
Ignore the worthless active tank bonus in favour of buffer tanking it and it'll probably be quite workable.
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Captain Nares
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Posted - 2010.11.27 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Nares on 27/11/2010 17:10:02
Hawk will still suck.
Dramiel will still rock.
Nothing will change.
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Meeko Atari
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Posted - 2010.11.27 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Nares
Edited by: Captain Nares on 27/11/2010 17:10:02
Hawk will still suck.
Dramiel will still Run.
Nothing will change.
Fixed it for you 
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Lurana Jade
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.11.27 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Lurana Jade on 27/11/2010 22:13:20
Quote:
It's going to make things interesting.
[Hawk, Test]
(ridiculously expensive fit)
Maybe someone can come up with a decent t2 fit using the whole TWO extra points of grid they so graciously added. 
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superteds
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Posted - 2010.11.27 22:35:00 -
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[Hawk, Rockets]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Damage Control II
Medium Shield Extender II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Small Energy Neutralizer II
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
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neut can be a nos, calefaction could be a ROF rig to make up for not having a BCU but the calefaction will keep your DPS up if you have to swap from kinetic.
(i'd still take a harpy)
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.11.27 23:11:00 -
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That em hole will make every jag pilot you meet happy.
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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2010.11.27 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lurana Jade
Edited by: Lurana Jade on 27/11/2010 22:13:20
Quote:
It's going to make things interesting.
[Hawk, Test]
(ridiculously expensive fit)
Maybe someone can come up with a decent t2 fit using the whole TWO extra points of grid they so graciously added.
Agreed, it is stupidly expensive. How about this..
[Hawk, Test-2]
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Medium Clarity Ward Booster I
Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 150
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Small 'Knave' I Energy Drain
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
6300 ehp, unknown dps, 4+ min cap wit everything running (can go stable wit AB off/nos on, good frig cargohold for booster supply), about 126 dps tank, slow. Just barely made that thing fit with lvl 5 skills, no extra implant bonuses needed. I can't bring myself to make a hawk buffer fit.. I figure if someone wants a buffer fit rocket pooper, fly a vengence or hookbill. Active fit has its uses in other areas, like a cruiser killer.
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Captain Nares
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Posted - 2010.11.27 23:36:00 -
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Don't adapt = die.
Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
That em hole will make every jag pilot you meet happy.
2 T2 EM rigs will give a full 60% EM resist!!111
Don't adapt = die.
Adapt = die anyway.
But slower
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superteds
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Posted - 2010.11.27 23:44:00 -
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meh t2 EM rig works but it costs the same as the hull, and someone asked for a cheapish fit. depending on how much the DPS is boosted with incursion you could drop the missile rig for another anti-em
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.11.27 23:57:00 -
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Ah, two EM T1 rigs and a DC takes your EM resist to a smidgeon below that of explosive, it's not too shabby. As for the 2 PG (what not CPU???), erm, I think it lets you fit this:
[Hawk, Rocket MSE MWD]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
[empty high slot]
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
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Von Kroll
Caldari
Kroll's Legion
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Posted - 2010.11.28 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
Ah, two EM T1 rigs and a DC takes your EM resist to a smidgeon below that of explosive, it's not too shabby. As for the 2 PG (what not CPU???), erm, I think it lets you fit this:
[Hawk, Rocket MSE MWD]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
[empty high slot]
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
That'll still require AWU 5, unfortunately...
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.28 13:33:00 -
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I thought about this fit.
4x Rocket Launcher II's
1x NOS II
1x Small Sheild Booster II
1x Initiated Warp Scram
1x X5 Stasis Web
1x Afterburner II
1x PSE DCU
1x BCU II
1x EM Rig
1x Polycarb
I don't know much about Active Tanked Frigs and might do the Double EM thing. But I might train it up, always loved the Merlin Hull.
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fr0gout
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Posted - 2010.11.28 14:18:00 -
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The Hawk has always been the best AF since it has the highest sensor strength (It has the least chance to automatically lose)
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.11.28 14:25:00 -
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I'm pretty sure the Hawk will become much better than it currently is, but it'll still be a pain to fit. Some things that I'm not too sure about are:
- Active tanking on a small ship. In a 1v1 this might work well, IF you have a Nos or a cap booster. Fitting a Nos means gimping the rest of your fit.
- 2 EM rigs. While this gives you decent EM resistance and is good against lasers, against AC ships fitting Phased Plasma it doesn't help much. Might be an idea to put in a thermal or a cdfe instead.
I think the buffer fit looks good, and the ability to use a MWD due to the fact that you don't need to manoeuvre under scram is pretty neat as well.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.11.28 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: fr0gout
The Hawk has always been the best AF since it has the highest sensor strength (It has the least chance to automatically lose)
Thats stupid.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.11.28 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Bomberlocks
- 2 EM rigs. While this gives you decent EM resistance and is good against lasers, against AC ships fitting Phased Plasma it doesn't help much. Might be an idea to put in a thermal or a cdfe instead.
Er, T2 resists. If your opponent is shooting Phased Plasma at your Hawk, then your most pressing issue is probably keeping yourself from laughing. 
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2010.11.28 15:22:00 -
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Yeah, Hawk has what, 80% base thermal resists?
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fr0gout
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Posted - 2010.11.28 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Originally by: fr0gout
The Hawk has always been the best AF since it has the highest sensor strength (It has the least chance to automatically lose)
Thats stupid.
It's the truth.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.11.28 16:01:00 -
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Using rf pp vs hawk is as good idea as using thorn rockets vs ishkur or rf fusion vs vengeance. |
Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2010.11.28 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jojo Jackson on 28/11/2010 20:44:38
Edited by: Jojo Jackson on 28/11/2010 20:40:53
[Hawk]
Ballistic Control System II
Internal Force Field Array I
1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Scrambler II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Prospector Magnetic Scattering Amplifier
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Small Energy Neutralizer II
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I
Arbalest Rocketlauncher might be more expensive then the named stuff I used. And with the change to close combat T2 amunition it might be better to stay with T2 launcher. (yes, I know, I used wrong amu, to lazy to change).
221/225 CPU, ~45/~52 power (CPU is the bigger problem).
EM ~65%, EXP ~69% resistences.
Stable without NEUT active (maybe change it with NOS but then again a CPU problem).
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.29 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: fr0gout
The Hawk has always been the best AF since it has the highest sensor strength (It has the least chance to automatically lose)
Gee, if that were true then why did NO ONE fly them? ECM buthurt detected.
But rly, Hawk needs a bit more CPU as people have stated.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.11.29 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: Bomberlocks
- 2 EM rigs. While this gives you decent EM resistance and is good against lasers, against AC ships fitting Phased Plasma it doesn't help much. Might be an idea to put in a thermal or a cdfe instead.
Er, T2 resists. If your opponent is shooting Phased Plasma at your Hawk, then your most pressing issue is probably keeping yourself from laughing.
Sorry, you're absolutely right. I must admit, I've never actually come across a Hawk in Minnie/Amarr FW before. I just looked it up and saw that thermal is actually its highest resist. Even the explosive, at 60%, is pretty good. With those resists and that tank, it's going to be a difficult ship to kill. What range can one get out of the rockets?
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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2010.11.29 01:18:00 -
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Edited by: Umega on 29/11/2010 01:22:16
Originally by: Bomberlocks
Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: Bomberlocks
- 2 EM rigs. While this gives you decent EM resistance and is good against lasers, against AC ships fitting Phased Plasma it doesn't help much. Might be an idea to put in a thermal or a cdfe instead.
Er, T2 resists. If your opponent is shooting Phased Plasma at your Hawk, then your most pressing issue is probably keeping yourself from laughing.
Sorry, you're absolutely right. I must admit, I've never actually come across a Hawk in Minnie/Amarr FW before. I just looked it up and saw that thermal is actually its highest resist. Even the explosive, at 60%, is pretty good. With those resists and that tank, it's going to be a difficult ship to kill. What range can one get out of the rockets?
Unless they change that part of the mechanic too.. I believe it'll get around 15km with max skills, but don't quote me on that. So quite decent for small weapons system that is also uneffected by falloff/tracking penality.
EDIT: I also agree it is a ***** to fit cause of its CPU. Its going to be a good ship come tuesday.. but it's still slow and it'll take a quality skill set to fit one even half decently, its not forgiving in that realm like some ships can be.
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Maeltstome
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.11.29 03:55:00 -
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missiles 'range' doesnt always live up to be waht is says, the combination of the ships moving and missile not traveling instantaneously end up with a much shorter effective range.
The harpy is still going to be a fat litte sh*t with close range weapons that people will either win against or disengage from.
Rail harpy on the other hand is an interceptors/dramiels nightmare. Double Optibonus = close range ammo at long range and no tracking loss fitting 'spike'.
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