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Phyei T.R.I.A.D	Posted - 2010.11.28 13:20:00 - [1] I fully intend to jump into one of these as-soon as they hit my local market, though I was wondering if any industrialists who have experienced the adding of news ships before - what should I be expecting to pay on day one? Also, how long will it take for the first batch to be made after the patch goes live?
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.28 13:24:00 - [2] I hear that in minerals they cost similar to a Tear 2 Battlecruiser. They should be on the market in less then 24 hours when the Cov Ops start arriving in Jita. There will be a slight mark up for the first 2 days but after the first 24 hours I would not expect to see them above 60mil. IMO of course, free market is fun. -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.28 13:46:00 - [3] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Tear 2 Battlecruiser :tehee: Is that a new "griefer-manhandled carebearmobile" model ? But yeah, a Noctis' build cost is similar to that of a tier 2 BC, so I fully expect prices to reach similar levels soon enough. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.28 13:56:00 - [4] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Alara IonStorm Tear 2 Battlecruiser :tehee: Is that a new "griefer-manhandled carebearmobile" model ? But yeah, a Noctis' build cost is similar to that of a tier 2 BC, so I fully expect prices to reach similar levels soon enough. Because I cry when I compare there cost vs use to any other ship class and realize I am playing Teir 2 Battlecruisers Online. -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Saju Somtaaw Gallente Department of Defence Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2010.11.28 14:00:00 - [5] Using mineral prices about 3 days old with the BPO being ME0 and not having Production Efficency(IE the numbers listed in the pic for it in the dev blog that introduced it) I get a build cost of around 42.3M ---- --- ---
Captain Megadeath	Posted - 2010.11.28 14:14:00 - [6] Originally by: Saju Somtaaw Using mineral prices about 3 days old with the BPO being ME0 and not having Production Efficency(IE the numbers listed in the pic for it in the dev blog that introduced it) I get a build cost of around 42.3M Indeed. Using todays prices I get 42,469,672ISK. So I would expect the price (when stable after the initial crazy prices) to be anything from 45mill per unit to 20mill from the MIMIF (Minerals I mine is free) lobby. Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails my name actually is short for catherine Yeah, Katie Door perhaps...... lol
Farrisen Caldari Cerbian Cerbian Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.28 14:23:00 - [7] 2 days? I don't think the prices will be anywhere near 60 mil the first week. (obviously i mean that the price will be higher) Alltough this mostly depends on how many BPO's that get past the bubbles :)
Cozmik R5 Minmatar Mobile Alcohol Processing Units Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2010.11.28 14:28:00 - [8] Expensive high-end salvagers... Mmmm, I smell gank bait ____________________ Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.11.28 14:42:00 - [9] Somewhere between not much and "HOLY ****!" --Vel
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2010.11.28 14:51:00 - [10] A rough estimation is between 1 Million ISK and 100 Trillion ISK. If we take the median we can assume the price will be 50 Trillion per unit. Math, it's your friend! ______________________________

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.11.28 15:08:00 - [11] Who will build the first ever... Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Phyei T.R.I.A.D	Posted - 2010.11.28 15:11:00 - [12] Is it sad that I'm really, really looking forward to flying it? :p
Cozmik R5 Minmatar Mobile Alcohol Processing Units Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2010.11.28 15:13:00 - [13] Originally by: Phyei Is it sad that I'm really, really looking forward to flying it? :p Yes it is ____________________ Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
Saju Somtaaw Gallente Department of Defence Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2010.11.28 15:16:00 - [14] I've already got a cov-ops out in Cloud Ring to pick up the BPO and some skill books. As for bubbles I went though one on the way out without them finding or getting even close to me ---- --- ---
Jackie Fisher Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate	Posted - 2010.11.28 15:36:00 - [15] Originally by: Saju Somtaaw I've already got a cov-ops out in Cloud Ring to pick up the BPO and some skill books. Skill books will be available in Empire. Joint Venture Conglomerate
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2010.11.28 16:28:00 - [16] Originally by: Chribba Who will build the first ever... And who will be the first to pay 10x times its worth. The Real Space Initiative - V6 (Forum Link)

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.11.28 16:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Originally by: Chribba Who will build the first ever... And who will be the first to pay 10x times its worth. Judging by my past purchases - probably me haha Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Gelanone	Posted - 2010.11.28 18:07:00 - [18] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Adunh Slavy Originally by: Chribba Who will build the first ever... And who will be the first to pay 10x times its worth. Judging by my past purchases - probably me haha Assuming i can actually get past the blockade with a BPO, i'd sell you one for cheap .... afterall, being able to use a slogan like "Official Supplier of Noctis to Chribba" should be worth quite abit :P
alucard55	Posted - 2010.11.28 18:36:00 - [19] I tried to find a BPO on SiSi but couldnt. According to the Patch notes they are seeded at ORE stations there, but I cant find them. Im right now in 4C-B7X and am looking at the region in the market. No sell orders .. what am I doing wrong?
Captain Megadeath	Posted - 2010.11.28 18:55:00 - [20] Originally by: alucard55 I tried to find a BPO on SiSi but couldnt. According to the Patch notes they are seeded at ORE stations there, but I cant find them. Im right now in 4C-B7X and am looking at the region in the market. No sell orders .. what am I doing wrong? On Sisi, Redeem Item (the little gift icon on character selection screen or in the esc menu), you will be given a Noctis BPO, 10 Noctis and the skillbook. Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails my name actually is short for catherine Yeah, Katie Door perhaps...... lol
alucard55	Posted - 2010.11.28 19:05:00 - [21] thx a lot :)
Jason1138	Posted - 2010.11.28 19:07:00 - [22] there's been a guy in ships channel pre-booking them for 65 million for about 3 days now, for whatever that's worth
Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.28 22:29:00 - [23] Originally by: Phyei I fully intend to jump into one of these as-soon as they hit my local market, though I was wondering if any industrialists who have experienced the adding of news ships before - what should I be expecting to pay on day one? Also, how long will it take for the first batch to be made after the patch goes live? I estimate it will take 2.5 hours for the first Noctis to appear in Jita. Building with an M.E. 0 BPO: 3,684,351 Tritanium @ 2.20 ISK = 8,105,572.20 ISK 1,029,647 Pyerite @ 3.90 ISK = 4,015,623.30 ISK 304,630 Mexallon @ 30.14 ISK = 9,181,548.20 ISK 55,784 Isogen @ 62.50 ISK = 3,486,500.00 ISK 27,093 Nocxium @ 338.99 ISK = 9,184,256.07 ISK 3,782 Zydrine @ 1,094.75 ISK = 4,140,344.50 ISK 1,738 Megacyte @ 2994.15 ISK = 5,203,832.70 ISK Total Mineral Cost = 43,317,676.97 ISK So I expect the first Noctis will cost at least 85 million, maybe 100 million. The first Noctis kill will be shortly after that first Noctis un-docks.
Cozmik R5 Minmatar Mobile Alcohol Processing Units Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2010.11.28 23:20:00 - [24] Just did a gank test on Sisi. Insurance pays 24m ISK basic, so yeah, they will not be cheap. And yes, they will die horribly ____________________ Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.11.29 04:02:00 - [25] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Because I cry when I compare there cost vs use to any other ship class and realize I am playing Teir 2 Battlecruisers Online. I dunno man, according to the all-powerful killboard, dramiels are only 270,000 isk
Fried'chickenisha	Posted - 2010.11.29 06:15:00 - [26] Ill use my destoyer until the price goes down and people get sick of ganking them.
Zan Altier	Posted - 2010.11.29 10:24:00 - [27] A friend tells me that you will only be able to get the bpo for this bpo in null sec. Will these bpo's be in specific corporation stations? If so, which ones?
Life Tap	Posted - 2010.11.29 10:26:00 - [28] these bpo's will only be avalible in ore stations in outer ring and i would expect these to be silly prices in first 24 to 48 hrs over 100m because people will pay to get them
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.11.29 10:35:00 - [29] it will not take long for them to appear in Jita for close to NPC price, as people get ganked on the way out etc.... and ORE space residents ship them in .... -- Join BIG
Life Tap	Posted - 2010.11.29 10:38:00 - [30] there is no npc price as to speak the price will be set by people building it. the prices will start off high and then slowly drop to a stable price
Rian O'Shea	Posted - 2010.11.29 10:38:00 - [31] It's not like you'll be able to use the ship really because they'll get ganked a bit in the beginning. Wait it out for a week, then buy it at less inflated prices.
Carniflex StarHunt R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.11.29 12:10:00 - [32] First will be probably built in the same ORE system in a POS just for bragging rights as being the first one to build one. And then the same guy will blow it up with his alt and claim to be the first one to have ganked one of those. About hour later they will start appearing in Jita, first one most likely around 1 bil and then rapidly dropping to the 100 mil area and few days later you can get dozen for ~35 to 40 mil a piece. BPO's will hold the price slightly longer but will drop within a week to the NPC price + 5 .. 10 %. Business as usual.
Zan Altier	Posted - 2010.11.29 12:35:00 - [33] What do you guys mean "they'll get ganked"? Will ppl blow them up even in high sec?
Zan Altier	Posted - 2010.11.29 12:40:00 - [34] What do you guys mean "they'll get ganked"? Will ppl blow them up even in high sec?
knobber Jobbler Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.29 12:58:00 - [35] Originally by: Cozmik R5 Just did a gank test on Sisi. Insurance pays 24m ISK basic, so yeah, they will not be cheap. And yes, they will die horribly So probably similar in cost to a Tier 2 T1 BC? I think a Hurricane loss pays out that amount or near enough at the moment.
Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2010.11.29 13:13:00 - [36] Originally by: Zan Altier What do you guys mean "they'll get ganked"? Will ppl blow them up even in high sec? Yep. There's people who want to have every possible ship on their gank list.
Javajunky	Posted - 2010.11.29 15:03:00 - [37] Are these dropping tomorrow or will they be part of a follow on update?
Blackbobo	Posted - 2010.11.29 15:49:00 - [38] They are dropping tomorrow, BPO is going to be 380 mil
Mike TheMiner	Posted - 2010.11.29 15:51:00 - [39] Where exactly are they dropping ? Just in the two stations in outer ring ?
rootimus maximus Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.11.29 16:23:00 - [40] Originally by: Jackie Fisher Originally by: Saju Somtaaw I've already got a cov-ops out in Cloud Ring to pick up the BPO and some skill books. Skill books will be available in Empire. The dev blog says otherwise. Do you have a source, or are you just trying to deter competitors from risking the inevitable gatecamps?
OverIke Melnie Vanagi	Posted - 2010.11.29 16:28:00 - [41] Edited by: OverIke on 29/11/2010 16:28:12 Originally by: rootimus maximus The dev blog says otherwise. Do you have a source, or are you just trying to deter competitors from risking the inevitable gatecamps? http://www.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp Quote: # Blueprint Originals for the Noctis can now be purchased from Outer Ring Excavations stations. # The new ORE Industrial skill book, required to pilot the Noctis, can now be purchased from school stations everywhere.
Rek Seven	Posted - 2010.11.29 16:39:00 - [42] how much will the bpo's be in the ORE stations?
T3RMi3	Posted - 2010.11.30 20:12:00 - [43] Edited by: T3RMi3 on 30/11/2010 20:13:54 Edited by: T3RMi3 on 30/11/2010 20:13:17 The first one I saw was on Motsu at 250mil and it sold out 1min later. The second one was at 219mil and sold again 1min after it hit the market! I am not getting one until the price drops at around 50 mil or so...
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.11.30 20:16:00 - [44] Originally by: T3RMi3 Edited by: T3RMi3 on 30/11/2010 20:13:54 Edited by: T3RMi3 on 30/11/2010 20:13:17 The first one I saw was on Motsu at 250mil and it sold out 1min later. The second one was at 219mil and sold again 1min after it hit the market! I am not getting one until the price drops at around 50 mil or so... One popped up for 160 mil in amarr but was gone the next refresh so I imagine you won't have too long to wait.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.30 20:17:00 - [45] Originally by: T3RMi3 I am not getting one until the price drops at around 50 mil or so... What?! Waiting until Saturday? Are you insane!? My poor corpmates bought some ù no idea when they'll even dare take them outside the station. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
CHOKTARIAN	Posted - 2010.11.30 20:19:00 - [46] Originally by: Rian O'Shea It's not like you'll be able to use the ship really because they'll get ganked a bit in the beginning. Wait it out for a week, then buy it at less inflated prices. I like this guys idea ..
CHOKTARIAN	Posted - 2010.11.30 20:22:00 - [47] BTW its a sad commentary on the players in the game that to be the first for a stupid ship that has no combat capabilities .. to pay a crapload of isk for a salvager .. laugh laugh even more. For the problems that we have had in the past with Eve they should of had a trade in program to get rid of the damn useless primae
FlameGlow Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.30 20:31:00 - [48] Edited by: FlameGlow on 30/11/2010 20:34:20 Originally by: Rek Seven how much will the bpo's be in the ORE stations? BPOs are at 390kk from NPCs in outer ring but today in jita they were bought instantly for over double that price Ppl made a nice profit from getting carriers or whatever into ore station before patch not all of them made it back though - http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/4C-B7X 900+ kill in 24 hours
Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2010.11.30 20:52:00 - [49] Price in Jita: 175 million a piece and rapidly dropping ...
Miss Jools	Posted - 2010.12.01 14:15:00 - [50] Edited by: Miss Jools on 01/12/2010 14:17:30 Headed to 4c 2 hours before DT, and found some 60 neutrals in local. Chat was like Jita, with all people anticipating the patch, and declaring this a "Noctis day". Warped to one of the ore stations in mu nullified cloaky T3, only to find myself decloaked by the bloody moon :/ Scared the hell out of me, warped off quickly. 2nd station was better, and docked. Being confident, I undocked, speeded up and make an insta 190k from the undock, knowing that bubbles wouldn't catch me :P DT hit, 30 mins extended, and used the eve server status website to preload the patch, ready to go. When the servers went back up, I logged on, applied the "warp to" patch and logged in, expecting to be one of the first. But noooooooooo, there was already 40 people in local.. Bummer !!!! Hit market button, Search Noctis Blueprint, BUY !!!! YAY, I got 12 !! Wohooo WTF, they're not in my hangar ! OMFG, I bought then in the OTHER station! Goddamn, undock, insta warp (zillions of bubbles up, don't care. Dock in other station, scoop, and wait for others to undock so I would be one of many. That worked :) Undocked, aligned out, and never was targetted before I hit warp. From there it was easy. Nullified T3 cruisers don't bother about drag bubbles. Sold : 9 PBO's for 10% markup to alliance Sold : 3 BPO's for 100M profit each (490M) Total profit is about 650M for an afternoon of fun, good enough for me :) ME5 bpo ships will cost about 35M each, I expect the ship price to stabalize around 40M.
Cyrus Doul Infinite Covenant	Posted - 2010.12.01 15:20:00 - [51] Yeah guys in my alliance are trying to sell them for 150 or so in period basis. My corp got a pair of prints too and are making them for corp at 55 cause we aren't SFEP jerkwads justifying ripping off our own people "because that's what jita has them priced at."
Tel'cie	Posted - 2010.12.01 16:56:00 - [52] They're about 120m in Amarr, also on ganking - lots of them were coming out of the station yesterday and no one was bothering to attack them.
Michelle Vega	Posted - 2010.12.01 17:34:00 - [53] People with T3's and their covops and their nullifiers dont have to worry about getting ganked while picking up thousandsa of bpo's. Tash-Murkon prime had 20k bpo's for 1m each and I am sure Jita folk bought most of them. Everyone simply builds their own. The noctis hasn't brought any real profit to anyone. Thanks to t3 'I win eve' ships.

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