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Hyveres Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.01 17:45:00 - [91] Edited by: Hyveres on 01/12/2010 17:45:11 Edited by: Hyveres on 01/12/2010 17:44:52 hmms not a good way of avoiding the problem "Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound
Calfis	Posted - 2010.12.01 17:52:00 - [92] Originally by: Motamiter Edited by: Motamiter on 01/12/2010 05:44:42 So you guys quitted to a NPC corp due to miners actually brought too much heat for you guys to take in the past? If not, I don't see why you'd take it as an insult to your play-style I think he takes offense at your throwing of rocks from a glass house. Also I like the idea of defense guns on mining barges, so long as their balanced and you have a give and take just like everything else in eve, i.e. you have to give up turret slots you would use for strip miners to fit the weapons giving your barge gank but less ore per cycle.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion	Posted - 2010.12.01 18:42:00 - [93] Remember op. CCP Admins are KIRA! Even if you use an alt acount or trial account there is something called an IP address, which can be sherlock holmesd back to your main, resulting in bannination. Here are some tips to avoid hulkageddon. There are over 7500 systems in eve online. YOU ALL dont have to mine in 1 system! Abudban id not the only system to mine in same with Teonosude. Spread out a little bit. Oh and DONT AFK MINE, this is why hulkageddon exists.
Jeannaqua Spank A Gank	Posted - 2010.12.01 19:05:00 - [94] Edited by: Jeannaqua on 01/12/2010 19:05:28 Can we say "snowed" Hulkageddon exists to make "someone" a profit, weather it be rewards for participation or gaming the market, "someone" is getting paid.
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2010.12.01 20:33:00 - [95] Talk to an agent, do mission, shoot rats, mine roids The Real Space Initiative - V6 (Forum Link)
Suiginryou Hitaiga Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.01 23:49:00 - [96] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Remember op. CCP Admins are KIRA! Even if you use an alt acount or trial account there is something called an IP address, which can be sherlock holmesd back to your main, resulting in bannination. Implying it's a bannable issue. Both GM and a Dev said that RECYCLING (meaning create-use-delete circle of life) characters can be considered an exploit. My method lacks the latter stage - deletion. Therefore, no deleted chars = no exploit.
Mella Elcus	Posted - 2010.12.02 00:42:00 - [97] Originally by: Suiginryou Hitaiga Implying it's a bannable issue. Both GM and a Dev said that RECYCLING (meaning create-use-delete circle of life) characters can be considered an exploit. My method lacks the latter stage - deletion. Therefore, no deleted chars = no exploit. Still, preloading concord = exploit. Also, even if it might not be bannable, by using a trial account and letting it expire you are technically "exploiting" the trial account to avoid security loss.
Troggor	Posted - 2010.12.02 01:08:00 - [98] IN that case everyone that does the event needs to be banned as they all recycle alts.. while claiming to be Ilite pvpers... yes misspelled on purpose as IQ level of said people is about at snail level.
Cole Y0unger Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.12.02 03:05:00 - [99] Ok if ya have to mine during the event, it's really this simple. 1. TANK your HULK 2. TANK your HULK 3. Dont mine on warp-in point/ at the top belt 4. WATCH LOCAL/find a local off the beaten path, last time I mined with my alt with absolute imunity. 5. Plan B Mine your Arses off until event stockpile mins, or just park the frikin barge 6. TANK your HULK!!! My tanked hulk has survived a 6 man thrasher suicide squad Oh TANK your HULK!!!! Plan C join in on the fun, I will be this year
Joe McAlt	Posted - 2010.12.02 03:33:00 - [100] I'll be stockpiling all of the ore I mine from now until about jan 15th. Then Ill go back to grinding my status with my station to lower their refining take. I am very much looking foreward to selling this load once the price of ore climbs. You see, not all miners are against hulkageddon

Calfis	Posted - 2010.12.02 15:22:00 - [101] Originally by: Troggor IN that case everyone that does the event needs to be banned as they all recycle alts.. while claiming to be Ilite pvpers... yes misspelled on purpose as IQ level of said people is about at snail level. You mad brah?
Suiginryou Hitaiga Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.02 15:31:00 - [102] Edited by: Suiginryou Hitaiga on 02/12/2010 15:32:29 Originally by: Mella Elcus Still, preloading concord = exploit. No, just protection. A little non-conventional, but completely legal, according to both EULA and commentaries of GM and Devs. Originally by: Mella Elcus Also, even if it might not be bannable, by using a trial account and letting it expire you are technically "exploiting" the trial account to avoid security loss. Nope. You mistake inaction for premeditation. An analogy: let's say someone fell off the cliff and died. If it was my doing (physically or mentally), then I'm a criminal. If that person jumped on its own, I can't be held responsible, even if I saw it coming and actually dug up the wall blocking the way, for my own reasons. tl;dr: One can't be held responsible for inaction.
Anachronic	Posted - 2010.12.02 17:55:00 - [103] Originally by: Suiginryou Hitaiga Edited by: Suiginryou Hitaiga on 02/12/2010 15:32:29 Originally by: Mella Elcus Still, preloading concord = exploit. No, just protection. A little non-conventional, but completely legal, according to both EULA and commentaries of GM and Devs. Originally by: Mella Elcus Also, even if it might not be bannable, by using a trial account and letting it expire you are technically "exploiting" the trial account to avoid security loss. Nope. You mistake inaction for premeditation. An analogy: let's say someone fell off the cliff and died. If it was my doing (physically or mentally), then I'm a criminal. If that person jumped on its own, I can't be held responsible, even if I saw it coming and actually dug up the wall blocking the way, for my own reasons. tl;dr: One can't be held responsible for inaction. If you are talking just eve, then true you might not get punished for inaction, but don't use a real life example regarding inaction, as there are laws in place that allow for punishment of someone who choose not to act in certain situations. Anyway...You're still awful at this. I can't wait to see the forum rage when someone tries this, gets petitioned and banned all because of this garbage. The way to survive hulkageddon is to fly smart, not to make the NPC's do your work for you ---------------------------- Outta my way...
Deladian Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.12.02 20:43:00 - [104] Originally by: Spruillo Edited by: Spruillo on 29/11/2010 02:43:45 Just scan down a hisec w-space entrance goto w-space with all your miner buddies and find the nearest grav site and go to town its super safe if you dont believe me just go and look at local theres like NOBODY ever and if some1 came in and suicide ganked you theyd like loose their prober and not find away out so it doesnt happen much I for one support this, please all flock to wh space where its nice and safe..
Suiginryou Hitaiga Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.03 00:35:00 - [105] Originally by: Deladian Originally by: Spruillo Edited by: Spruillo on 29/11/2010 02:43:45 Just scan down a hisec w-space entrance goto w-space with all your miner buddies and find the nearest grav site and go to town its super safe if you dont believe me just go and look at local theres like NOBODY ever and if some1 came in and suicide ganked you theyd like loose their prober and not find away out so it doesnt happen much I for one support this, please all flock to wh space where its nice and safe.. Doable. I'm considering the option now. The general problem of it is that you either start a pos or you don't set up an operation in wh-space at all. Which requires a corporation. I have a few ideas about, so to say, a mining guild, but it's still too early to announce anything.
Gabriel Cane Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.12.03 01:55:00 - [106] Forget mining Forget tanking your exhumer/mining barge Get into an interceptor throw a sebo or two on it have a friend/alt remote sebo you and sit at the inside of the gate to a major mining system and pop red eggs. Who knows you just might make a few bucks for killing and you just might discover that you like it. Worse come to worse at least you will get to know the orca alts that the red eggs use to bring in the dessies. If your pocket book can afford it and have a few corpmates handy ... suicide the orca. STOP AVOIDING HULKAGEDDON its in game because folks find it fun to do, but also stop playing by their rules and make up your own sandbox anyone.
Olusegun Obasanjo Minmatar CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA	Posted - 2010.12.03 02:30:00 - [107] my tempest is amused
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.03 02:38:00 - [108] Originally by: Olusegun Obasanjo my tempest is amused My Tempest is not amused and rules England. -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.12.03 09:58:00 - [109] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Originally by: Olusegun Obasanjo my tempest is amused My Tempest is not amused and rules England. Do you work for FIFA by any chance? Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2010.12.03 10:08:00 - [110] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 29/11/2010 07:10:00 Yeah that was deemed an exploit, they use game mechanics to their advange without cheating so do the same. 9 real tips to survive Hulkageddon. 1. Don't go AFK for too Long, read a book or use the ingame browser if you are bored. Never go AFK at a gate. 2. Mine in a Grav Belt. They will last you a while and are often not worth the effort to scan down. 3 Warp into a Belt and bookmark a roid away from the Warp In point, this will give you advance warning in 99% of situations. 4. Don't mine in Hubs, an out of the way system means less time on the Radar. 5. Watch Local for flashy reds, keep to a system where all of Local is showing. If you glance over and see some reds, warp and dock. There is always a chance this will save you. 6. if you are worried about being Ganked at a Station, make an Instant Undock bookmark past 150km ahead of the undock point. This will allow you to instantly warp out to the bookmark. 7. Buffer Tank your Hulks, it greatly increases your chances. Instead of Perma tanking rats AFK, manually launch Drones and pull them in when rats are dead. 8. Don't bunch up in Mining Ops this encourages smart bombs, use Tractors to bring in cans to the Haulers. Try to stay 10km apart at least. 9. Most gankers are etheir fail or looking for easy ganks and don't use advance tactics to locate you. Just ramember there are good ones so there is a small chance you will loose a ship. Don't fly what you can not afford to loose and you should make that the loss back in no time. Pr0 tip the Coveter can mine near as much as a Hulk and are insurable. Use them and with above strategies and Hulkageddon will roll off your back. Useful advice on C&P... It happens Not mining during Hulkageddon is the surest way to keep your miner from getting ganked - but - if you are going to mine - this is some good, solid advice. I think the OP means well but ... relying on some unproven trick that could possibly get you banned ... is not the best thing to do. Other advice ... such as going into worm hole space ... yeah ... right ... Go Into 0.0 space where there IS no Concord and the gankers don't even take a security hit - where you can't even look at local to see how many people are in your system ... As to War Deccing the corporations the Gankers are in ... welll ... no. Having a bunch of carebears war dec pirate corporations is not the brightest move you could make - those war dec's working both ways ... Now - what was done that worked to some degree - was what TeddyBearFTW organized against the Goons - using all that money the miners chipped in he hired mercs. Now - THAT - might work ... or at least have some effect - on those gankers who've joined a corporation. It's going to have no effect on those who are in NPC corps. Trying to take the offensive against gankers in a game that is rigged in their favor ... is pretty much a waste of time. If you have Kill Rights on someone - THEN you can take proactive action against them in the future but that's about it. Thus - if someone has already blown up your ship - and you didn't fire back - then you've got 30 days to attack his ship. Of course ... you've got to find him ... and then beat him, which if you're a care bear is probably just going to give him another kill mail. Thus - what you want to do - is to act defensively using such tactics as Alara mentioned. Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools

Kutle	Posted - 2010.12.03 11:47:00 - [111] *I DO NOT* approve this product or service... Park the hulk take out the raven go missions.... You can go a few weeks without mining.... and if you are a veld junky and like snorting it... time to kick it :)
Jeannaqua Spank A Gank	Posted - 2010.12.03 13:46:00 - [112] < Likes Gabriel Cane's thought process! The Anti-Yarr, Yarr FTW! Originally by: Gabriel Cane Forget mining Forget tanking your exhumer/mining barge Get into an interceptor throw a sebo or two on it have a friend/alt remote sebo you and sit at the inside of the gate to a major mining system and pop red eggs. Who knows you just might make a few bucks for killing and you just might discover that you like it. Worse come to worse at least you will get to know the orca alts that the red eggs use to bring in the dessies. If your pocket book can afford it and have a few corpmates handy ... suicide the orca. STOP AVOIDING HULKAGEDDON its in game because folks find it fun to do, but also stop playing by their rules and make up your own sandbox anyone.
Circle's End	Posted - 2010.12.03 15:52:00 - [113] Originally by: Gabriel Cane Forget mining Forget tanking your exhumer/mining barge Get into an interceptor throw a sebo or two on it have a friend/alt remote sebo you and sit at the inside of the gate to a major mining system and pop red eggs. Who knows you just might make a few bucks for killing and you just might discover that you like it. Worse come to worse at least you will get to know the orca alts that the red eggs use to bring in the dessies. If your pocket book can afford it and have a few corpmates handy ... suicide the orca. Brilliant! I fully endorse this product and service.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2010.12.03 17:14:00 - [114] Well the one problem with podding outlaws is that you yourself or going to take a security hit for doing it - and a bigger one than they will get for popping your ship. shrug Then of course ... there's this ... though I'm not so sure how well that's going to work against a gang ... Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
Corelous Alterrian Amarr High Flyers Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.04 04:27:00 - [115] Ever notice in some belts theres like 45 CONCORD ships? Its because each new act spawns a responce, Now they may have changed it but the CONCORD ships all ready there won't help you. Been over 2 years sense I have done anything in high sec so I could be wrong.
Pehk Mak'mel'ahma	Posted - 2010.12.04 06:48:00 - [116] During Hulkageddon III, our former company mined in T1 frigates and did extremely well in terms of sales. We called it Odatrik Ore-A-Thon. If there is going to be a Hulkageddon IV, I'll try to persuade the CEO of our current company to hold another ore-a-thon. Pehk
Dian'h Might Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated	Posted - 2010.12.04 06:57:00 - [117] Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Well the one problem with podding outlaws is that you yourself or going to take a security hit for doing it - and a bigger one than they will get for popping your ship. Outlaws are always free to shoot at with no penalty, you of all people should know a basic mechanic like that. - - - Dian'h Might - C&Ps resident "internet kleptomaniac"
Lessa Nessa	Posted - 2010.12.04 10:00:00 - [118] The worst thing about Hulkageddon are all those kill rights going to waste. We can fix this in two ways. 1. Organize a kill rights claiming competition that ends 30 days after Hulkageddon ends. or 2. Mine in mining barges during Hulkageddon for the express purpose of acquiring kill rights. Either way, Hulkageddon participants would get to have their fun, too.
im mrmessy Caldari SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.04 11:02:00 - [119] OR you could join a major space holding alliance, mine in 0.0 (it is not THAT scary) and sell them minerals for supercap production. simple. I Know that you can't macromine in 0.0 but you shouldn't anyway. The 'ABC' ore is WAY better than veldspar, but if that's what you want then the rocks are giant. If you don't want to join an alliance then mine in lowsec. the systems are almost empty and the ore is decent
Dian'h Might Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated	Posted - 2010.12.04 19:20:00 - [120] Originally by: Lessa Nessa 1. Organize a kill rights claiming competition that ends 30 days after Hulkageddon ends. Good idea, how about you go organize that? - - - Dian'h Might - C&Ps resident "internet kleptomaniac"



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