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Joxxy
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Posted - 2010.12.01 11:06:00 -
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In 12 days CCP will remove learning skills - we all know that.
We also all know that it will affect implant market in some way.
What we clearly all DONT know is how ...
Im one of those people that were betting on rise in demand once this change hits. Been stocking implants for a week now. Nothing big mind you, because Im more of a cautious trader then reckless. Slow income is better then fast income and then loosing it all on a bad investment.
Anyway - today I loged in to my Jita alt. Lo and behold implant market has crashed - on buying side. Sell is still mor or less the same, 20-22 mil per implant depending on what type it is.
Buying side on the other hand is 2-5 mil, depending on respective implant  .
So there are a few scenarios going throughmy mind ...
a) Someone manipulated the market by selling large ammounts of implants on buy orders thusly killing the price. Now that same person will put up buy orders on this, now, super low price and make tens of billons. People like me will follow.
b) Someone knows MUCH more then me about the market in EVE ( I would say most ) and expects implant market to crash much like Y-T MWD and 425 mm railgun market did. So in their wisdom they simply dumped stock on buy orders and took what they could.
c) Big players with hundreds of billions in market withdrew their buy orders fully expecting market crash and will now simply sell their stock on sell orders in following 10 days.
And while I realise talking about changes like this publicly is not the smartest idea, smartest would be to figure it out for myself and jump the competiton, it seems to me more prudent to do so. Mostly because I would like to learn from this experience with as small ammount of ISK lost as possible ( right now its some 4+ Bil that Im expecting to loose, or profit widly from ).
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Carniflex
StarHunt
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.12.01 11:14:00 -
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Most people seem to think that the demand will drop somewhat, as it will be no longer essential to plug in pair of +3's on fresh alt for the learning rush.
Overall and longer term the demand for higher end implants will remain roughly the same, as supply of implants scales quite well with slowly increasing population of EVE, being generated as mission rewards.
I do not see any reason why should the implants increase in price in near future. Perhaps if one assumes that Sansha Incursions will seriously disrupt empire missioning, but that seems unlikely at best in my opinion as well.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.12.01 12:20:00 -
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probably just a few RMT farmers cashing out... happens on +2 all the time.
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Master Flakattack
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Posted - 2010.12.01 14:28:00 -
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I have yet to see a reason for an increase in implant prices, especially the +5 market. I doubt the effect on implants will be anything above the norm.
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Joxxy
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Posted - 2010.12.01 14:30:00 -
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Im afraid your missing the point of this post ...
What and why forced buy price of +4 implants into ground.
From 19 mil buy to 3 mil buy. Thats quite a large gapping hall right there.
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Discordless
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Posted - 2010.12.01 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Discordless on 01/12/2010 14:35:24
Manipulation? 
I see 19mil buy orders for standards, don't know about your Jita though.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.12.01 14:52:00 -
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People like me will follow.
This is where you started losing.
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Im afraid your missing the point of this post ...
What and why forced buy price of +4 implants into ground.
Why? Alts are easier to train => less pressure for implants => expensive implants tank
And / or an account hacker (or corp thief) got access to a large stash of implants and liquidated them.
And / or RMTers decided to dump some stuff (notice what day is this)
And / or RMTers have figured out the consequences of the faction ships marketing change
You had 3 days of market preadvice with prices below the 5 day SMA (= bad sign).
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Atandros
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.12.01 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
Most people seem to think that the demand will drop somewhat, as it will be no longer essential to plug in pair of +3's on fresh alt for the learning rush.
Overall and longer term the demand for higher end implants will remain roughly the same, as supply of implants scales quite well with slowly increasing population of EVE, being generated as mission rewards.
I do not see any reason why should the implants increase in price in near future. Perhaps if one assumes that Sansha Incursions will seriously disrupt empire missioning, but that seems unlikely at best in my opinion as well.
What he said, but I disagree with one thing - the demand for higher end implants. I'll elaborate on that.
+1 - +3 prices are tumbling down because the value of marginal attributes has plummeted, and those implants are used mostly for training low-level characters that used to have a meager total of attribute points (i.e. if you have 10 attribute points, you'll give out a bigger chunk of your wallet to receive one more point than you would if you had 20 points already). That's all pretty cut-and-dried.
But because +3s now offer a better ISK-per-attribute-point ratio than before, the price of +4s and +5s also has to fall (i.e. their own ISK / attribute point ratio has to be improved), to allow them compete with +3s. You're right about the supply, but demand also grows as the population grows (almost certainly at a higher rate than supply, lowering the equilibrium point in the long term, but that's a digression) and as long as marginal attribute points keep their current low value, prices will have to settle on a new equilibrium, as they have been doing.
The Forge price histories reflect this, and it's by far the simplest and most coherent explanation for attribute implants falling in price across the board I could come up with.
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Uolle
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Posted - 2010.12.01 15:43:00 -
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Personally i think the price will increase for +3 +4 +5 specialy +5 as those running any lower will ditch them and go for the highest, lower ends will drop in price.
I wouldnt underestimate the ammount of poeple not using implants therefore these people will enter the market creating a demand.
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Hivsen Ng
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Posted - 2010.12.01 15:52:00 -
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I don't see this market having much effect after the patch.
+12 attribute boost or not, implants are still "free" attributes.
And all it takes for new alts is just a level 1 Cybernetics for +3's.
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Dariah Stardweller
Gallente
NO U111 Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.12.01 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Hivsen Ng
I don't see this market having much effect after the patch.
+12 attribute boost or not, implants are still "free" attributes.
And all it takes for new alts is just a level 1 Cybernetics for +3's.
Indeed, my advice to noobs has always been: get at least +3 implants as soon as you can afford them. I don't see why that should change now.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2010.12.01 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dariah Stardweller
Originally by: Hivsen Ng
I don't see this market having much effect after the patch.
+12 attribute boost or not, implants are still "free" attributes.
And all it takes for new alts is just a level 1 Cybernetics for +3's.
Indeed, my advice to noobs has always been: get at least +3 implants as soon as you can afford them. I don't see why that should change now.
There's already another post for this why start a new one? There's arguments in that threat already for both sides: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1420575
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SFM Hobb3s
Up2-NoGood
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2010.12.01 17:35:00 -
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I'm no market jockey but I was planning on stashing away the specialized implants that I pick up, like the low-grade crystals. Something tells me that when incursions hit these are going to go way up in value (to help mitigate the defense/offense handicap that will occurr in an invaded system)
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