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Meso Tight
Templars of Space
Northern Associates.
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Posted - 2011.09.25 09:18:00 -
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It's fleet commander vs. fleet commander. No longer can 5-10 people think outside the box and fight outnumbered. Yogie bear & friends rule. It's geared toward the useless babies that follow the milk leaking tit into a battle of #'s. Fuckin grow up CPP, you FAIL. Fix PVP or forever exist as a statistic among the FAILING MMOG group of 2011 |
Firebolt145
The Hatchery
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Posted - 2011.09.25 09:39:00 -
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You're right. No one in EVE can fight bigger numbers. Trolololo. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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Posted - 2011.09.25 10:41:00 -
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When two opposing sides are of equal strength, a battle would be too costly, or not yield significant advantages for either. Sometimes, both. The military history of the world, in its entirety, consists of battles fought between the advantaged and the disadvantaged, and the occasional (and surprising) triumph by the latter.
When you said that "PVP in eve is non Existent," did you mean arena PvP? Because if so, I regret to inform you that it never existed in the first place. |
Disastro
Wrecking Shots
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.09.25 11:42:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:When two opposing sides are of equal strength, a battle would be too costly, or not yield significant advantages for either. Sometimes, both. The military history of the world, in its entirety, consists of battles fought between the advantaged and the disadvantaged, and the occasional (and surprising) triumph by the latter.
When you said that "PVP in eve is non Existent," did you mean arena PvP? Because if so, I regret to inform you that it never existed in the first place.
^^^
This. Exactly. I get sick and tired of idiots coming on the forums and complaining about getting blobbed. Do you really think that anyone is going to choose to fight at a disadvantage if they do not have to do so?
The way PVP happens in EVE Online is not really that different than how militaries all over the world choose to engage enemies in real life. The US Military doesnt say....oh well we got only 100 taliban to shoot at so the other 10000 of you troops stay at home and play wow while we take 100 over to fight them the "elite" way.
If folks have the advantage of numbers they will use it. Every single time. If they dont have the advantage of numbers they will look for other advantages or just choose to avoid. Very few folks are looking to go out and lose. Yes, there are some of those guys in eve who do look to fight even when they are grossly disadvantaged. Most of us call them losers. |
Smabs
Higher Than Everest
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.09.25 12:27:00 -
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It's a videogame not real life. Most comparisons with real life battles are completely ridiculous.
Still, in comparison to other games it's a real pain replacing and moving ships so people mostly just blob, run off or setup traps. It's kinda a game of who's bloody minded enough to keep the game running til the other guy engages out of sheer boredom.
If you want to get quick, regular fights you have to put yourself at a disadvantage. Even then there'll be a lot of slow periods. |
Mystical Might
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.09.25 14:01:00 -
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I like to think of myself as someone who fights when the odds are stacked against him.
Buuuuuut That's just me. |
tofucake prime
The Hatchery
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Posted - 2011.09.25 14:27:00 -
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You're correct! Nobody can attack bigger fleets and win. |
Conor Todaki
Solo is Dead
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Posted - 2011.09.25 14:41:00 -
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I went to low-sec today.
Guess how many people I saw.
1 warp stabbed rifter.
Oh and a thanatos. Doing whatever outside a station in docking range. |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.25 14:44:00 -
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Disastro wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:When two opposing sides are of equal strength, a battle would be too costly, or not yield significant advantages for either. Sometimes, both. The military history of the world, in its entirety, consists of battles fought between the advantaged and the disadvantaged, and the occasional (and surprising) triumph by the latter.
When you said that "PVP in eve is non Existent," did you mean arena PvP? Because if so, I regret to inform you that it never existed in the first place. ^^^ This. Exactly. I get sick and tired of idiots coming on the forums and complaining about getting blobbed. Do you really think that anyone is going to choose to fight at a disadvantage if they do not have to do so? The way PVP happens in EVE Online is not really that different than how militaries all over the world choose to engage enemies in real life. The US Military doesnt say....oh well we got only 100 taliban to shoot at so the other 10000 of you troops stay at home and play wow while we take 100 over to fight them the "elite" way. If folks have the advantage of numbers they will use it. Every single time. If they dont have the advantage of numbers they will look for other advantages or just choose to avoid. Very few folks are looking to go out and lose. Yes, there are some of those guys in eve who do look to fight even when they are grossly disadvantaged. Most of us call them losers.
Real world =/= game.
In pvp of any other game, from twitch shooter to strategy, artificial mechanics are always used to keep numbers equal.
But of course, since internet spaceships are serious business, fun and games are not allowed. We must pay monthly subscription to fight realistically. God forbid there's ever AT style arenas implemented. |
Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
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Posted - 2011.09.25 17:32:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Disastro wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:When two opposing sides are of equal strength, a battle would be too costly, or not yield significant advantages for either. Sometimes, both. The military history of the world, in its entirety, consists of battles fought between the advantaged and the disadvantaged, and the occasional (and surprising) triumph by the latter.
When you said that "PVP in eve is non Existent," did you mean arena PvP? Because if so, I regret to inform you that it never existed in the first place. ^^^ This. Exactly. I get sick and tired of idiots coming on the forums and complaining about getting blobbed. Do you really think that anyone is going to choose to fight at a disadvantage if they do not have to do so? The way PVP happens in EVE Online is not really that different than how militaries all over the world choose to engage enemies in real life. The US Military doesnt say....oh well we got only 100 taliban to shoot at so the other 10000 of you troops stay at home and play wow while we take 100 over to fight them the "elite" way. If folks have the advantage of numbers they will use it. Every single time. If they dont have the advantage of numbers they will look for other advantages or just choose to avoid. Very few folks are looking to go out and lose. Yes, there are some of those guys in eve who do look to fight even when they are grossly disadvantaged. Most of us call them losers. Real world =/= game. In pvp of any other game, from twitch shooter to strategy, artificial mechanics are always used to keep numbers equal. But of course, since internet spaceships are serious business, fun and games are not allowed. We must pay monthly subscription to fight realistically. God forbid there's ever AT style arenas implemented.
The difference between EVE and, say, TF2, is that in EVE, a massive part of the game is about gathering resources, building more ships, and recruiting more pilots. If you're all of a sudden forced to bring equal numbers to fight a much smaller force, you're effectively making that part of the game irrelevant, and, dare I say it, killing EVE.
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Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.25 18:23:00 -
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Roosterton wrote:Goose99 wrote:Disastro wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:When two opposing sides are of equal strength, a battle would be too costly, or not yield significant advantages for either. Sometimes, both. The military history of the world, in its entirety, consists of battles fought between the advantaged and the disadvantaged, and the occasional (and surprising) triumph by the latter.
When you said that "PVP in eve is non Existent," did you mean arena PvP? Because if so, I regret to inform you that it never existed in the first place. ^^^ This. Exactly. I get sick and tired of idiots coming on the forums and complaining about getting blobbed. Do you really think that anyone is going to choose to fight at a disadvantage if they do not have to do so? The way PVP happens in EVE Online is not really that different than how militaries all over the world choose to engage enemies in real life. The US Military doesnt say....oh well we got only 100 taliban to shoot at so the other 10000 of you troops stay at home and play wow while we take 100 over to fight them the "elite" way. If folks have the advantage of numbers they will use it. Every single time. If they dont have the advantage of numbers they will look for other advantages or just choose to avoid. Very few folks are looking to go out and lose. Yes, there are some of those guys in eve who do look to fight even when they are grossly disadvantaged. Most of us call them losers. Real world =/= game. In pvp of any other game, from twitch shooter to strategy, artificial mechanics are always used to keep numbers equal. But of course, since internet spaceships are serious business, fun and games are not allowed. We must pay monthly subscription to fight realistically. God forbid there's ever AT style arenas implemented. The difference between EVE and, say, TF2, is that in EVE, a massive part of the game is about gathering resources, building more ships, and recruiting more pilots. If you're all of a sudden forced to bring equal numbers to fight a much smaller force, you're effectively making that part of the game irrelevant, and, dare I say it, killing EVE.
Part of this game's appeal is the harsh consequences. It's more 'realistic' in the aspect of 'losing it all'. This isn't a FPS (or other MMO) where you respawn with everything readily available, and this coupled with the fact that even though it's a game, it's still played by real life people spending real life time to 'play' and real life logic while 'playing'. |
grumpyguts1
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.25 19:30:00 -
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Meso Tight wrote:It's fleet commander vs. fleet commander. No longer can 5-10 people think outside the box and fight outnumbered. Yogie bear & friends rule. It's geared toward the useless babies that follow the milk leaking tit into a battle of #'s. Fuckin grow up CPP, you FAIL. Fix PVP or forever exist as a statistic among the FAILING MMOG group of 2011
Yes I agree with Meso cause Meso always fights fair poor buzzard
Oh and can I has you stuff when you leave ??
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Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.25 20:10:00 -
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Wylee Coyote wrote:Roosterton wrote:Goose99 wrote:Real world =/= game. In pvp of any other game, from twitch shooter to strategy, artificial mechanics are always used to keep numbers equal. But of course, since internet spaceships are serious business, fun and games are not allowed. We must pay monthly subscription to fight realistically. God forbid there's ever AT style arenas implemented. The difference between EVE and, say, TF2, is that in EVE, a massive part of the game is about gathering resources, building more ships, and recruiting more pilots. If you're all of a sudden forced to bring equal numbers to fight a much smaller force, you're effectively making that part of the game irrelevant, and, dare I say it, killing EVE. Part of this game's appeal is the harsh consequences. It's more 'realistic' in the aspect of 'losing it all'. This isn't a FPS (or other MMO) where you respawn with everything readily available, and this coupled with the fact that even though it's a game, it's still played by real life people spending real life time to 'play' and real life logic while 'playing'.
There are other full loot games where you lose it all. The only difference with Eve, and what makes Eve unique, is its fixation on quantity instead of quality. In other full loot games, resources are focused in improving quality, instead of numbers. |
Zoe Alarhun
Drunken Space Irish
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Posted - 2011.09.25 20:38:00 -
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Or you could just - you know solo. I spent some time playing this weekend and I got some kills. If a noob like me can, anyone can. |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.26 00:03:00 -
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Zoe Alarhun wrote:Or you could just - you know solo. I spent some time playing this weekend and I got some kills. If a noob like me can, anyone can.
Some people are masochists. Good for them. |
Cpt Fina
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.09.26 00:13:00 -
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Disastro wrote: Yes, there are some of those guys in eve who do look to fight even when they are grossly disadvantaged. Most of us call them losers.
Confirming that in order to achieve maximum e-respect you have to be blobbing like there's no tomorrow. |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.26 00:39:00 -
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Cpt Fina wrote:Disastro wrote: Yes, there are some of those guys in eve who do look to fight even when they are grossly disadvantaged. Most of us call them losers. Confirming that in order to achieve maximum e-respect you have to be blobbing like there's no tomorrow.
Don't hate the players, hate the game. |
Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.09.26 01:30:00 -
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You're an idiot. This post is incredibly ignorant and useless.
Heretics roam solo or in groups of 2-5 every single day and get tons of great fights. Tons.
Don't claim something unless you have some knowledge in the matter.
Heretic Army CEO
Host of Frigfry Fridays
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Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.09.26 01:33:00 -
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Also, the best fights are the ones where you go against a larger enemy. Just because you suck at the game doesn't mean the rest of us do.
Heretic Army CEO
Host of Frigfry Fridays
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Mara Abraham
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.09.26 01:56:00 -
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Good day, Meso Tight:
The Tuskers often fight in a small gang vs. larger numbers.
While I believe t here are a lot of things to fix in Eve, why do you think pvp itself is broken?
What would you have CCP change to make it better?
Thank you.
--- Mara Abraham
* http://www.factionalwarfare.info/
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Izuru Hishido
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
Violent Society
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Posted - 2011.09.26 01:56:00 -
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Meso Tight wrote:It's fleet commander vs. fleet commander. No longer can 5-10 people think outside the box and fight outnumbered. Yogie bear & friends rule. It's geared toward the useless babies that follow the milk leaking tit into a battle of #'s. Fuckin grow up CPP, you FAIL. Fix PVP or forever exist as a statistic among the FAILING MMOG group of 2011
-2/10 |
Abominare
The Hatchery
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Posted - 2011.09.26 05:43:00 -
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Firebolt145 wrote:You're right. No one in EVE can fight bigger numbers. Trolololo.
Damn you I wanted to laugh at him! |
Fon Win
Fangs Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.26 06:49:00 -
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Meso Tight wrote:I choose not to fight against superior numbers, or use any of the opportunities made available in game to get involved in small fleet/solo pvp
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Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
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Posted - 2011.09.26 09:15:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:When two opposing sides are of equal strength, a battle would be too costly, or not yield significant advantages for either. Sometimes, both. The military history of the world, in its entirety, consists of battles fought between the advantaged and the disadvantaged, and the occasional (and surprising) triumph by the latter.
When you said that "PVP in eve is non Existent," did you mean arena PvP? Because if so, I regret to inform you that it never existed in the first place.
Quite. I was wandering through a major Low-Sec route yesterday when a capsule sped by in the opposite direction.
Now, I am quite sure that pilot wasn't just 'streaking' across space just for the fun of it so he must have come out of some PvP incident somewhere. |
March rabbit
Ganse
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.09.26 10:48:00 -
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this is quite funny how people:
1) cry "get out CCP, this is OUR GAME! This is our f...ng sandbox and we make rules!"
2) cry "where are you CCP, why you don't make artificial rules against XXX, YYY or ZZZ?????"
at the same time |
Satav
Latinum Exports
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Posted - 2011.09.26 16:44:00 -
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I just wasted 20 sec. of my life reading the OP.............
If there are so many noob blobbers out there......... why don't you just own them with your superior tactics?...... Oh because you are one. Trololol.
There are plenty of pvp groups that are excellent at thinking outside the "blob" box and take on numbers greater than their own.
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Satav
Latinum Exports
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Posted - 2011.09.26 16:50:00 -
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Way to put him in his place. lol.
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.09.26 17:36:00 -
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Yes confirming, my FC is the only reason I **** face
Is sexy time? |
Cable Udan
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.09.26 17:53:00 -
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Meso Tight wrote:PVP in eve is non Existent
You're doing it wrong.
http://chasingtheblueflash.blogspot.com/ -á - My Pirate Blog |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.09.26 18:44:00 -
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Disastro wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:When two opposing sides are of equal strength, a battle would be too costly, or not yield significant advantages for either. Sometimes, both. The military history of the world, in its entirety, consists of battles fought between the advantaged and the disadvantaged, and the occasional (and surprising) triumph by the latter.
When you said that "PVP in eve is non Existent," did you mean arena PvP? Because if so, I regret to inform you that it never existed in the first place. ^^^ This. Exactly. I get sick and tired of idiots coming on the forums and complaining about getting blobbed. Do you really think that anyone is going to choose to fight at a disadvantage if they do not have to do so? The way PVP happens in EVE Online is not really that different than how militaries all over the world choose to engage enemies in real life....
Thats about as far as I got and had to stop.
Consider World war 2. Did theRussian, English, Americans, Chinese and other allies pile all their military soldiers and material into one large blob and then go as one huge force fighting around the world until the met the big blob that had all the german italian and Japanese soldiers and material?
No in the real wars armies have to be spread out. In real wars there are many battles being fought in the same time periods in different places. In real wars strategic decisions have to be made about who and what to send where. Eve its always the same answer. Get in the blob.
IMO eve should have systems where people are constantly fighting smaller scale battles thoughout the relevant regions. Blobs are fine for null sec. Blob warfare makes the headlines for eve and brings in new players. But low sec and faction war in particular should have mechanics for smaller scale pvp battles.
And no, I'm not talking about arenas.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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