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Takseen
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Posted - 2010.12.02 16:28:00 -
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CCP breaking their one expansion every 6 months cycle because they need more time to get stuff finished? Good thing.
CCP adding the Incursion splash screen even though this is a pre-patch and lacking nearly all of the features of the main product? Meh. Think of it as an in-game trailer and some free stuff to keep you busy. Quit complaining about silly things and go make another learning skills thread.
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Guttripper
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.12.02 16:46:00 -
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I think many of these mini patches are fixing the core of the game to be a smoother experience for all. I base this view on me using a Y2K computer (pre 2000) and lately the game has been faster than ever with graphics that are getting more refined in detail.
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JSquared
Quantum Warfare Research and Development Quantum Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.02 16:47:00 -
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I will have to agree and I hope CCP is listening. I'm disappointed with this trend of staggered "expansion" and even more disgusted with endless "recommended" client patches day after day after day.
It's clear that some people actually like this, but it should also be clear that there is a number of us that do not.
I would much prefer waiting for ONE working, polished and tested, honest to goodness expansion per year with real added content in it and not just fluff with a new log in screen. Call this 20 mb patch/expansion what you want.. I'm not fooled.
and as to this statement:
Quote: While there are many things in Eve that I am unsatisfied with, i will grudgingly admit that this release was the best EVER. When was the last time a patch went in this smoothly/quickly and with so few repurcussions
It's not too hard to make a smooth "release" with few repercussions when it really is nothing but a new ship, a splash screen and some balance changes to begin with. Frankly, If it was anything less then flawless I would have lost what little faith I have left. There is nothing *IN* this release.. of course it's smooth.
Now come on CCP. For quite some time I've been feeling like you guys are just coasting down a hill with little innovation. Kick it in gear and lets see something from you guys like back in the old days.
And before anyone wants to flame this.. tear it down.. poke holes in it or call us bitter.. or.. assault my spelling or grammar, keep in mind, none of that matters, it doesn't make the game we all play better, and I won't read it anyway. What matters is the perception of a customer. Some of us are trying to say.. we are disappointed and we are seeing a trend we don't like.. so consider our point of view as well.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.12.02 16:51:00 -
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If by "unwelcome precedent" you mean "thank christ they've stopped jamming more poorly thought-out half-finished features in favour of actually making a start on the huge backlog of issues" then yes, I hope this is setting a precedent.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Trebor Whettam
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Posted - 2010.12.02 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas Barker
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Nicholas Barker We're more trying to bring to light how stupid it was releasing a ship and some number changes, and calling it incursion just because you stuck the splash and login screens in with it.
àand what everyone else is saying is: if it's ready and can be released separately, why not roll it out just because it's part of an expansion that won't be fully ready until later?
Because it's obviously not part of the expansion, salvaging is independent of sanshas invading, so is a rocket buff, and any lag reducing code changes. It's 20meg patch material.
It's 20meg of patch material that already makes this a more productive and useful release than Tyranis ever was. Don't forget the UI upgrades. CCP took a lot of grief (some deserved) for the rolling client updates surrounding the UI backend upgrades, but paying off that technical debt is already reaping rewards.
Is it a bit silly to call it "Incursion" without the actual incursions? Yeah. However, I couldn't care less what the splash screen says. I want useful improvements to the game, and I'm getting them.
CCP is giving the players what they asked for in this release. Complaints about meaningless stuff (splash screens) or good decisions (delaying content until it's actually worth releasing) are rightfully being countered by players who want to see this done right.
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Guttripper
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.12.02 17:00:00 -
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Maybe I am getting sentimental in my old age, but I feel sorry for CCP at this stage of the game.
- They release one gigantic expansion (or patch) and things go wrong with people complaining about them rushing content out the door without proper testing.
- They release minor baby patches that build into an expansion theme and people complain about them false advertising content while desiring CCP to release one gigantic expansion (or patch).
I bet CCP follows a similar mantra we have at my place of employment while reading these forums - it is not the question if you drink, but how much...
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.12.02 17:06:00 -
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there have been all kinds of incursions since incursion was released, they aren't up to your expectations?
the new AA isn't good enough for you?
Dual monitors something you don't want to use?
don't have a rocket boat?
don't use t2 ammo?
OP is clearly trolling.
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Durnin Stormbrow
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Posted - 2010.12.02 17:33:00 -
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CCP is doing exactly what we told them to do.
They're not breaking what isn't broken. They're not releasing half thought additions with missing features that are rushed out the door to meet an arbitrary date on someone's calendar.
While the feature list of Incursion 1.0 may be short, it didn't break anything major. What wasn't right at release was fixed in short order. OTOH, the features 1.0 did give us work as advertised and the improvements noticeably improved game play.
If it takes 6 months to have Incursion 1.1 ready for release, I'd rather wait 6 the months.
@CCP Keep it up.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.12.02 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis If by "unwelcome precedent" you mean "thank christ they've stopped jamming more poorly thought-out half-finished features in favour of actually making a start on the huge backlog of issues" then yes, I hope this is setting a precedent.
QFT.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.12.02 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Genital Necrosis Here's a concern I have, CCP has thrown us the very bare bones of Incursion just to slap on the "Incursion" log in screen and to say it was released on schedule, pushing the meat of the content back 2 months. A long over-due ship, some number tweaking and some minor changes to the market do not constitute an expansion to me, it isn't even a "stage" of release, I have seen more content introduced in a patch.
Does this mean that the body of my summer expansion will get pushed back 2 months as well? What about winter 2011? 1.5 expansions a year is a big step down from 2 and I hope that this is not considered "Okay" by our beloved dev-team.
It's the best thing they could have done. Instead of **** being released broken all to hell for weeks, we get stuff that actually gets tested more thoroughly.
I'm all for it. If you can't stand it, there are plenty of MMOs that release broken expansions and spend the next month trying to fix all the game breaking problems.
Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2010.12.02 18:26:00 -
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You got it for free, didn't you? Stop whining. Jesus.
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Othran
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.12.02 18:30:00 -
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I'd much rather they spent 2 months releasing an expansion rather than the previous "oh that's done lets assign all the resources to new shiny stuff" attitude.
YMMV of course.
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ILikeMarkets
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Posted - 2010.12.02 18:38:00 -
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2 expansions a year. For free. No charge. And you are whining and complaining that they might start only putting out one a year and a partial release of another? For free?
Games like WoW and EQ put out expansions once every couple years and charge out the ass for it. But we get 2 a year. For free.
FFS...
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Portmanteau
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.12.02 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Genital Necrosis If Incursion is released spit-polished to perfection then sure, I will agree with you on that.
However I think you are counting your chickens before they are hatched.
As are you by complaining now before the full release of incursion.
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omgfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.12.06 01:11:00 -
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I disagree with OP.
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Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.12.06 01:23:00 -
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One high quality feature packed expansion per year thanks.
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Kais Thanatos
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Posted - 2010.12.06 01:28:00 -
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I'll drop the line used by all programmers and software devs.
"If you can do it better, faster and bug free than I then please, enlighten me. Oh you don't know how? Then shut the F*** up."
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Tiliam
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Posted - 2010.12.06 01:31:00 -
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While I would have preferred to have all of the Incursion stuff released at the same time by now I would only have wanted that if it was ready to be released, which it wasn't.
We have had the lesser of 3 evils here:-
1. we could have had everything now, breaking things and making the game not very fun over christmas. 2. we could have had everything held back until January when everything is finished, but then I'm missing out on some very nice fixes and a new ship for no reason. 3. we have had the stuff which is working now, so I get the much needed fixes to rockets, fixed/enhanced graphics options and a new ship to play with while I wait for the extra content to be released when it is ready in January.
I'm vey pleased CCP chose option 3 there - obviously it would have been nice to have everything released now, but sometimes you can't work miracles and issues arise in development pushing things back. Personally I'm much happier getting fixes to things as soon as they are ready (fixes>new content IMO).
If it makes you happier OP just look away when the splash screen appears and pretend it is the Tyrannis splash screen.
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Rpeg
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.12.06 02:27:00 -
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This Incursion 1.0 release seems pointless and it seems they just should've waited until the entire thing is complete. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Kais Thanatos
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Posted - 2010.12.06 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rpeg This Incursion 1.0 release seems pointless and it seems they just should've waited until the entire thing is complete.
Are you going to back up your statement? If you say it "seems pointless" please go through that patch notes and tell us what was pointless about it?
To be fair though adding "Incursion" to the main screen just seemed a little pretentious when it's hardly an expansion yet. Do appreciate the rocket buff [Malediction Pilot here] and the rubber banding after warp gone.
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Rpeg
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.12.06 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kais Thanatos
Originally by: Rpeg This Incursion 1.0 release seems pointless and it seems they just should've waited until the entire thing is complete.
Are you going to back up your statement? If you say it "seems pointless" please go through that patch notes and tell us what was pointless about it?
To be fair though adding "Incursion" to the main screen just seemed a little pretentious when it's hardly an expansion yet. Do appreciate the rocket buff [Malediction Pilot here] and the rubber banding after warp gone.
It seems pointless because they could've just waited a month or so longer to release a full expansion instead of a piece of it. I see no reason why they would release part of an expansion other than to partially meet their requirements of two expansions a year. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Infinity Ziona
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.12.06 03:09:00 -
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Its not a concern for me. The games already imbalanced, its buggy and its lacking direction.
More expansions for the sake of meeting a goal of 2 expansions per year without regard for QA is stupid and introduces more bugs, more imbalance and even less direction.
IMO its a smart move on CCP's part to release in stages. Sig ---
Quote: Originally by Oveur: High security empire space is supposed to be quite safe. ... That's the whole point of high security.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.12.06 03:14:00 -
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Releasing the Noctis now, actual Incursion content a little later means we can face the first of the new Incursions with proper combat salvaging capability :)
I am very much in favor of the new approach of releasing stuff as it is ready to be released.
On the other hand, there is a list a few pages long of stuff I want to be easy to release soon, prioritization of which is being handled by the CSM. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel] |
Rpeg
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.12.06 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
I am very much in favor of the new approach of releasing stuff as it is ready to be released.
But if they're going to release content as it comes, which sounds fine, it doesn't entirely make sense to call that process or increments of content, an "expansion". Expansions are more commonly large packages of content. Not incremental releases. In fact they could make small incremental releases when anything is ready and tested. But I think it's awkward that Incursion 1.0 does not offer any actual "incursions". -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Red Emma
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.06 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: ILikeMarkets 2 expansions a year. For free. No charge. And you are whining and complaining that they might start only putting out one a year and a partial release of another? For free?
Games like WoW and EQ put out expansions once every couple years and charge out the ass for it. But we get 2 a year. For free.
FFS...
I hear this all the time, but remember: WoW and EQ charge because they produce a lot of content with their expansions. A new ship is not an "expansion", and to compare it to paid content expansions in other games is a joke. Bug fixes? You get that for free in other MMO patches, too.
I'm not griping about Incursion, itself, as I am a fairly content player.
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00383988003
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Posted - 2010.12.06 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rpeg This Incursion 1.0 release seems pointless and it seems they just should've waited until the entire thing is complete.
Fricken love Autechre!
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Fried'chickenisha
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Posted - 2010.12.06 04:37:00 -
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Im slow in the head I need my expansions feed to me a little at a time, that way i get to try everything out.
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Rpeg
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.12.06 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: 00383988003
Originally by: Rpeg This Incursion 1.0 release seems pointless and it seems they just should've waited until the entire thing is complete.
Fricken love Autechre!
Finally someone gets it. I've named my Typhoon Cipater and one of my other characters, Arch Carrier.
If you like Autechre, you should check my winning remix for The Social Network Soundtrack: http://thehandsomestdrownedman.com -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Marchocias
Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2010.12.06 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Florio How can anyone get to the stage where this kind of thing bothers them?
A very sheltered upbringing, presumably. ---- I belong to Silent Ninja (Hopefully that should cover it). |
Marchocias
Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2010.12.06 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: 00383988003
Originally by: Rpeg This Incursion 1.0 release seems pointless and it seems they just should've waited until the entire thing is complete.
Fricken love Autechre!
Finally someone gets it. I've named my Typhoon Cipater and one of my other characters, Arch Carrier.
If you like Autechre, you should check my winning remix for The Social Network Soundtrack: http://thehandsomestdrownedman.com
Their albums are always disappointing compared to their live output... I've got mates who insist Autechre suck, and I try and tell them 'listen to the live stuff... It's quality!' but they just don't understand ---- I belong to Silent Ninja (Hopefully that should cover it). |
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