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Genital Necrosis	Posted - 2010.12.02 12:59:00 - [1] Here's a concern I have, CCP has thrown us the very bare bones of Incursion just to slap on the "Incursion" log in screen and to say it was released on schedule, pushing the meat of the content back 2 months. A long over-due ship, some number tweaking and some minor changes to the market do not constitute an expansion to me, it isn't even a "stage" of release, I have seen more content introduced in a patch. Does this mean that the body of my summer expansion will get pushed back 2 months as well? What about winter 2011? 1.5 expansions a year is a big step down from 2 and I hope that this is not considered "Okay" by our beloved dev-team.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.12.02 13:01:00 - [2] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 02/12/2010 13:05:20 Yes, let's go back to getting it released on time but unfinished, with a promise to fix it 'eventually'. inb4 incursion is unfinished despite being late - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Rhaegar Thrax Gallente Militaris Industries Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.12.02 13:04:00 - [3] Originally by: Genital Necrosis Here's a concern I have, CCP has thrown us the very bare bones of Incursion just to slap on the "Incursion" log in screen and to say it was released on schedule, pushing the meat of the content back 2 months. A long over-due ship, some number tweaking and some minor changes to the market do not constitute an expansion to me, it isn't even a "stage" of release, I have seen more content introduced in a patch. Does this mean that the body of my summer expansion will get pushed back 2 months as well? What about winter 2011? 1.5 expansions a year is a big step down from 2 and I hope that this is not considered "Okay" by our beloved dev-team. Dude, you need to calm down, sit, think on this a little, and try to understand how good a descision this has been on CCP's part. Would you rather have 2 sub-par expansions per year, than 1.5 well made, optimized expansions, where they've actually taken the needed time to get it done properly? Haven't you noticed all the features that needs more work to really shine? The treaties system is still missing from the Dominion expansion, FW still needs work, or so i hear.... This is a good thing.
Baastardo	Posted - 2010.12.02 13:06:00 - [4] LOL@OP You must be the kind of person who cant be happy unless he is miserable. While there are many things in Eve that I am unsatisfied with, i will grudgingly admit that this release was the best EVER. When was the last time a patch went in this smoothly/quickly and with so few repurcussions? Play the game more and worry about what-ifs less!
Caldariftw123	Posted - 2010.12.02 13:09:00 - [5] Originally by: Genital Necrosis Here's a concern I have, CCP has thrown us the very bare bones of Incursion just to slap on the "Incursion" log in screen and to say it was released on schedule, pushing the meat of the content back 2 months. A long over-due ship, some number tweaking and some minor changes to the market do not constitute an expansion to me, it isn't even a "stage" of release, I have seen more content introduced in a patch. Does this mean that the body of my summer expansion will get pushed back 2 months as well? What about winter 2011? 1.5 expansions a year is a big step down from 2 and I hope that this is not considered "Okay" by our beloved dev-team. They pushed the main content back because it wasn't ready yet. The recent first stage to incursion is something they hammered through rather quickly and with spare resources to provide a lot of content that the players, through the CSM, asked for. It's not just so they can say 'they released it on time!' because the alternative would be not releasing ANYTHING at this point, and waiting for the main content to be ready. So you can choose between getting a lot of cool changes now but with the main content later, or just getting the main content later? This was all clearly explained in their blog post.
Genital Necrosis	Posted - 2010.12.02 13:17:00 - [6] If Incursion is released spit-polished to perfection then sure, I will agree with you on that. However I think you are counting your chickens before they are hatched.
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.02 13:19:00 - [7] Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 02/12/2010 13:19:42 Originally by: Genital Necrosis If Incursion is released spit-polished to perfection then sure, I will agree with you on that. However I think you are counting your chickens before they are hatched. If Incursions is released with a dozen mistakes I would hate to see it released now with less bug fixes. -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2010.12.02 13:19:00 - [8] The issue really is that the feature set simply wasn't ready for launch. We tested it and it was really badly a WIP. The choice was to either deliver broken crap, deliver underwhelming/uninteresting crap or delay the release. They chose the best alternative from the ones they had available, since you know we usually have to live with the initial release product for years. I hope they choose the same thing, if and when they find themselves in similar situation in the future. New features aren't necessary to get in to the game on a rigid time table. The players already have a working game, so it is much more important that the new features work properly, are interesting to play and don't break the rest of the game. You are basicly complaining, that CCP shouldn't have called this stage in the expansion release an expansion. Would it have been any better if they had called it a patch or delayed it all until the january release? One means just a name change and the other means delaying needed improvements to the game for no good reason. Either way I'll take 1,5 meaty and working expansion a year over 2 expansions with broken or severely underwhelming features.
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.12.02 13:25:00 - [9] You see all those long time user-requested features and fixes that magically appeared in the Incursion release plan a couple months ago? They were made by magic faeries and dropped on the doorsteps of CCP HQ by Clause Santa. That the dev team is late with Incursion and character creator is just them being lazy.
Derus Grobb Minmatar Selectus Pravus Lupus Transmission Lost	Posted - 2010.12.02 13:26:00 - [10] They should only release stuff WHEN IT IS READY. ---

Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.02 13:27:00 - [11] Originally by: Genital Necrosis If Incursion is released spit-polished to perfection then sure, I will agree with you on that. However I think you are counting your chickens before they are hatched. Well I'' b. We got two people her counting chickens before they hatch. The suspense it is killing me! Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Ifly Uwalk Caldari Empire Tax Collection Agency	Posted - 2010.12.02 13:30:00 - [12] I'd hate to see them go down to issuing only 1.5 new expansions a year. I'd like to see them release just 1. With the other big release of any given year being an honest-to-goodness, bug-fixin' patch.
Rhinanna Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2010.12.02 13:31:00 - [13] I'd much rather they released like this, that way if there are problems then they can roll-back or isolate the problem much easier and quicker than with one massive release. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it. Drenzul (My normal internet tag)
Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.02 13:39:00 - [14] Originally by: Caldariftw123 They pushed the main content back because it wasn't ready yet. The recent first stage to incursion is something they hammered through rather quickly and with spare resources to provide a lot of content that the players, through the CSM, asked for. It's not just so they can say 'they released it on time!' because the alternative would be not releasing ANYTHING at this point, and waiting for the main content to be ready. So you can choose between getting a lot of cool changes now but with the main content later, or just getting the main content later? This was all clearly explained in their blog post. Well in a way I can see the concern as we're officially already in the Incursion part of the game (see login screen) while we don't even have Incursions. It's a bit of a strange way of doing things.
hired goon	Posted - 2010.12.02 13:44:00 - [15] Actually it's not 1.5 expansions per year. If you add the half that's released in January, and the first half of the next expansion that's added in december of that year, it's still 2.
JeanBomberFromagePutain	Posted - 2010.12.02 13:54:00 - [16] What happened to each 6 months EXPANSION PACKS. We're getting half baked patches atm. Beer!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.12.02 14:03:00 - [17] If staggered releases removes the pressure of "be ready by day X or we'll stick it in broken" I'm all for it. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2010.12.02 14:05:00 - [18] this feature is working as intended
Rhaegar Thrax Gallente Militaris Industries Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.12.02 14:23:00 - [19] Originally by: hired goon Actually it's not 1.5 expansions per year. If you add the half that's released in January, and the first half of the next expansion that's added in december of that year, it's still 2. Well, yeah, 1.5 was just a number I threw out there. Thinking they'd use 9 months or some such on each patch. But anyway, I really don't honestly care about the frequency of releases....what I'd care about more is that they of course be quick about it, but also that they take their time to finish the products. Simply take their time to commit to excellence. I think the 2 expansions per year promise is hampering their honest effort at making quality products, take back the promise, and just commit to excellence, in the form of REALLY making sure everything is working as intended, but don't be lazy about it! One thing that is on my wishlist is also, one year, one year where you absolutely work on no new shinies or features, just one year where you take your time to polish every nook and cranny in Eve, get everything fixed, running optimally. I'm not saying you should streamline teh player experience to something simliar to WoW (from what I've heard of it), but make sure we get quality tools for our sandbox instead of some of the crappy discount ones. You're doing a good job CCP, and I realize you need new shinies to attract and keep players, but just continue doing what you just did with this recent patch, commit to excellence! Commit to excellence over committing to deliver!
Wanpaku	Posted - 2010.12.02 14:28:00 - [20] I think some people complain just to complain. I for one am glad they are taking their time. Makes for better gameplay all around.

Nuniki Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.12.02 14:29:00 - [21] How can something that had no deadline be late? Riddle me this.
Rian O'Shea	Posted - 2010.12.02 14:38:00 - [22] Actually, I like it this way. "Feeding" changes and new code in batches, making sure it works and being able to pinpoint their effort would something be wrong. Rather than dumping it all in one go and having to wade through all the changes if something, inevitably, goes wrong. The fact that, so far, the expansion has been quite painless and not rage-inducing shows they're doing something right. --- The whole problem with the universe is that fools and fanatics are always certain of themselves, but wiser people are full of doubt.
Zaknussem Intrum Industria	Posted - 2010.12.02 15:51:00 - [23] You weren't here when Quantum Rise was released, were you? It was lauded as the "Industrial expansion", with a new industrial-oriented ship, minable comets, store-fronts, major changes planned to the whole mining process and various fixes to lag. What we ended up with was the Orca, the lag monster being snuffed out for a year and weapon grouping. Oh, and over 1000 various bugs fixed. (Sadly we haven't been informed how many bugs remained, but I'd guess they were thousands more.) Some content originally planned for QR was pushed back to Apocrypha for the sole purpose of making Apocrypha look better. Marketing sucks. Some content was pushed back and hasn't been added since. Par for the course for CCP. But the point I wanted to get across was that the lag-killing fixes were introduced a whole month before the expansion went live. And NOBODY complained (everybody were too busy raging over Ghost Training being removed.) That's a staggered release right there. (NOBODY does not apply to EVE-Forum trolls, who are not real persons and therefore don't count.) So... suck it up, 'cause it looks like they're here to stay.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.12.02 16:01:00 - [24] Originally by: Zaknussem What we ended up with was the Orca, the lag monster being snuffed out for a year and weapon grouping. Oh, and over 1000 various bugs fixed. (Sadly we haven't been informed how many bugs remained, but I'd guess they were thousands more.) Some content originally planned for QR was pushed back to Apocrypha for the sole purpose of making Apocrypha look better. àand even without the staggered release you're talking about, it could be argued that QR added about as much stuff as this Incursion 1/3 release did, and they called that a full-on expansion. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Nicholas Barker Diabolus Ex Machina The Amazing Onjoi and his Educated Rodents	Posted - 2010.12.02 16:07:00 - [25] All you guys saying we should be grateful that it's going to be a working expansion for a change. We're more trying to bring to light how stupid it was releasing a ship and some number changes, and calling it incursion just because you stuck the splash and login screens in with it. It just seems like they're mocking us or playing us for fools by doing it. Why didn't they just release that, not put the splash screen in with the patch, because that's what it is, a patch not an expansion. I don't mind when it's pushed back one or two months, great they're making sure it works and are getting it up to spec for a change. That way it won't be like the **** pile called PI that could have still been in development now and be fleshed out more into a proper feature with gameplay etc, since we're obviously not seeing DUST for a while still. ------ 0800-LAG-A-NODE
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.12.02 16:09:00 - [26] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 02/12/2010 13:05:20 Yes, let's go back to getting it released on time but unfinished, with a promise to fix it 'eventually'. inb4 incursion is unfinished despite being late I think this demands a few new signatures to celebrate with.
Death Severus	Posted - 2010.12.02 16:16:00 - [27] If it isn't done i don't want it shoved in my face. I for one am glad CCP pushed the expansion back. It shows they are maturing as a company. I would be happy if there was no more "here is the expansion we will fix it over the next 6 months....maybe." I would even be happy with one solid expansion a year instead of 2 half assed ones.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.12.02 16:16:00 - [28] Originally by: Nicholas Barker We're more trying to bring to light how stupid it was releasing a ship and some number changes, and calling it incursion just because you stuck the splash and login screens in with it. àand what everyone else is saying is: if it's ready and can be released separately, why not roll it out just because it's part of an expansion that won't be fully ready until later? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Florio Miniature Giant Space Hamsters	Posted - 2010.12.02 16:23:00 - [29] How can anyone get to the stage where this kind of thing bothers them?
Nicholas Barker Diabolus Ex Machina The Amazing Onjoi and his Educated Rodents	Posted - 2010.12.02 16:25:00 - [30] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Nicholas Barker We're more trying to bring to light how stupid it was releasing a ship and some number changes, and calling it incursion just because you stuck the splash and login screens in with it. àand what everyone else is saying is: if it's ready and can be released separately, why not roll it out just because it's part of an expansion that won't be fully ready until later? Because it's obviously not part of the expansion, salvaging is independent of sanshas invading, so is a rocket buff, and any lag reducing code changes. It's 20meg patch material. ------ 0800-LAG-A-NODE

Takseen	Posted - 2010.12.02 16:28:00 - [31] CCP breaking their one expansion every 6 months cycle because they need more time to get stuff finished? Good thing. CCP adding the Incursion splash screen even though this is a pre-patch and lacking nearly all of the features of the main product? Meh. Think of it as an in-game trailer and some free stuff to keep you busy. Quit complaining about silly things and go make another learning skills thread.
Guttripper Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2010.12.02 16:46:00 - [32] I think many of these mini patches are fixing the core of the game to be a smoother experience for all. I base this view on me using a Y2K computer (pre 2000) and lately the game has been faster than ever with graphics that are getting more refined in detail.
JSquared Quantum Warfare Research and Development Quantum Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.02 16:47:00 - [33] I will have to agree and I hope CCP is listening. I'm disappointed with this trend of staggered "expansion" and even more disgusted with endless "recommended" client patches day after day after day. It's clear that some people actually like this, but it should also be clear that there is a number of us that do not. I would much prefer waiting for ONE working, polished and tested, honest to goodness expansion per year with real added content in it and not just fluff with a new log in screen. Call this 20 mb patch/expansion what you want.. I'm not fooled. and as to this statement: Quote: While there are many things in Eve that I am unsatisfied with, i will grudgingly admit that this release was the best EVER. When was the last time a patch went in this smoothly/quickly and with so few repurcussions It's not too hard to make a smooth "release" with few repercussions when it really is nothing but a new ship, a splash screen and some balance changes to begin with. Frankly, If it was anything less then flawless I would have lost what little faith I have left. There is nothing IN this release.. of course it's smooth. Now come on CCP. For quite some time I've been feeling like you guys are just coasting down a hill with little innovation. Kick it in gear and lets see something from you guys like back in the old days. And before anyone wants to flame this.. tear it down.. poke holes in it or call us bitter.. or.. assault my spelling or grammar, keep in mind, none of that matters, it doesn't make the game we all play better, and I won't read it anyway. What matters is the perception of a customer. Some of us are trying to say.. we are disappointed and we are seeing a trend we don't like.. so consider our point of view as well. J¦
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.12.02 16:51:00 - [34] If by "unwelcome precedent" you mean "thank christ they've stopped jamming more poorly thought-out half-finished features in favour of actually making a start on the huge backlog of issues" then yes, I hope this is setting a precedent. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Trebor Whettam	Posted - 2010.12.02 16:52:00 - [35] Originally by: Nicholas Barker Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Nicholas Barker We're more trying to bring to light how stupid it was releasing a ship and some number changes, and calling it incursion just because you stuck the splash and login screens in with it. àand what everyone else is saying is: if it's ready and can be released separately, why not roll it out just because it's part of an expansion that won't be fully ready until later? Because it's obviously not part of the expansion, salvaging is independent of sanshas invading, so is a rocket buff, and any lag reducing code changes. It's 20meg patch material. It's 20meg of patch material that already makes this a more productive and useful release than Tyranis ever was. Don't forget the UI upgrades. CCP took a lot of grief (some deserved) for the rolling client updates surrounding the UI backend upgrades, but paying off that technical debt is already reaping rewards. Is it a bit silly to call it "Incursion" without the actual incursions? Yeah. However, I couldn't care less what the splash screen says. I want useful improvements to the game, and I'm getting them. CCP is giving the players what they asked for in this release. Complaints about meaningless stuff (splash screens) or good decisions (delaying content until it's actually worth releasing) are rightfully being countered by players who want to see this done right.
Guttripper Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2010.12.02 17:00:00 - [36] Maybe I am getting sentimental in my old age, but I feel sorry for CCP at this stage of the game. - They release one gigantic expansion (or patch) and things go wrong with people complaining about them rushing content out the door without proper testing. - They release minor baby patches that build into an expansion theme and people complain about them false advertising content while desiring CCP to release one gigantic expansion (or patch). I bet CCP follows a similar mantra we have at my place of employment while reading these forums - it is not the question if you drink, but how much...
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.02 17:06:00 - [37] there have been all kinds of incursions since incursion was released, they aren't up to your expectations? the new AA isn't good enough for you? Dual monitors something you don't want to use? don't have a rocket boat? don't use t2 ammo? OP is clearly trolling. 0/0
Durnin Stormbrow	Posted - 2010.12.02 17:33:00 - [38] CCP is doing exactly what we told them to do. They're not breaking what isn't broken. They're not releasing half thought additions with missing features that are rushed out the door to meet an arbitrary date on someone's calendar. While the feature list of Incursion 1.0 may be short, it didn't break anything major. What wasn't right at release was fixed in short order. OTOH, the features 1.0 did give us work as advertised and the improvements noticeably improved game play. If it takes 6 months to have Incursion 1.1 ready for release, I'd rather wait 6 the months. @CCP Keep it up.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.12.02 18:09:00 - [39] Originally by: Malcanis If by "unwelcome precedent" you mean "thank christ they've stopped jamming more poorly thought-out half-finished features in favour of actually making a start on the huge backlog of issues" then yes, I hope this is setting a precedent. QFT. --Vel I'm more of a care-badger.
Barakkus	Posted - 2010.12.02 18:11:00 - [40] Originally by: Genital Necrosis Here's a concern I have, CCP has thrown us the very bare bones of Incursion just to slap on the "Incursion" log in screen and to say it was released on schedule, pushing the meat of the content back 2 months. A long over-due ship, some number tweaking and some minor changes to the market do not constitute an expansion to me, it isn't even a "stage" of release, I have seen more content introduced in a patch. Does this mean that the body of my summer expansion will get pushed back 2 months as well? What about winter 2011? 1.5 expansions a year is a big step down from 2 and I hope that this is not considered "Okay" by our beloved dev-team. It's the best thing they could have done. Instead of ** being released broken all to hell for weeks, we get stuff that actually gets tested more thoroughly. I'm all for it. If you can't stand it, there are plenty of MMOs that release broken expansions and spend the next month trying to fix all the game breaking problems. Originally by:** captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus? Wait a minute...

Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2010.12.02 18:26:00 - [41] You got it for free, didn't you? Stop whining. Jesus.
Othran Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.12.02 18:30:00 - [42] I'd much rather they spent 2 months releasing an expansion rather than the previous "oh that's done lets assign all the resources to new shiny stuff" attitude. YMMV of course.
ILikeMarkets	Posted - 2010.12.02 18:38:00 - [43] 2 expansions a year. For free. No charge. And you are whining and complaining that they might start only putting out one a year and a partial release of another? For free? Games like WoW and EQ put out expansions once every couple years and charge out the ass for it. But we get 2 a year. For free. FFS...
Portmanteau CTRL-Q	Posted - 2010.12.02 19:04:00 - [44] Originally by: Genital Necrosis If Incursion is released spit-polished to perfection then sure, I will agree with you on that. However I think you are counting your chickens before they are hatched. As are you by complaining now before the full release of incursion.
omgfreemoniez	Posted - 2010.12.06 01:11:00 - [45] I disagree with OP.
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.06 01:23:00 - [46] One high quality feature packed expansion per year thanks.
Kais Thanatos	Posted - 2010.12.06 01:28:00 - [47] I'll drop the line used by all programmers and software devs. "If you can do it better, faster and bug free than I then please, enlighten me. Oh you don't know how? Then shut the F*** up."
Tiliam	Posted - 2010.12.06 01:31:00 - [48] While I would have preferred to have all of the Incursion stuff released at the same time by now I would only have wanted that if it was ready to be released, which it wasn't. We have had the lesser of 3 evils here:- 1. we could have had everything now, breaking things and making the game not very fun over christmas. 2. we could have had everything held back until January when everything is finished, but then I'm missing out on some very nice fixes and a new ship for no reason. 3. we have had the stuff which is working now, so I get the much needed fixes to rockets, fixed/enhanced graphics options and a new ship to play with while I wait for the extra content to be released when it is ready in January. I'm vey pleased CCP chose option 3 there - obviously it would have been nice to have everything released now, but sometimes you can't work miracles and issues arise in development pushing things back. Personally I'm much happier getting fixes to things as soon as they are ready (fixes>new content IMO). If it makes you happier OP just look away when the splash screen appears and pretend it is the Tyrannis splash screen.
Rpeg Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2010.12.06 02:27:00 - [49] This Incursion 1.0 release seems pointless and it seems they just should've waited until the entire thing is complete. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com
Kais Thanatos	Posted - 2010.12.06 02:41:00 - [50] Originally by: Rpeg This Incursion 1.0 release seems pointless and it seems they just should've waited until the entire thing is complete. Are you going to back up your statement? If you say it "seems pointless" please go through that patch notes and tell us what was pointless about it? To be fair though adding "Incursion" to the main screen just seemed a little pretentious when it's hardly an expansion yet. Do appreciate the rocket buff [Malediction Pilot here] and the rubber banding after warp gone.

Rpeg Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2010.12.06 02:57:00 - [51] Originally by: Kais Thanatos Originally by: Rpeg This Incursion 1.0 release seems pointless and it seems they just should've waited until the entire thing is complete. Are you going to back up your statement? If you say it "seems pointless" please go through that patch notes and tell us what was pointless about it? To be fair though adding "Incursion" to the main screen just seemed a little pretentious when it's hardly an expansion yet. Do appreciate the rocket buff [Malediction Pilot here] and the rubber banding after warp gone. It seems pointless because they could've just waited a month or so longer to release a full expansion instead of a piece of it. I see no reason why they would release part of an expansion other than to partially meet their requirements of two expansions a year. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.12.06 03:09:00 - [52] Its not a concern for me. The games already imbalanced, its buggy and its lacking direction. More expansions for the sake of meeting a goal of 2 expansions per year without regard for QA is stupid and introduces more bugs, more imbalance and even less direction. IMO its a smart move on CCP's part to release in stages. Sig --- Quote: Originally by Oveur: High security empire space is supposed to be quite safe. ... That's the whole point of high security.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2010.12.06 03:14:00 - [53] Releasing the Noctis now, actual Incursion content a little later means we can face the first of the new Incursions with proper combat salvaging capability :) I am very much in favor of the new approach of releasing stuff as it is ready to be released. On the other hand, there is a list a few pages long of stuff I want to be easy to release soon, prioritization of which is being handled by the CSM. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Rpeg Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2010.12.06 03:33:00 - [54] Originally by: Mara Rinn I am very much in favor of the new approach of releasing stuff as it is ready to be released. But if they're going to release content as it comes, which sounds fine, it doesn't entirely make sense to call that process or increments of content, an "expansion". Expansions are more commonly large packages of content. Not incremental releases. In fact they could make small incremental releases when anything is ready and tested. But I think it's awkward that Incursion 1.0 does not offer any actual "incursions". -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com
Red Emma Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.06 03:42:00 - [55] Originally by: ILikeMarkets 2 expansions a year. For free. No charge. And you are whining and complaining that they might start only putting out one a year and a partial release of another? For free? Games like WoW and EQ put out expansions once every couple years and charge out the ass for it. But we get 2 a year. For free. FFS... I hear this all the time, but remember: WoW and EQ charge because they produce a lot of content with their expansions. A new ship is not an "expansion", and to compare it to paid content expansions in other games is a joke. Bug fixes? You get that for free in other MMO patches, too. I'm not griping about Incursion, itself, as I am a fairly content player.
00383988003	Posted - 2010.12.06 04:04:00 - [56] Originally by: Rpeg This Incursion 1.0 release seems pointless and it seems they just should've waited until the entire thing is complete. Fricken love Autechre!
Fried'chickenisha	Posted - 2010.12.06 04:37:00 - [57] Im slow in the head I need my expansions feed to me a little at a time, that way i get to try everything out.
Rpeg Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2010.12.06 04:56:00 - [58] Originally by: 00383988003 Originally by: Rpeg This Incursion 1.0 release seems pointless and it seems they just should've waited until the entire thing is complete. Fricken love Autechre! Finally someone gets it. I've named my Typhoon Cipater and one of my other characters, Arch Carrier. If you like Autechre, you should check my winning remix for The Social Network Soundtrack: http://thehandsomestdrownedman.com -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com
Marchocias Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.12.06 12:31:00 - [59] Originally by: Florio How can anyone get to the stage where this kind of thing bothers them? A very sheltered upbringing, presumably. ---- I belong to Silent Ninja (Hopefully that should cover it).
Marchocias Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.12.06 16:44:00 - [60] Originally by: Rpeg Originally by: 00383988003 Originally by: Rpeg This Incursion 1.0 release seems pointless and it seems they just should've waited until the entire thing is complete. Fricken love Autechre! Finally someone gets it. I've named my Typhoon Cipater and one of my other characters, Arch Carrier. If you like Autechre, you should check my winning remix for The Social Network Soundtrack: http://thehandsomestdrownedman.com Their albums are always disappointing compared to their live output... I've got mates who insist Autechre suck, and I try and tell them 'listen to the live stuff... It's quality!' but they just don't understand ---- I belong to Silent Ninja (Hopefully that should cover it).

Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2010.12.06 16:49:00 - [61] Originally by: Genital Necrosis Here's a concern I have, CCP has thrown us the very bare bones of Incursion just to slap on the "Incursion" log in screen and to say it was released on schedule, pushing the meat of the content back 2 months. A long over-due ship, some number tweaking and some minor changes to the market do not constitute an expansion to me, it isn't even a "stage" of release, I have seen more content introduced in a patch. Does this mean that the body of my summer expansion will get pushed back 2 months as well? What about winter 2011? 1.5 expansions a year is a big step down from 2 and I hope that this is not considered "Okay" by our beloved dev-team. I lol'd. Commander Tac-Ops
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.12.06 16:57:00 - [62] Just in case CCP is reading.. here is one more voice for the 'it will be released when it's ready' supporter crowd Just had an idea for the mini-bugfixes for the UI that pop up every now and then. Can we get an option in the [ESC] menu not to get bothered by this, if we don't want to? Ya know, like normal programs have those 'automatically search for updates disable option'... just sayin. support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
Forum Guy	Posted - 2010.12.06 17:14:00 - [63] They were welcome in WoW, allowed me to see which direction the game was going in so that I could cancel Cataclysm in time.
LOL56 First Flying Wing Inc ROMANIAN-LEGION	Posted - 2010.12.06 17:34:00 - [64] I for one as excited and greatly pleased to see CCP slowing down and (hopefully) finish there stuff before shoving it out the door. i hope that any expansion that is in need of extra work (basically anything like the expansions since apocrypha) is delayed by 2, 3, or even 6 months so that CCP can do an excellent job. i hope the ARE setting a new and in my case very welcome precedent. I am willing to wait for quality. In fact I would vastly prefer waiting for quality to the least year or two of crap expansions (basically nothing good has come since apocrypha). I also really really wanted comets, treaties, and storefronts.
BBQfire	Posted - 2010.12.06 18:32:00 - [65] I've once said it in another thread - CCP's patch policy gross My metaphor: If you have a rusty spot on your car you can put some paint on it - but sooner or later the rust will spread and the paint will crumble. If you want to do it right - grind the rust down and paint it after that. It will look much better and hold longer! I was really laughing after I patched the game and started "Incursion" the first time, only to see that I have to download the next fix.
Ghengis Tia	Posted - 2010.12.06 20:44:00 - [66] Us solo players need a fleet sign-up office so's we can participate. Hard to trust some yahoo on local that says "just join my fleet, everything will be fine".... I'm still wrestling with the whole incursion idea from a solo player perspective. May be a big non-event for us types. Not complaining, as every expansion can't be for every player.... As far as the delayed rollout, meh. Better to delay than get it wrong....
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.06 20:54:00 - [67] Edited by: Cipher Jones on 06/12/2010 20:54:28 Originally by: Genital Necrosis Here's a concern I have, CCP has thrown us the very bare bones of Incursion just to slap on the "Incursion" log in screen and to say it was released on schedule, pushing the meat of the content back 2 months. A long over-due ship, some number tweaking and some minor changes to the market do not constitute an expansion to me, it isn't even a "stage" of release, I have seen more content introduced in a patch. Does this mean that the body of my summer expansion will get pushed back 2 months as well? What about winter 2011? 1.5 expansions a year is a big step down from 2 and I hope that this is not considered "Okay" by our beloved dev-team. There's so many of these threads written by true whiners. You are the scum of the internet. Seriously, you post misinformed **** because you did not get what you want. 1. I freely admit Incursion has more to be released. 2. What they did release is not by any means how you described it. If you feel they shorted you then put a serious thread in the ideas and suggestions forum. Making a whine thread in general discussion is deplorable. The do have a CSM team, they worked with the CSM team this expansion, and released what the majority of fans want. Not everybody can get what they want everytime. Your parents will vouch for that.
Kyra Felann Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.12.06 21:48:00 - [68] I, for one, would rather have a late expansion rather than one that's on-time and unfinished coughtyranniscough. I see the early stages as something to tide us over until then, and the November stage was full of some of the very welcome improvements and fixes that we've been wanting for years. I think this is definitely a step toward the "Commitment to Excellence" that CCP has been touting. Honestly, I just think you like to complain. -----WARNING SIGNATURE BELOW----- Originally by: CCP Ginger Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.


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