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Rusty Waynne Caldari Waynne Industries	Posted - 2010.12.11 15:27:00 - [91] Edited by: Rusty Waynne on 11/12/2010 15:27:37 Glad I invested training into efficient mission running ships. That way when Hulkageddon comes I can take a break from mining and do some lvl4's.
Cal YeNosa	Posted - 2010.12.11 22:05:00 - [92] Originally by: Therion Deus Hahaha, haha, hahahahahaha. I almost wet myself reading this. If someone has a heart attack for losing their ship they have bigger problems to worry about than a GAME. Oh that is So true. ROFL!!! It is just a game to have fun in.
Sheila Fay	Posted - 2010.12.12 18:35:00 - [93] I am a care bear at heart and do understand some of the concerns of those speaking out against Hulkageddon: In EvE every action has its concequences.... except hulkageddon.... for those committing the acts. Killing Hulks is easy and completely free for those doing it. And they have a good chance to win a lot in it. The fact that it seems like a free ticket contradicts the basic concept of EvE. I think we should not and can not ban "Hulkageddons" for that breaks the concept of the sandbox. My solution would be (and I think it also has larger implications in warfare etc.) to make it possible for players to determine who they want to trade with or not. Right now if I buy, I can not tell who I buy from. If I sell I can not tell who I sell to. Only after the fact I know a name. If I'm a carebear and I have to accept PvP players destroying my Hulk, at least I would like to have the opportunity to withhold my minerals from the players that f***ed my ship to peaces. That would restore a bit of the balance in the game and give the mining and production community a bit of teeth to bite back with like trade embargoes. At least organisers and winners will know that their alts will be paying premium prices for everything after collecting the profits from Hulkageddon. I always wondered why I could not determine more closely who I want to sell to or not. Supplying my enemy does not sound like a good idea. If CCP wants to restore some balance here.... that would be what I would do.
Sheila Fay	Posted - 2010.12.12 20:01:00 - [94] Edited by: Sheila Fay on 12/12/2010 20:01:39 << sorry - double post >>
Greg Huff	Posted - 2010.12.12 20:55:00 - [95] Edited by: Greg Huff on 12/12/2010 20:56:08 Originally by: Sheila Fay I am a care bear at heart and do understand some of the concerns of those speaking out against Hulkageddon: In EvE every action has its concequences.... except hulkageddon.... for those committing the acts. Killing Hulks is easy and completely free for those doing it. And they have a good chance to win a lot in it. The fact that it seems like a free ticket contradicts the basic concept of EvE. They do not go without consequence. From the attacks I've seen, counting one against me, they lose far more ships than they kill. They also take security status hits, which might be relatively minor in the overall scheme, but it's something. Originally by: Sheila Fay I think we should not and can not ban "Hulkageddons" for that breaks the concept of the sandbox. My solution would be (and I think it also has larger implications in warfare etc.) to make it possible for players to determine who they want to trade with or not. Right now if I buy, I can not tell who I buy from. If I sell I can not tell who I sell to. Only after the fact I know a name. If I'm a carebear and I have to accept PvP players destroying my Hulk, at least I would like to have the opportunity to withhold my minerals from the players that f***ed my ship to peaces. That would restore a bit of the balance in the game and give the mining and production community a bit of teeth to bite back with like trade embargoes. At least organisers and winners will know that their alts will be paying premium prices for everything after collecting the profits from Hulkageddon. I always wondered why I could not determine more closely who I want to sell to or not. Supplying my enemy does not sound like a good idea. If CCP wants to restore some balance here.... that would be what I would do. Have you thought about selling by contract? Or watch who buys your goods then start a discussion with them. You might be able to make some private business arrangements.
Master Flakattack	Posted - 2010.12.13 23:20:00 - [96] Originally by: Greg Huff They do not go without consequence. From the attacks I've seen, counting one against me, they lose far more ships than they kill. They also take security status hits, which might be relatively minor in the overall scheme, but it's something. If the sec status hit was anything to worry about, do you honestly think Hulkageddon would be so popular? I think the man made a point. EVE is a game of actions and consequences. Popping hulks is a fairly consequence free action, especially because many gankers use alts and sit in NPC corps. Even if gankers were to hit a well armed and very angry corporation, what is said corporation going to do to a bunch of Hulkageddon alts? Now I know the traders and miners keep themselves stocked in preparation for the event... but what would happen if Hulkageddon were to drag on longer than normal? And in the nature of such questions, would Hulkageddon be as popular as it is if pirates hadn't driven everyone out of low-sec? My advice to the miners: get some missions in or scan down some plexes or something. Don't give the gankers the satisfaction of padding their killboards with your name.
DrGreenthumb UnceUnce	Posted - 2010.12.14 03:01:00 - [97] OP = Troll?
MightyChin	Posted - 2010.12.14 15:30:00 - [98] Originally by: NO HULKAGEDDON This is in safe space empire and they must hack the police to not respond in time like they should because this is outrageous. I give you a 6/10 just because of all the people you where able to troll
TheGoodTrader	Posted - 2010.12.15 14:53:00 - [99] Show us on the doll where the bad GankalystÖ touched you. Yes I am a miner and I support Hulkaggedon. Nothing better than watching your competition drown in their own tears.
Eastman Color	Posted - 2010.12.15 15:27:00 - [100] Originally by: NO HULKAGEDDON Is this not against rules and should not be?? No it's not, eve is pvp, unlucky
Xirin	Posted - 2010.12.15 15:38:00 - [101] Kept mining in Hulks during the last Hulkageddon. Kept hoping someone would try to gank me, you know, bring some excitement to the boredom that is mining. Kept my eye on local excitedly expecting a gang of tempests to jump in! Left disappointed...
NO HULKAGEDDON	Posted - 2010.12.15 18:45:00 - [102] Laugh with clowns but i shall have last... I have made the contacts with several mercanary killers corp and justice is coming to psycopath killers! more names above added to list of griefer scums who will merit punishments. to pick on peacemakers of industry is lowest crime form u will be shamed
nmap	Posted - 2010.12.15 22:29:00 - [103] Edited by: nmap on 15/12/2010 22:32:26 Originally by: NO HULKAGEDDON Laugh with clowns but i shall have last... I have made the contacts with several mercanary killers corp and justice is coming to psycopath killers! more names above added to list of griefer scums who will merit punishments. to pick on peacemakers of industry is lowest crime form u will be shamed Blowhard.
Korg Leaf Time Bandits.	Posted - 2010.12.16 12:30:00 - [104] Originally by: NO HULKAGEDDON Laugh with clowns but i shall have last... I have made the contacts with several mercanary killers corp and justice is coming to psycopath killers! more names above added to list of griefer scums who will merit punishments. to pick on peacemakers of industry is lowest crime form u will be shamed Add me to that list, im not actually going to participate this year, but I love a good wardec. Plus I doubt many of the good merc corps would bother with your contract.
Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2010.12.16 14:58:00 - [105] I call shenanigans. NO HULKAGEDDON is Helicity Boson's alt. There's just no way that someone can be this unintelligent. Alright, I take that back. Ankhabmepedfkfdkldfapd was pretty crazy. - "When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed." - CCP Big Dumb Object
Tasko Pal Spallated Garniferous Schist	Posted - 2010.12.16 15:46:00 - [106] Originally by: TheGoodTrader Show us on the doll where the bad GankalystÖ touched you. Yes I am a miner and I support Hulkaggedon. Nothing better than watching your competition drown in their own tears. LOL. There were many red flag touches. Originally by: MightyChin Originally by: NO HULKAGEDDON This is in safe space empire and they must hack the police to not respond in time like they should because this is outrageous. I give you a 6/10 just because of all the people you where able to troll This thread is like those restaurants with the annoying mascots. You keep coming back for the greasy cheeseburgers. As an aside, I googled Hulkaggeddon a while ago and didn't see any info on when the next bout of it will happen (got the webpage for the last one). Could someone point me to info on the latest for this exotic Eve experience?
Lady Ayeipsia	Posted - 2010.12.16 15:53:00 - [107] Honestly, so the miners who know about Hulkageadon dock up for a week, or they enjoy it themselves. Nothing's quite as satisfying as watching that ganker get popped by concord because your Hulk is tank beyond belief. Or if you are worried, go mine in a Rokh. Sure, not as fast and the cargo hold isn't quite as big, but it's got a nice shield buffer. With the right setup, you can run 8 lasers, 2 invuln fields, and then some. Stay aligned out, keep a set of ECM drones on hand, and you should be fine. Or even better, have some RR handy. Really, it's not that big of an issue.
egot istical	Posted - 2010.12.16 19:15:00 - [108] Man up or **** off to wow.
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.12.17 13:11:00 - [109] Originally by: Andrea Griffin I call shenanigans. NO HULKAGEDDON is Helicity Boson's alt. There's just no way that someone can be this unintelligent. Alright, I take that back. Ankhabmepedfkfdkldfapd was pretty crazy. I take offense to that. My spelling is far superior, also this happens every time, and suddenly every moron is my alt so meh. Also, most people in this thread are ill-informed, or just monumentally stupid. Pirates don't use alts to kill hulks, last year's winner sure didn't. We are already -10, we don't care about sec status hits. Also, please do "tank" your hulk, I'm sure it will help you a lot. RR too! Do you people even PLAY this game?
Aphrodite Skripalle Galactic Defence Consortium	Posted - 2010.12.17 13:52:00 - [110] The unfair Point of Hulkageddon for me is, 0.0 high skilled and sometimes bored long time players who can make 100-300 mill a day with ratting in 0.0 space are ganking Hulks in highsec. Very often the highsec people have little to no chance for any revenge. The standing loss and the money for the gankers is so minimal, they will get the isk back in a short afternoon. The low skilled empire pilot has a harder time to reimburse his hulk and will have no chance to follow the pirate to kill him for this. So fun or not fun, this is quite an unfair situation. IMHO it is much more fun for me to attack players in a hostile alliance who have a chance to defend themselves. Hulkageddon is sort of a pathetic action for me, quite interesting to watch the statistics, yes but i do not participate in grieving empire players (as long as they are not macroing or botting).
Liev Dleg	Posted - 2010.12.17 14:07:00 - [111] It will be fun! Why? Because i'm a Multi Account Player and what skilled my Gangleader? Right! Logistics LVL5. For PVE and PVP Players it is easy to fit a "cheap" ship that can kill a Hulk before Concorede arrives. My Mining Chars will wait for them and Concorde will do the right with them. Remember the Video "Eve online - When Carebears Attack! - Hulk (Exhumer) PvP" And all will be fine. And i see another good chance: The damn Macro Miners will blow away or stay log off from the game. No one can talk to me that all the miners in no corp are working the right way.
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.12.17 17:29:00 - [112] Originally by: Aphrodite Skripalle The unfair Point of Hulkageddon for me is, 0.0 high skilled and sometimes bored long time players who can make 100-300 mill a day with ratting in 0.0 space are ganking Hulks in highsec. Very often the highsec people have little to no chance for any revenge. The standing loss and the money for the gankers is so minimal, they will get the isk back in a short afternoon. The low skilled empire pilot has a harder time to reimburse his hulk and will have no chance to follow the pirate to kill him for this. So fun or not fun, this is quite an unfair situation. IMHO it is much more fun for me to attack players in a hostile alliance who have a chance to defend themselves. Hulkageddon is sort of a pathetic action for me, quite interesting to watch the statistics, yes but i do not participate in grieving empire players (as long as they are not macroing or botting). I underlined the part where you make foolish and incorrect assumptions. Indeed nullseccers rarely participate in Hulkageddon, and 300 mil per day is a jokingly small amount of isk.
Mira Robinson Arkons of Myth	Posted - 2010.12.17 18:46:00 - [113] NOHULK, if you word your merc contracts the same way you word your posts, no self-respecting mercenary would accept any contract you offer. Hellicty, more power to ya. ----------------------------- Welcome to EVE. Ship happens.
TheGoodTrader	Posted - 2010.12.18 15:03:00 - [114] Originally by: Tasko Pal Originally by: TheGoodTrader Show us on the doll where the bad GankalystÖ touched you. Yes I am a miner and I support Hulkaggedon. Nothing better than watching your competition drown in their own tears. LOL. There were many red flag touches. PLEX for CP (Carebear P***)! I endorse of this set of microtransactions!
Athar Mu Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.12.18 20:30:00 - [115] Erm lol? (didn't read the thread or the OP just the title). Also Concord provides consequences not prevention.
Acac Sunflyier	Posted - 2010.12.19 11:02:00 - [116] I think its fine. It drives up mineral prices. Stimulates the market into production. And completely legal. If you want to try and bow up a miner before CONCORD shows up then go for it. Personally I know I can survive the first blast. Then I get to sit back and laugh at the poirates getting blown up themselves. After which, I loot their corpse.
nissia x	Posted - 2010.12.19 17:34:00 - [117] Originally by: Tasko Pal : Could someone point me to info on the latest for this exotic Eve experience? [/quote the exotic part is long gone tbh whining miners, chestbeating alts, put some hulks in the oven... rinse and repeat every odd few months. Something like a goonaggedon might get me out of my cave for a few times though
Sheila Fay	Posted - 2010.12.19 21:31:00 - [118] Originally by: Greg Huff Edited by: Greg Huff on 12/12/2010 20:56:08 <snip> Have you thought about selling by contract? Or watch who buys your goods then start a discussion with them. You might be able to make some private business arrangements. Ahum.... that only works if you know in advance who you want sell to. On open market contracts you can not limit who buys in any way so that is no help what so ever. Those buying will never talk (why would they... there is nothing in it for them). No, I remain at my point of view that this game is unbalanced in this respect. From what I have seen from CCP they will not balance it ever unless forced by their own balance sheets and top management. I always recommend beginners to not go for mining. Go for ratting and salvaging or something like that. It can make about the same isk per hour in early game and will out perform mining massively later on. If all beginners stop mining.... lets see that happens to EvE, the market and production. Maybe then CCP will do something.
Karn Velora	Posted - 2010.12.20 03:30:00 - [119] Well, I'm a bit surprised about this myself. Kamikaze attacks are an intended part of the game, though, one would hope that it's intended to be rare, costly, and only done in order to cause grave damage to an enemy, or to steal something exceptionally valuable. I can respect a group that sacrifices 1 billion isk worth of hardware, to get their hands on 2 billion isk worth of loot. However, such "big scores" are rare indeed. This used to be rare. When dealing with anything but the big scores, the intended mechanic for pvp is called "war declaration" or "low sec". It gives people a heads up, and it lets them chose to hide, defend themselves, or hire mercenaries of their own to engage the enemy right back. It's the intended mechanic for a simple reason: pvp is supposed to be a two-way street, and mostly voluntary. Suicide ganks, is neither. Hulkageddon is simply an unbalanced mechanic taken too far. It's too easy to suicide gank, and the cost in sec rating, standing and money isn't high enough by a long shot. When suicide gankings are clearly unprofitable even before the attack begins, and aimed at random targets - clearly such action is questionable at best, and griefing at worst. Now this isn't explicitly against the rules as such, but it's definitely a borderline case. The fact that the enire "event" focuses on destroying the most expensive, popular, and defenseless ships around only further raises concerns about the organiser and all participants. I'm sure CCP are aware that pointless gankings are on the rise to say the very least, and they need to address the issue in one way or another - and soon. In the meantime though, I can't help but make the following observation: Certain individuals say "carebear" as if it was a bad thing. Some people just don't like the pvp aspect of the game, and that btw is a HUGE portion of the player base. Only a moron can expect an industrial ship to stand and fight, rather than run. The funny part is who actually spits out the word carebear as an insult: bubblegum pirates. They hide under the same CONCORD umbrella as the carebears. They avoid low and null sec in the same way. They run from wars and fair fights - where the carebears at least only run from unfair fights. Unlike the carebears though, they get their kicks from unfair fights - attacking defenseless targets, by circumventing intended pvp functionality. I really fail to see how these people in any way could be better than carebears... What's to respect about suicide ganking a mining ship for no profit? "Haha I made a carebear cry?" If that's the motivation, then there's no question about it - it's griefing. Grow the ** up. I respect a proper pirate. I remember "Keta Min", flying around low sec in a Machariel a few years ago. Fearless. Making a PROFIT. Risking life and limb, not to mention hundreds of millions of isk in hardware, every day. Me and my alts lost a fair share of ships to that one, and I respect her. Bubblegum pirates though... grinding missions to get isk, and then wasting the isk on suicide ganking random miners in high sec? Griefers and **ers the lot of them. Game would be better off without them, and if CCP ever wake up and smell the burning hulks, hopefully they'll be expelled into low sec quickly enough. CCP already made it illegal to kill off your low sec rating pirates, and if that's not a way to try to limit high sec gankings, I don't know what is. CCP are aware that there's a problem. Don't expect them to sit around and watch quietly forever, while paying customers feel they are being targeted by griefers. Personally, I'd like to see a -2 standing and -2 sec rating hit with every ship destroyed in high sec or something along those lines, as it should be. Empires wouldn't have any interest of keeping these people around. Since we don't have courts and jails - quickly banishing pirates to low sec would be the logical option.
Karn Velora	Posted - 2010.12.20 03:33:00 - [120] Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm flying my T1 hauler into low sec to get some work done. There's less pirates out there.

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