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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2010.12.04 21:52:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 04/12/2010 21:52:21 So I've been gone for like a year, you know just came back to look at the new features, and wait for the new forum (it's true) and while I was on SiSi with my 10 million sp to put whever I want. (woot) I was thinking... whats the fastest Tech3 ship I can make?
Let me explain I used to be one of those vagabond crazy people, even though I did agree with the "nerf" since I knew it was overpowered.
But anyways I was EFTing it up and saw that 3 of the "new" Loki bonuses are
1.Afterburner speed bonus 2.Powergrid bonus 3.Sig radius reducion
OK, WOAH, so I got to fitting and here is what I came up with.
no rigs tech2 fit 75m Sig radius 1679m/s With an afterburner 100MN double web tracking disruptor 30,000 effective EHP with mods
And I can still fit a full rack of guns and 3 gyros.
OH MY GOD, this is awesome! And I've not even using a faction Afterburner (couldn't find in EFT)
This is silly, half the size of a cruiser, that moves at 2400m/s when overloading.
Anyways discuss, i thought nano was dead. :P
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Shiho Weitong
Caldari Koa Mai Hoku
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Posted - 2010.12.04 21:56:00 -
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Try the HAM fit instead, no tracking issues and going at same speeds = Kinky. ----------- Why is it called common sense, when it's clearly very rare.
I had a mind once, but alas, I seem to have forgotten where I left it.
Originally by: Tchell Dahhn You win, and thank you. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.12.04 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon 1679m/s With an afterburner 100MN
Yes, wellà
Now try turning. Hell, try going in a straight line. You'll notice some problems with this fairly quicklyà |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2010.12.04 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: MotherMoon 1679m/s With an afterburner 100MN
Yes, wellà
Now try turning. Hell, try going in a straight line. You'll notice some problems with this fairly quicklyà
hmmmmm 10 million sp .... *goes off to test server to play with missile fit. |
Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.12.04 22:05:00 -
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I wish nano's weren't dead, cause that was another dimension of PvP the CCP destroyed in their need to cater toward brainless masses
I experimented with 100mn AB/MWD on cruiser sized ships, it has very limited applications (mostly about running away) and absolutely no way to orbit your target effectively |
Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2010.12.04 22:09:00 -
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it isnt dead... but it's not through oversized propulsion that you'll achieve your goal.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2010.12.04 22:11:00 -
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hmmm I wonder how this fit would work out with the agility bonuses instead...
maybe there is a way to get enough agility bonuses to compensate?
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Shiho Weitong
Caldari Koa Mai Hoku
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Posted - 2010.12.04 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon hmmm I wonder how this fit would work out with the agility bonuses instead...
maybe there is a way to get enough agility bonuses to compensate?
There is, but I'm not giving you everything for free... ^^ ----------- Why is it called common sense, when it's clearly very rare.
I had a mind once, but alas, I seem to have forgotten where I left it.
Originally by: Tchell Dahhn You win, and thank you. |
Xaelion
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Posted - 2010.12.04 22:54:00 -
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100mn ab on cruiser or bc only work in eft. You will have a terrible accelleration because of the mass addition.
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Shiho Weitong
Caldari Koa Mai Hoku
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Posted - 2010.12.04 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Xaelion 100mn ab on cruiser or bc only work in eft. You will have a terrible accelleration because of the mass addition.
True, but also irrelevant if done right. ----------- Why is it called common sense, when it's clearly very rare.
I had a mind once, but alas, I seem to have forgotten where I left it.
Originally by: Tchell Dahhn You win, and thank you. |
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2010.12.04 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 04/12/2010 23:10:46
Originally by: Shiho Weitong
Originally by: Xaelion 100mn ab on cruiser or bc only work in eft. You will have a terrible accelleration because of the mass addition.
True, but also irrelevant if done right.
gets to work
also no one seems to be commenting on the fact that a cruiser with 75m sig radius and the dps of the hurricane (250m sig radius) is nuts.
75m is almost half of the sig radius of a medium auto cannon, that's a 50% chance to dodge weapons of your class while standing still.
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Hazavwa
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Posted - 2010.12.04 23:17:00 -
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Edited by: Hazavwa on 04/12/2010 23:17:41 Theres a few nice examples of this in some pvp vids where people use 100mn afterburner tengu's and fly around in pairs. Its pritty epic what they can do. Probably full set of snakes and dead space and all ofc. Can't think of them off the top of my head, if anyone does please post.
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2010.12.05 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 05/12/2010 00:12:15 Garmonation 8, I believe.
http://vip3r.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7036732 http://vip3r.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7446343 http://vip3r.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7526082
[Tengu, Endless Subversion's Tengu] Damage Control II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Cormack's Modified Reactor Control Unit
Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster Core A-Type 100MN Afterburner Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Photon Scattering Field II
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
IMHO the stats don't look anything special, but it's the combo and the pilots that make it work so well. Note they went with the AB speed boost SS even though the Tengu has an agility one.
As best I can tell, an armour 100MN AB loki comes out near double the EHP of the shield one, though less agile, but this time you're surely causing yourself tracking issues with 425mms whereas missiles are unaffected.
Edit: for god's stake rig a T3. Even most T2 shield rigs are cheap enough to swap about.
Basically browse http://vip3r.eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=8028&view=losses&scl_id=40, and ignore Amber Saint's ganglink loki losses. |
Valtis Thermalion
Caldari Nihilists Social Club
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Posted - 2010.12.05 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: Valtis Thermalion on 05/12/2010 00:27:36
Originally by: MotherMoon
also no one seems to be commenting on the fact that a cruiser with 75m sig radius and the dps of the hurricane (250m sig radius) is nuts.
75m is almost half of the sig radius of a medium auto cannon, that's a 50% chance to dodge weapons of your class while standing still.
Tracking doesn't work like that, see http://wiki.eve-id.net/Tracking. You'll notice that sig radius and tracking have same effect on your probability to hit target, and that should transversal velocity be zero, they won't have any effect on your to-hit-probability.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2010.12.05 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Valtis Thermalion Edited by: Valtis Thermalion on 05/12/2010 00:27:36
Originally by: MotherMoon
also no one seems to be commenting on the fact that a cruiser with 75m sig radius and the dps of the hurricane (250m sig radius) is nuts.
75m is almost half of the sig radius of a medium auto cannon, that's a 50% chance to dodge weapons of your class while standing still.
Tracking doesn't work like that, see http://wiki.eve-id.net/Tracking. You'll notice that sig radius and tracking have same effect on your probability to hit target, and that should transversal velocity be zero, they won't have any effect on your to-hit-probability.
ahh the eve tracking guide threw me off.
so having half of the sig as the gun shooting at you would mean the effective radians/second is doubled?
since it would be radians (transversal/range) times .5
Ok well it's still awesome :P
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2010.12.05 02:46:00 -
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You need a nomad set and alot of nanos just to align in a reasonable time for a battleship.
Sorry but its not really that great unless you have a huge wallet. There are plenty of nice fits for people with big wallets.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2010.12.05 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc You need a nomad set and alot of nanos just to align in a reasonable time for a battleship.
Sorry but its not really that great unless you have a huge wallet. There are plenty of nice fits for people with big wallets.
we're talking about Tech 3 cruisers....
Speaking of which, I think the loki as a missle 1600m/s ship might be even better than a tengu due to the web bonus.
yes? no?
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Shiho Weitong
Caldari Koa Mai Hoku
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Posted - 2010.12.05 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Shiho Weitong on 05/12/2010 14:13:41
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: TimMc You need a nomad set and alot of nanos just to align in a reasonable time for a battleship.
Sorry but its not really that great unless you have a huge wallet. There are plenty of nice fits for people with big wallets.
we're talking about Tech 3 cruisers....
Speaking of which, I think the loki as a missle 1600m/s ship might be even better than a tengu due to the web bonus.
yes? no?
Nvm
Ed: stupidity ----------- Why is it called common sense, when it's clearly very rare.
I had a mind once, but alas, I seem to have forgotten where I left it.
Originally by: Tchell Dahhn You win, and thank you. |
Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.05 15:16:00 -
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Those who claim nanoships are dead are whining, clueless morons. Nanoships are not IWIN buttons anymore, but speedtanking has a valid, balanced role now. However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
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rain9441
Big Head Want Dolly
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Posted - 2010.12.05 16:00:00 -
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If you have half the sig radius of the gun's resolution, you will be taking 25% of the damage rather than 100%. It has nothing to do with tracking. It's a pi*r^2 vs pi*(2r)^2. Being webbed doesnt matter either. I don't recall how missiles work exactly, but I think its fairly similar.
http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Signature_radius
From the article
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Mathematical analysis
One may consider the fact that an object would have a sphere surrounding it to represent it as a target, rather than a circle. However, regardless of the position from which you fire upon the object, you only view its radius as a circle, as the volume of the sphere simply overlaps everywhere. Therefore, we "flatten" out the sphere, and only consider the largest possible cross-section of the sphere, what is known as the "Great Circle" of the sphere.
The area of a circle is π*r¦, or, approximately, 3.14*r¦.
Let us consider a ship with a 1m signature radius. The circle made by this radius has an area of π*1m*1m , or 3.14m¦. A weapon firing at this ship has a 2m signature resolution, creating an area π*2m*2m , or 12.56m¦, within which this weapon's shots will strike. When we divide the area of the ship's signature radius by the area of the weapon's signature resolution, we have 3.14 divided by 12.56, which equals 1/4. Therefore the ship will take 1/4 the possible damage the shot would have done, assuming optimal firing distance.
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