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Harcole
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Posted - 2005.01.15 16:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Drilla
Facts are we are here, we've been here for more than a year and we are still here and have with great ease repelled any attemps to change this.
We are The Keiretsu, we are one and we are right here.
Strange how facts can be read differently by anyone... less than 4 months ago Alcatraz was CA and was in teh GWL. CoreTech was part of CA but as far as memory serves, you were located in or around HLW.
We are merely returning to our motherland.
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Drilla
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Posted - 2005.01.15 18:27:00 -
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Actually CoreTech was not around when you were in CA as it's a merger of different people from different corps. And it's more than 4 months ago ALTZ got kicked out of CA.
We've never had HLW as base of operations - we've always been in GW/Insmother.
Just setting facts straight - no flames intended.
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Kreep13
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Posted - 2005.01.15 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Harcole
Originally by: Drilla
Facts are we are here, we've been here for more than a year and we are still here and have with great ease repelled any attemps to change this.
We are The Keiretsu, we are one and we are right here.
Strange how facts can be read differently by anyone... less than 4 months ago Alcatraz was CA and was in teh GWL. CoreTech was part of CA but as far as memory serves, you were located in or around HLW.
We are merely returning to our motherland.
Shows how much you know... Nothing... CoreTech is a pure PvP wing of Softice that was formed when CET and Softice,both protectorates of GW before and now that CA has disbanded, merged into a unified corporation. Softice does PvP but Coretech is a unified unit of mostly veteran pvpers from both corporations.
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Velios
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Posted - 2005.01.15 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Velios on 15/01/2005 21:28:40
M.Corp is proud to be amongst the founding corporations of the Keiretsu. We have a goal and vision for this alliance that is taking shape day by day. We of course were involved in talks with the group known as "The Foundation" at the very inception of our alliance to see if they shared the same goals as us. Being ex-ca corps for the most part, we fully expected to welcome them with open arms into this new venture. Unfortunately their conceptions of anything "CA' are contorted and charged with bitterness. In the initial meeting we could feel this hostility tainting what should have been talks for the benefit of everyone. We from the Keiretsu pulled away from the talks, able to see that the path that lay before us was now set... and so the conflict began.
This will be a bloody battle between Keiretsu and Foundation, but our goals will not be undermined and we will continue to forge a new society, free from the burdens of the old ways. This is a fresh start and the momentum and desire for change is with us.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2005.01.16 00:45:00 -
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So nothing has changed, only now the oppressors will be active there instead of busy fighting elsewhere. Sad.
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Kay Rissa
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Posted - 2005.01.16 00:51:00 -
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Red Alliance council sends their highest considerations to The Keiretsu we hope that friendly relations that Red Alliance corporations have with The Keiretsu corporations will last forever!
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Drilla
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Posted - 2005.01.16 03:09:00 -
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We are brothers Kay Rissa - and blood is unbreakable (unless you steal our girls) 
But seriously - Red Alliance members are and has always been some of our best friends and will stay like that.
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LeBeau
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Posted - 2005.01.16 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Drilla
Actually CoreTech was not around when you were in CA as it's a merger of different people from different corps.
Speaking as an ex-member of Alcatraz, You were a member of CA when Alcatraz was a member as I mined with some of your guys....
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Noumena
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Posted - 2005.01.16 11:32:00 -
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why must i repeat myself.
i have been based out of the Great Wildlands just over a year and a half now. i have been beaten, bruised and slandered all for the need of living in my own home. what makes you think you can tell me where i can NOT live. you all are but shadows of your former "owners", and nothing more than upstart real estate pirates. may Eldur purify your hearts with a cleansing fire. burn...
the Grinder is here to stay...no one moves me.
Noumena
-Associate to the Foundation
P.S. to set the record straight...the Keiretsu only occupy GW during half a days time...if that.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.01.16 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Drilla
Actually CoreTech was not around when you were in CA as it's a merger of different people from different corps. And it's more than 4 months ago ALTZ got kicked out of CA.
We've never had HLW as base of operations - we've always been in GW/Insmother.
Just setting facts straight - no flames intended.
Purely, as you say, in the interests of keeping facts straight, it is (just) under four months since Alcatraz (and others) were kicked from the CA. I can confirm that, because it was the issue that prompted my resignation from a member corp's industrial operations, so I can timestamp that therefore from my Employment history rather accurately.
On a different note, I must say I'm saddened by this turn of events as I have respect for corporations on both sides, especially as I know the corporations involved were in many cases friends and worked well together in defending the region against the enemies of CA.
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2005.01.16 14:11:00 -
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With so much territory vacated after the departure of the CA, it saddens me to see the Great Wildlands closed once again to the Minmatar people. Several in this new alliance have stood and fought for free access to GW, at a different time.
The Thukkar Tribe are Minmatar, and all Minmatar should have access to the lands of thier brothers. The CA claimed an immense area, why is it you lay claim to this region? Why is it you close an area we Minmatar have always wanted free? Why is it the Minmatar corporations have turned thier backs on the desires of thier own people, desires they once believed in and fought for.
I can not wish you good luck, nor can I wish luck to any force closing the Great Wildlands. I speak for myself when I say that I am heartsick over seeing my brothers and sisters, once part of an alliance to keep the GW region free, now turned against our people.
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Hamish
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Posted - 2005.01.16 21:57:00 -
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*cough* Guess I shouldn't post while drunk 
The Hamish Saga - by HellGremlin |
Velios
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Posted - 2005.01.17 00:17:00 -
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The Keiretsu is looking forward to fruitful talks with Ushra'Khan in the near future. Things are not as you think brothers. All will become clear soon - in the meantime I expect to see no hostilities between The Keiretsu and Ushra'Khan I hope this stance is reciprocated. |
Eddie Gordo
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Posted - 2005.01.17 00:46:00 -
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Then perhaps you would like to explain why my daughter Kainda Gordo (ooc - alt) was repeatedly shot down while on a recon mission last week (good thing reapers are free)
I do not think it wise to try and kill the daughter of a senior alliance member when you intend to be on friendly terms. We are neutral for now and would love nothing more than peace, and co-operation however a line must be drawn somewhere.
CA kept its space closed to all, and look what happend....
Instas??
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Hamish
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Posted - 2005.01.17 01:36:00 -
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Something to talk about in private I think Eddie, frankly so far I don't like the way Keiretsu have been treating neutrals, peaceful inhabitants and visitors of the Great Wildlands..
But we'll see what's what later.
The Hamish Saga - by HellGremlin |
Trilluim
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Posted - 2005.01.17 07:13:00 -
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Edited by: Trilluim on 17/01/2005 07:33:14
Interesting. So the Masuat'aa warrior clan would assume to represent the interests of the Thukker Tribe? (Assuming "Thukkar" was merely a spelling error - the lack of respect... *Trill shakes head*) I wonder how the Thukker elders would feel about another sect claiming Thukker space to be open to any dirty swab that would come snooping into Great Wildlands. Was it the Masuat'aa that settled Great Wildlands? Is it the Masuat'aa whom work to maintain three starbases in operation under constant harassment by Sanshas and Blood Raiders? Who are the Masuat'aa to speak for all Minmitar, much less the Thukkers, on their wishes for the future of Great Wildlands? I also wonder how the Republic would feel about Masuat'aa aligning themselves with Foundation, a group that has dragged their war into Republic space, violating the peace in the border system of Egbinger on a daily basis. The Ushra'Khan have done a great many honorable things for the Minmitar race, but that hardly seems to give them the rights over the Thukker Tribe to open Great Wildlands. Yes, very interesting indeed.
Respect is well deserved for Noumena and his Organ Grinder Corporation. They seem to have managed to stay in existence in Great Wildlands despite the decree by Curse Alliance long ago that they must vacate. I remember stories from my father (who spent a lot of time running security for a mining operation in V-IH6B) about the infamous TOGCO, stubborn despite all the odds stacked against them. However, taking on the daunting task of maintaining oneself and organization as a backwater stowaway must have been a mere matter of choice. Alliances controlling GW have more than once offered to have them as official members. Underground life must be good, or music from a box deep in a cold, dark closet pretty lucrative. Each to his own I suppose.
The perhaps tragic irony of what is unfolding is that Foundation will certainly grow into nothing different from the very thing it claims to hate and TOGCO (among other idealistic groups, like the UrshraÆKhan and Knights of the Wild) will find itself right in the thick of it. They better hope that hypocrisy tastes good when the curtains part. A common enemy can only rationalize denial of political differences on this scale for so long, especially when the enemy they are uniting to fight is really a ghost within themselves rather than the Keiretsu. So says my old political science professor at the university anyways. Some sort of metaphor for FoundationÆs old grudges toward the former CA I presume.
Yet certainly, only time will tell if the Keiretsu is facing a fate any different from that of the skeletons rattling in its closet. Already accusations of unnecessarily brutal territory enforcement are being raised. Then again, I supposed that might be exactly why the Thukkers would want to work with them.
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Liare
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Posted - 2005.01.17 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Eddie Gordo
Then perhaps you would like to explain why my daughter Kainda Gordo (ooc - alt) was repeatedly shot down while on a recon mission last week (good thing reapers are free)
I do not think it wise to try and kill the daughter of a senior alliance member when you intend to be on friendly terms. We are neutral for now and would love nothing more than peace, and co-operation however a line must be drawn somewhere.
CA kept its space closed to all, and look what happend....
let me explain Eddie. firstly your alt was warned about that it was closed space and thus asked to leave, since we assume people to have a memory (even post cloning) we expect not to repeat ourselves too often, there are plenty of people we simply do not ask to leave anymore but rather give a quick trip to a clone contract renewal. because this tends to get the message across better and faster.
furthermore the appearance of the said person often coinsided with a small or large scale hostile incursion, where standard operational procedure is that "anything that is not blue, dies".
this is simply caused by a desire to keep the makeup of our fleets as secret as possible, a understandable desire given that battles are often won and lost before the first round has been fired from a battleship. and how can we know if a "unknown" is helping our foe or not ? i have often engaged shuttles and frigates that where CLEARLY scouting for Foundation fleets.
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Velios
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Posted - 2005.01.17 10:06:00 -
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The Keiretsu standings with regard to Ushra'Khan have now been set to Do No Shoot while we begin talks throughout this week. In the meantime we would ask that your fleets and ships steer clear of foundation members in the area so as not toget swept up in the heat of battle.
Many thanks and safe flight. |
Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2005.01.17 10:16:00 -
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Good luck Guys, your a great bunch, keep it up, and jaabaa im gonna visit soon, lets get some loose gallante women ferried down there
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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Avernus
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Posted - 2005.01.17 11:28:00 -
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At some point (sooner rather than later), I'm really going to need to sit down and study what has actually happened in ex-CA space. In short, who the different groups are, what each of them stand for, and how they are aligned to everyone else. Not too mention exactly who is claiming where and what points of territorial overlap and conflict come into play
Until then, Congratulations to Keiretsu on the formation of your alliance, and my best wishes to you.
Time to go check out the latest incarnation of Quaraths map
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Keiretsu Blade
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Posted - 2005.01.17 12:24:00 -
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The Keiretsu officially welcome GateKeepers [GKS] into the Keiretsu family of corporations. Together may our guns aim true, our profits be high and our land remain safe. |
Darkrydar
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Posted - 2005.01.17 13:44:00 -
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GL to our brothers in arms.
Let it be known, Shinra is taking note on who is attacking our brothers. Draw your own conclusions.
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Charlena
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Posted - 2005.01.17 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sarkos
With so much territory vacated after the departure of the CA, it saddens me to see the Great Wildlands closed once again to the Minmatar people. Several in this new alliance have stood and fought for free access to GW, at a different time.
The Thukkar Tribe are Minmatar, and all Minmatar should have access to the lands of thier brothers. The CA claimed an immense area, why is it you lay claim to this region? Why is it you close an area we Minmatar have always wanted free? Why is it the Minmatar corporations have turned thier backs on the desires of thier own people, desires they once believed in and fought for.
I can not wish you good luck, nor can I wish luck to any force closing the Great Wildlands. I speak for myself when I say that I am heartsick over seeing my brothers and sisters, once part of an alliance to keep the GW region free, now turned against our people.
We'rent you the original drafter of the CA constitution that cloes the region anyway? Kinda hypocritical me thinks.
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Sokros
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Posted - 2005.01.17 14:02:00 -
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Edited by: Sokros on 17/01/2005 14:04:12
In all my time of fighting for the freedom of Great Wildlands and keeping it safe from the scum of the universe. Never once did I see a Masuat'aa Matari fleet come down and support us ever.
Then you think that you can roll down here and say that you are friends of the Thukker Tribe when we were the ones fighting day in and day out to keep their space safe. I dont think so.
So if you think you are going to get it easy just because you "say" that you are close friends with the Thukker Tribe and that you want to keep Great Wildlands an open space to all Minmitar. You are going to have a major obstacle to go over, thats for sure
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2005.01.17 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Charlena
Originally by: Sarkos
With so much territory vacated after the departure of the CA, it saddens me to see the Great Wildlands closed once again to the Minmatar people. Several in this new alliance have stood and fought for free access to GW, at a different time.
The Thukkar Tribe are Minmatar, and all Minmatar should have access to the lands of thier brothers. The CA claimed an immense area, why is it you lay claim to this region? Why is it you close an area we Minmatar have always wanted free? Why is it the Minmatar corporations have turned thier backs on the desires of thier own people, desires they once believed in and fought for.
I can not wish you good luck, nor can I wish luck to any force closing the Great Wildlands. I speak for myself when I say that I am heartsick over seeing my brothers and sisters, once part of an alliance to keep the GW region free, now turned against our people.
We'rent you the original drafter of the CA constitution that cloes the region anyway? Kinda hypocritical me thinks.
I drafted the CA Constitution, yes. I however did not agree with it, but since we were run by a council, I had to abide by it. Constant were my pleas to open it and allow free movement within, but I was always outvoted.
I knew then what a mistake that was, and I know now what a mistake closing GW is. From the time of my return from deepspace I have sought an end to a closed GW. Many have been my conversations with Eininhar Ulrich, an old friend and corpmate, regarding possible ways to open GW. This of course ended with the breakup of the CA.
Now is a time to start anew. The corridor from Molden Heath to and including the Great Wildlands should be open to all Minmatar. I have always believed this, and have verbaly fought for it. I argued for it from the days of The Molden Heath Defence Alliance, where Oracle stood side by side with Dental Drilling and Nomads, and I will argue for it until I draw my last breath.
Sarkos
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Horatio Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.01.17 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sokros
Edited by: Sokros on 17/01/2005 14:04:12
In all my time of fighting for the freedom of Great Wildlands and keeping it safe from the scum of the universe. Never once did I see a Masuat'aa Matari fleet come down and support us ever.
Then you think that you can roll down here and say that you are friends of the Thukker Tribe when we were the ones fighting day in and day out to keep their space safe. I dont think so.
So if you think you are going to get it easy just because you "say" that you are close friends with the Thukker Tribe and that you want to keep Great Wildlands an open space to all Minmitar. You are going to have a major obstacle to go over, thats for sure
So at which point were you around during the founding of the CA, do not assume because 2 great tribes merged (both of which were active in GW during our time in the CA) to become the masuat'aa matari. That we have no position to say we are not friends of the thukker tribe.
I cannot talk about your day in/day out fight with whomever you are fighting as you've chosen to keep the information about your side hidden (or maybe your just too young) so I don't know who your enemies are. Maybe the real enemies are your own ridiculous policies for command and control of the regions around you.
Your fight does not keep the space 'safe' your either hostile to one side, hostile to the other side, or hostile to all sides... how it that safe? What days do you undock in the complete reliance there's no one that wants to attack you? What days are there that you even feel marginally safe?
There's this great speech eariler which for some reason seems focussed around the masuat'aa warriors. Did your lack of intel not inform you of the other alliance pilots in our midst? It is not just the masuat'aa who cry out for a great wildlands free of in-fighting.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.01.17 15:05:00 -
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The Ushra'Khans sole purpose in that visit was to contact the Thukker Tribe as described here:
Press Release
That is all.
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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Velios
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Posted - 2005.01.17 15:30:00 -
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Let this thread not decsend into the abyss. Talks are due to take place between The Keiretsu and Ushra'Khan throughout the week. Sarkos, you may yet see the day when all loyal Minmatar pilots can traverse the stars of Great Wildlands in safety.
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Jaisan
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Posted - 2005.01.17 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Velios
Please allow talks to commence before taking a different path.
Would you walk half-way out of those talks too in a huff, to 'show your strength' ?
The Keiretsu seem to have no understanding of talks or compromise. Any straying from their narrow CA minded vision will not be tolerated.
They have acted nothing but hostile to those who want peace in the region.
Why did they declare Organ Grinders KOS ?
Why did they start hostilities towards Foundation ?
We still need to know these answers, I doubt they will be forthcoming.
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Mistress D'Malice
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Posted - 2005.01.17 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: Mistress D'Malice on 17/01/2005 18:16:15
I do believe it was The Keiretsu that opened talks with Alcatraz and friends about coming back to GW, was it not?
I do believe we invited you to come to E02 to discuss you joining the alliance, was it not?
And then you decided you wouldn't leave the GW area after the talks were over, was it not?
If peace is truly what you want, then openly camping B-VIP and systems inside The Great Wildlands would be counter productive to that end, no?
There is still room for open minded and civil talks regarding this subject my friend, but to simply post to incite the matter further will not help either side.
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