Originally by: Gallians

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I have a top of the line Radeon card and the frame rate is just as bad. Its server lag, not lag on your end.

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Originally by: Grez

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Originally by: Gallians

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I have a top of the line Radeon card and the frame rate is just as bad. Its server lag, not lag on your end.

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I'm not sure if you're just stupid, or a troll...

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Originally by: Gallians

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Eh, I have a Radeon 5870 1 gb Ram. If that is not able to run the invasion events without lag, I don't know what would be. I played one a couple of days ago and the framerate was pretty bad.

But please correct me if I am wrong, and it was graphics related lag. I didn't have all brackets on, or anything, either.

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Originally by: Cathleia

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Edited by: Cathleia on 05/12/2010 21:25:34

Originally by: Gallians

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Eh, I have a Radeon 5870 1 gb Ram. If that is not able to run the invasion events without lag, I don't know what would be. I played one a couple of days ago and the framerate was pretty bad.

But please correct me if I am wrong, and it was graphics related lag. I didn't have all brackets on, or anything, either.

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It could be driver related.

I have a GTX285 and I do not suffer from any lag, so it seems doubtful it's the card itself.

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Originally by: Gallians

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Originally by: Grez

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Originally by: Gallians

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I have a top of the line Radeon card and the frame rate is just as bad. Its server lag, not lag on your end.

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I'm not sure if you're just stupid, or a troll...

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Eh, I have a Radeon 5870 1 gb Ram. If that is not able to run the invasion events without lag, I don't know what would be. I played one a couple of days ago and the framerate was pretty bad.

But please correct me if I am wrong, and it was graphics related lag. I didn't have all brackets on, or anything, either.

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Originally by: Krxon Blade

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Also got Ati 5870 1GB card (Sapphire VaporX series, non overclocked)
and Eve runs smoothly.
2560x1440 resolution, antialiasing x2, everything else on max.
It runs smooth in both windowed or full screen mode.
Maybe you got drivers issue, or your CPU not in pair with your graphic card
I'm running it on more than 2yrs old Q9550 CPU (also non OCed)

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Originally by: Spurty

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AMD is never getting my RL cash ever again after the 5850 slowed my machine down.

Some serious performance loss from an nVidia 8800.

nVidia and Intel get my cash next upgrade.

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Originally by: Grez

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Originally by: Gallians

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I have a top of the line Radeon card and the frame rate is just as bad. Its server lag, not lag on your end.

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I'm not sure if you're just stupid, or troll...

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Originally by: Herping yourDerp

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so...
your an idiot?
L2 update drivers,
AMD processors are always weaker then intel

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Originally by: Tiliam

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Originally by: Gallians

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Originally by: Grez

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Originally by: Gallians

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I have a top of the line Radeon card and the frame rate is just as bad. Its server lag, not lag on your end.

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I'm not sure if you're just stupid, or a troll...

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Eh, I have a Radeon 5870 1 gb Ram. If that is not able to run the invasion events without lag, I don't know what would be. I played one a couple of days ago and the framerate was pretty bad.

But please correct me if I am wrong, and it was graphics related lag. I didn't have all brackets on, or anything, either.

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There's more to a computer than just the graphics card - cpu, ram, os, hdd speed/fragmentation and the overall condition of the software on a machine can make the fps stutter. I've never had anything less than ~60fps on my ATi gpu based machine.

Then again I'm seeing "lag" being used to describe fps and/or high latency/poor server response. FPS issues are purely down to your machine's hardware and can easily be identified by rotating the camera around your ship - if the movement is not smooth you have fps issues. If, on the other hand, the rotation is smooth yet things look unresponsive or ships seem to jump from location to location then that is either a bad connection or the server under load.

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Originally by: Jane Griffin

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FPS drops can be caused by server side lag. This video of 700 shuttles being smartbombed by a kronos will show you that...
computer spec:
[email protected]
285GTX
4GB ram
Gaming install on RAID 0 (2 drives wide).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjN3z3EP4wo

The mouse was being moved in a smooth rotation throughout the whole video though you see pauses as the server deals with the event.

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Originally by: Jane Griffin

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Originally by: Tiliam

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There's more to a computer than just the graphics card - cpu, ram, os, hdd speed/fragmentation and the overall condition of the software on a machine can make the fps stutter. I've never had anything less than ~60fps on my ATi gpu based machine.

Then again I'm seeing "lag" being used to describe fps and/or high latency/poor server response. FPS issues are purely down to your machine's hardware and can easily be identified by rotating the camera around your ship - if the movement is not smooth you have fps issues. If, on the other hand, the rotation is smooth yet things look unresponsive or ships seem to jump from location to location then that is either a bad connection or the server under load.

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FPS drops can be caused by server side lag. This video of 700 shuttles being smartbombed by a kronos will show you that...
computer spec:
[email protected]
285GTX
4GB ram
Gaming install on RAID 0 (2 drives wide).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjN3z3EP4wo

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Originally by: Jane Griffin

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Edited by: Jane Griffin on 06/12/2010 00:17:46
The game stopps for about a second but you dont see any idication of a fps drop?... *backs away*

I suppose it could be system lag but i somehow doubt it.

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Originally by: Jane Griffin

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The game stops for about a second but you dont see any indication of a fps drop?... *backs away*

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Originally by: Tiliam

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Edited by: Tiliam on 06/12/2010 00:23:28

Originally by: Jane Griffin

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Edited by: Jane Griffin on 06/12/2010 00:17:46
The game stopps for about a second but you dont see any idication of a fps drop?... *backs away*

I suppose it could be system lag but i somehow doubt it.

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It is all down to the local machine (mostly GPU related with that many effects as it's very GPU intensive) for the FPS drops - the server can not have any impact on FPS at all - this is an arcitectural thing - the server tells the client where the ships and other objects are, all rendering and everything to do with FPS is done on the local machine - this is why you can be playing eve, unplug your modem and the game is still rendered at the same FPS - the server has nothing to do with FPS.

Some people thing lag and FPS are one and the same because in massive blob fights you see both FPS drops and server side lag but that's because the server's having to deal with that many ships causing bad server response and server lag where things aren't happening while the client is having to try and render all the ships and effects, which takes their toll on a graphics card and CPU.

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Originally by: Jane Griffin

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Originally by: Tiliam

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Edited by: Tiliam on 06/12/2010 00:23:28

Originally by: Jane Griffin

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Edited by: Jane Griffin on 06/12/2010 00:17:46
The game stopps for about a second but you dont see any idication of a fps drop?... *backs away*

I suppose it could be system lag but i somehow doubt it.

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It is all down to the local machine (mostly GPU related with that many effects as it's very GPU intensive) for the FPS drops - the server can not have any impact on FPS at all - this is an arcitectural thing - the server tells the client where the ships and other objects are, all rendering and everything to do with FPS is done on the local machine - this is why you can be playing eve, unplug your modem and the game is still rendered at the same FPS - the server has nothing to do with FPS.

Some people thing lag and FPS are one and the same because in massive blob fights you see both FPS drops and server side lag but that's because the server's having to deal with that many ships causing bad server response and server lag where things aren't happening while the client is having to try and render all the ships and effects, which takes their toll on a graphics card and CPU.

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I edited but too slowly. The second pause was the before the smartbomb effect and WELL BEFORE any explosions had to be rendered.

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Originally by: Mme Pinkerton

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Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 05/12/2010 21:30:26

The live events on tq so far have shown that many, many people in high-sec don't seem to know how to set up EVE for fleet-fights.

Please make sure you have a reasonable setup (brackets, display settings, overview settings) before thinking about upgrading your hardware.

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Originally by: Gallians

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I have a top of the line Radeon card and the frame rate is just as bad. Its server lag, not lag on your end.

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Originally by: Tiliam

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Originally by: Jane Griffin

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Originally by: Tiliam

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Edited by: Tiliam on 06/12/2010 00:23:28

Originally by: Jane Griffin

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Edited by: Jane Griffin on 06/12/2010 00:17:46
The game stopps for about a second but you dont see any idication of a fps drop?... *backs away*

I suppose it could be system lag but i somehow doubt it.

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It is all down to the local machine (mostly GPU related with that many effects as it's very GPU intensive) for the FPS drops - the server can not have any impact on FPS at all - this is an arcitectural thing - the server tells the client where the ships and other objects are, all rendering and everything to do with FPS is done on the local machine - this is why you can be playing eve, unplug your modem and the game is still rendered at the same FPS - the server has nothing to do with FPS.

Some people thing lag and FPS are one and the same because in massive blob fights you see both FPS drops and server side lag but that's because the server's having to deal with that many ships causing bad server response and server lag where things aren't happening while the client is having to try and render all the ships and effects, which takes their toll on a graphics card and CPU.

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I edited but too slowly. The second pause was the before the smartbomb effect and WELL BEFORE any explosions had to be rendered.

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I saw your edit, just didn't update what I was quoting it in my reply. As i explained a server can have no impact on FPS at all - all FPS slowdowns are due to the machine doing the rendering not being able to cope.

There is a very basic test you can do to see if it is FPS drops or the server being under load - if the camera scrolling stops or becomes stuttery that's client side and due to the machine you are running on - if the camera keeps scrolling without any issues but the ships/missiles etc aren't moving or updating their position then it is server side lag where your client isn't being told new positions for the ships and objects to be rendered.

The visual stuttering in the video was either caused by the machine not being able to cope with the rendering or because the mouse movement for the camera wasn't smooth and the person taking the video stopped the mouse for a second. There was some server side performance issues as not all ships were destroyed in a perfectly updated pattern which would reflect the use of a smartbomb but as I said that has no impact on FPS - everything would still have been rednered at the maximum FPS the machine was capable of.

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Originally by: Jane Griffin

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Also, experience from other games, most notably battlefield bad company 2 where poor server quality can result in relatively bad fps (before recent patches), belies your common sense understanding of the interaction between server load and fps in some games, sorry.

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Originally by: Jane Griffin

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I took the video, with my g9 on an expensive mouse mat, the movement was smooth :p

Also, experience from other games, most notably battlefield bad company 2 where poor server quality can result in relatively bad fps (before recent patches), belies your common sense understanding of the interaction between server load and fps in some games.

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Originally by: Tiliam

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Originally by: Jane Griffin

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I took the video, with my g9 on an expensive mouse mat, the movement was smooth :p

Also, experience from other games, most notably battlefield bad company 2 where poor server quality can result in relatively bad fps (before recent patches), belies your common sense understanding of the interaction between server load and fps in some games.

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Well then it was your machine (most likely GPU however with that many geometry objects to have to calculate I can't rule CPU out entirely if it was especially unbalanced compared with the rest of the system). Oh and you don't need to use a mousemat for a G9 unless you have a glass table - the lasers in those mice are of a good enough quality to mean any surface anomolies have a negligable impact on detecting movement, but that's a different thing all-together.

Your claim that bad server = bad FPS - this cannot happen in a client/server based game - the nature of these games is simple - the server holds a list of objects and 3D co-ordinates for those objects and sends that information to the client, which takes the list of positions, looks up what the objects are on the local hard-drive/memory and renders the objects where the server claimed the objects were and at what angle/state etc. The only way a server can negatively impact a client's rendering ability would be if it was sending a stupid amount of requests which were so great in number that the extra CPU power used to send the replies back to the server meant that the local client was starved of CPU power.

I also have played BF:BC2 sincle launch and have never had poor FPS because of the server I was playing on - poor update rates yes, but as I have kept saying just because the location of an object is not updated does not mean the FPS is poor.

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Originally by: Jane Griffin

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Edited by: Jane Griffin on 06/12/2010 00:48:28
Edited by: Jane Griffin on 06/12/2010 00:46:39

Originally by: Tiliam

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Originally by: Jane Griffin

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I took the video, with my g9 on an expensive mouse mat, the movement was smooth :p

Also, experience from other games, most notably battlefield bad company 2 where poor server quality can result in relatively bad fps (before recent patches), belies your common sense understanding of the interaction between server load and fps in some games.

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Well then it was your machine (most likely GPU however with that many geometry objects to have to calculate I can't rule CPU out entirely if it was especially unbalanced compared with the rest of the system). Oh and you don't need to use a mousemat for a G9 unless you have a glass table - the lasers in those mice are of a good enough quality to mean any surface anomolies have a negligable impact on detecting movement, but that's a different thing all-together.

Your claim that bad server = bad FPS - this cannot happen in a client/server based game - the nature of these games is simple - the server holds a list of objects and 3D co-ordinates for those objects and sends that information to the client, which takes the list of positions, looks up what the objects are on the local hard-drive/memory and renders the objects where the server claimed the objects were and at what angle/state etc. The only way a server can negatively impact a client's rendering ability would be if it was sending a stupid amount of requests which were so great in number that the extra CPU power used to send the replies back to the server meant that the local client was starved of CPU power.

I also have played BF:BC2 sincle launch and have never had poor FPS because of the server I was playing on - poor update rates yes, but as I have kept saying just because the location of an object is not updated does not mean the FPS is poor.

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The mouse surface is there to facilitate preferable and consistent mouse movement for FPS (first person shooters), not laser accuracy.

As for bfbc2, i can play on the same map with the same number of players at the same time of day on the same computer, fraps will sometimes say 40-60fps, other times 20-30 depending on what server i play on. This is a common complaint with the game. Just because you are not familiar or would rather not believe this observation doesnt make it any less the case... My guess would be exactly how the game is told to deal with late/lost packets.

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The only way a server can negatively impact a client's rendering ability would be if it was sending a stupid amount of requests which were so great in number that the extra CPU power used to send the replies back to the server meant that the local client was starved of CPU power.

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Originally by: Jane Griffin

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No, mouse mat= smooth movement when it comes to mice... You try getting smooth movement out of a tray of cat litter, no matter how good the laser, its gunna suck.

Ok so its inconceivable that eve has bad design that can, for no obvious reason result in fps drop. Also, my cpu is a qx9650@3600, which may be old but isnt at all far behind the best out there in power/thread terms which is all that matters for gaming.

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Originally by: Tattoo Stan

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get a life you pair of sad acts

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Originally by: Tiliam

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Originally by: Jane Griffin

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No, mouse mat= smooth movement when it comes to mice... You try getting smooth movement out of a tray of cat litter, no matter how good the laser, its gunna suck.

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Well I don't play on cat litter, I play on a desk. You do not need a mousemat for smooth movement with a decent laser in a decent mouse on something which is relatively smooth. My G9's have perfect movement on my desk at home and my desk at work - both are not perfectly flat nor are they block colours (which is why people need mousemats for optical mice where textures/patterns caused jumpy movement). Just looks like you are after an argument after i pointed out the FPS drops are local and not server related in your video.

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Originally by: Tiliam

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It is very easy to design a client/server relationship where the rendering on the client is not impacted by the server if the server is under extreme stress.

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Originally by: Doravos

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I've enjoyed playing on my laptop, and I can run missions and other stuff well enough. But I've attempted a few of the incursion events, but the lag and frame rate made it unplayable.

Am I just going to have to avoid them and stick to solo missioning until I can afford a more expensive rig (which I can't)?

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