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JonnyRandom
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Posted - 2012.08.11 02:07:00 -
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I see a lot of POSes at moons that are anchored, but are not online (no shield bubble).
What can be done to these POSes? Are they abandoned? Can I steal them somehow? Or can I shoot them and destroy them? If they are offline, does it still take a very long time to destroy them? |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
1760
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Posted - 2012.08.11 02:09:00 -
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You can wardec the corporation that owns it, then blow it up. You could also get recruited to that corp and then plot to steal it once you have the privileges to do so.
Blowing it up will take a couple of hours in a decently fitted battleship.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1805
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Posted - 2012.08.11 04:51:00 -
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What can't be done to an offline pos?  |
JonnyRandom
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Posted - 2012.08.11 04:53:00 -
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But these kind of POSes.. they don't expire or anything like that? Like, if they sit there unused for a long time, they don't disappear or anything? |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1805
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Posted - 2012.08.11 04:58:00 -
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JonnyRandom wrote:But these kind of POSes.. they don't expire or anything like that? Like, if they sit there unused for a long time, they don't disappear or anything?
Nope, they just sit there and mock you |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Ushra'Khan
1395
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Posted - 2012.08.11 05:39:00 -
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You can check if they still have fun-to-blow-up contents like corp hangars, silos, etc. I once found a nice 11 billion in officer mods out of a corp hangar from someone who forgot to fuel their supercapital staging POS.
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Zera Kerrigan
Dark Tempest Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.08.11 11:04:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:What can't be done to an offline pos?
You dirty minded freak!  |
JonnyRandom
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Posted - 2012.08.11 19:23:00 -
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What about the fuel bay? Can anyone just come up to the POS and take anything in the fuel bay, since there is no shield active? |
mkint
859
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Posted - 2012.08.11 20:28:00 -
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JonnyRandom wrote:What about the fuel bay? Can anyone just come up to the POS and take anything in the fuel bay, since there is no shield active?
No. Not even all the members of the owning corp might have that ability. Its a corp role. |
Cyprus Black
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.12 01:10:00 -
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This is actually a well known problem in EvE. Abandoned POS's don't go away on their own and the owners simply don't care enough to put forth the effort in taking them down. Currently the only way to get rid of these derelict POS's is to get the owners to take them down or blow them up yourselves (the latter option being the most likely solution).
There's been a LOT of discussion about this in the Assembly Hall but so far nothing has been decided. Wormhole space is notorious for having entire systems littered with derelict POS's just laying around.
Your best bet for removing the POS is to get a couple of guys with a lot of free time and just shoot the thing until it explodes. If it's a highsec POS, you'll have to declare war first, then shoot it down. It WILL take a while because POS towers have a lot of hitpoints and some strong resistances (think 8+ hours of non stop shooting).
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JonnyRandom
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Posted - 2012.08.12 01:35:00 -
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I see, so, if I was to put up a POS in hi-sec, it would be relatively safe to offline it in times of non-use to save on fuel? |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
1763
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Posted - 2012.08.12 01:47:00 -
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JonnyRandom wrote:I see, so, if I was to put up a POS in hi-sec, it would be relatively safe to offline it in times of non-use to save on fuel?
Yup. Just don't go away from the game for too long, since there are corporations out there who will wardec you and blow up your POS just to pad their killboards.
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Rams Trouput
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.12 01:54:00 -
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JonnyRandom wrote:I see, so, if I was to put up a POS in hi-sec, it would be relatively safe to offline it in times of non-use to save on fuel?
Thats neet to know. Just bring a gallon of gas to cut the lights on and open up the locks so u can dig around in the filing cabinets.
That sounds like a good way to stock pile fuel. Crank it up enough to store fuel(dose it have to be active?). Can you get at the stuff in ur POS if its off line? |
mkint
859
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Posted - 2012.08.12 01:56:00 -
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JonnyRandom wrote:I see, so, if I was to put up a POS in hi-sec, it would be relatively safe to offline it in times of non-use to save on fuel?
I run my pos on a 1 man alt corp. I offline it when I don't have a job running and unanchor it if I'm not planning on logging in the alt for a while. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
1763
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Posted - 2012.08.12 02:26:00 -
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Rams Trouput wrote:That sounds like a good way to stock pile fuel. Crank it up enough to store fuel(dose it have to be active?). Can you get at the stuff in ur POS if its off line?
You have to be able to, since you can't stick fuel in the POS until it's anchored, and you can't online it until it has fuel :)
All access privileges apply at all times, so fuel technicians can add or remove fuel as required. Just be aware that one large tower can run enough research labs to keep a dozen characters busy with ME/PE research, copying and invention. Any fewer users than that, you're wasting fuel.
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JonnyRandom
31
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Posted - 2012.08.12 05:51:00 -
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Hm, what about modules like labs and assembly arrays? If the POS itself is offline, then I know they will also become offline, but can people steal them? Or the only way they can be stolen is if they are unanchored and just left in space? |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Ushra'Khan
1395
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Posted - 2012.08.12 07:32:00 -
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JonnyRandom wrote:Hm, what about modules like labs and assembly arrays? If the POS itself is offline, then I know they will also become offline, but can people steal them? Or the only way they can be stolen is if they are unanchored and just left in space?
The only way to steal those is by blowing up the POS tower itself, which unanchors them. You can't do anything to them other than blow them up with the tower anchored (even if it's offline).
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JonnyRandom
31
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Posted - 2012.08.12 16:50:00 -
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Ah... I see... ok. Hi-sec POS is a lot more safer than I was expecting, I guess.
Thanks for the answers everyone! Cheers! |
Sin Pew
Dakini Rising
The Kali Cartel
85
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Posted - 2012.08.13 09:16:00 -
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JonnyRandom wrote:Hm, what about modules like labs and assembly arrays? If the POS itself is offline, then I know they will also become offline, but can people steal them? Or the only way they can be stolen is if they are unanchored and just left in space? If you get past the war-dec part (for high-sec POS), what you can do with the POS mods depends on the mods.
If the tower is off (no force-field), you can skip the tower and shoot the hangars (corporate hangar and ship maintenance), they'll drop some of their content once blown depending on what's left inside but nothing if you scoop them.
You will need a hauler as some stuff can be quite chunky. That's the most juicy part usually, aka the pinata. But most abandonned offline towers will likely be void of anything but the stick, it's the most painful thing to blow, gives nothing but a killmail (nothing to loot from it) and many just leave them there instead of spending hours of numb shooting (in high-sec without capital fleets).
For the other industry mods, it's a decision to make but you will need to blow the stick if you want to scoop them for selling, otherwise you can blow them without bothering with the POS and maybe get blueprints as a loot (we've had labs dropping the blueprints when repackaged, dunno if it was a bug though).
Guns, EWAR, etc, if they're incapacitated you can't repair them to scoop them, only option then is to blow them up, so if the tower was offline already, blow the stick and scoop what's healthy, or just blow it all up.
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
451
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Posted - 2012.08.13 19:28:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:JonnyRandom wrote:Hm, what about modules like labs and assembly arrays? If the POS itself is offline, then I know they will also become offline, but can people steal them? Or the only way they can be stolen is if they are unanchored and just left in space? The only way to steal those is by blowing up the POS tower itself, which unanchors them. You can't do anything to them other than blow them up with the tower anchored (even if it's offline).
A few things to add:
1.) Even offline a POS control tower has ridiculous amounts of EHP.... (2-10million).
2.) Petrus mentioned that you can unanchor and scoop modules like corp hangars, assembly arrays, and mobile labs once the POS Control tower is destroyed. However, unanchoring the item will destroy all items inside the structure. On the other hand, these modules have very little EHP (10k), and if they have stuff inside, there is a 50% chance that stuff will drop when you blow it up!!! I blew up a corp hangar this weekend that dropped 500m in t2 heavy missiles, and a silo with 200m in moongoo.... |
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Alexandra Lingwa
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.08.13 22:02:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:This is actually a well known problem in EvE. Abandoned POS's don't go away on their own and the owners simply don't care enough to put forth the effort in taking them down. Currently the only way to get rid of these derelict POS's is to get the owners to take them down or blow them up yourselves (the latter option being the most likely solution).
There's been a LOT of discussion about this in the Assembly Hall but so far nothing has been decided. Wormhole space is notorious for having entire systems littered with derelict POS's just laying around.
Your best bet for removing the POS is to get a couple of guys with a lot of free time and just shoot the thing until it explodes. If it's a highsec POS, you'll have to declare war first, then shoot it down. It WILL take a while because POS towers have a lot of hitpoints and some strong resistances (think 8+ hours of non stop shooting).
Pretty much this
Only other thing I know of is if the corp is closed and the tower is still anchored you can petition it for removal if it is in highsec. |
Baneken
Fistful of Finns
Ewoks
141
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Posted - 2012.08.14 08:43:00 -
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What you can do to a POS that is offline is to shoot it and that's it.
if anything is anchored near POS when it's destroyed they can be taken by anyone, if structures have stuff inside they cannot be scooped and taking contents would require them to be online so you have to shoot those (unfortunately) but you can steal all the guns and such when they lost their anchor after tower is destroyed.
Sadly you also cannot just anchor your own tower as long as there is stuff in owned by someone else in the field, would be handy to just replace the POS and grab the goodies.  |
Sin Pew
Dakini Rising
The Kali Cartel
85
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:34:00 -
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Baneken wrote:What you can do to a POS that is offline is to shoot it and that's it. if anything is anchored near POS when it's destroyed they can be taken by anyone, if structures have stuff inside they cannot be scooped and taking contents would require them to be online so you have to shoot those (unfortunately) but you can steal all the guns and such when they lost their anchor after tower is destroyed. Sadly you also cannot just anchor your own tower as long as there is stuff in owned by someone else in the field, would be handy to just replace the POS and grab the goodies. When the tower is off but still anchored:
- Structures with stuff inside can be shot down and some of their content *may* drop in a can (typically Corporate Hangar and Ship Maintenance Array, but also labs and such).
- Structures can't be scooped but can be blown up for the KM.
When tower is blown up:
- Structures that aren't incapacitated (guns/ewar) become unanchored and can be scooped but content is lost.
- Guns/EWAR that are incapacitated can only be blown up as repping doesn't work.
Profit comes from the sales of scooped/looted stuff, epeen from blown up stuff.
There are some cases of scooped labs dropping their blueprints afterwards, but remains to be tested if it was situational bug or working as intended.
There are some annoyances with POS and their anchored structures, a tower can be offlined while structures are still on and anchored, resulting in occasional bugs with ammos preventing from offlinning/unanchoring them but also preventing the removal of the POS. If petitionned, you will have to be able to hold the tower in place so the GM can witness it and blow it up for a replacement, but if you can't afford the wait (hostile raid), you're left with no option but shooting the module down to be able to take off the POS.
And yes, so long there's a structure on the grid, you can't anchor a new tower.
(from my little experience)
Also, small and medium towers aren't too difficult to take down if you can field battleships or tier 3 battlecruisers, but large ones and even more faction larges, are a tedious work if you don't have some capitals to field for the bashing (count more than a couple hours of constant firing) provided no one interferes in the process, since shooting down this stuff generates some spam to the owners who might gather a fleet to answer (but in high sec you need to wardec the corp to shoot at the tower so they'd know already).
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Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar
Intrepid Crossing
140
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:03:00 -
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As for nullsec I have many a time done clean up routine. Both pos and poco . Typically from forms who left the alliance and also anyone who has abandoned a system. I have done a dead pos kill with subcaps. Painful indeed. These days i tend to just use half a dozen supers . Much more pleasant.
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Vlad Eiriksson
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:38:00 -
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Ummm...
What is a POS?
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mkint
864
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Posted - 2012.08.15 01:01:00 -
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Vlad Eiriksson wrote:Ummm... What is a POS?
Player owned structures. Floaty things in space that you interact with. Mostly in 0.5.sec and lower on moons. |
Vlad Eiriksson
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.08.15 02:45:00 -
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mkint wrote:Vlad Eiriksson wrote:Ummm... What is a POS? Player owned structures. Floaty things in space that you interact with. Mostly in 0.5.sec and lower on moons.
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