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Xerophthalmia
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Posted - 2010.12.07 12:21:00 -
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I love flying frigates and would rather specialize in this class than bigger ones. The Dramiel looks interesting so was wondering if anyone can tell me a little about this ship and it's uses?
It's as fast as intercepters but with stronger firepower + dronebay.
I just looked at some of the best rated fittings at Battleclinic for the Dramiel and it seems that it's common to have both microwarpdrive and afterburner. How would you typically engage with this propulsion combo? It also seems that it's primarily used with the close-ranged autocannons which normaly works best with an afterburner?
So as you can see, I know very little about this ship :-)
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.12.07 12:46:00 -
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dramiel is overrated at best
its great for killing other frigtes and T1 cruiser (if they dont have a neutralizer)
one of the best thing about the dramiel its the ability to run away at will but dont expect to kill many big things unless theyr piloted by a newbe
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Xerophthalmia
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Posted - 2010.12.07 13:01:00 -
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 Originally by: 1600 RT
dramiel is overrated at best
its great for killing other frigtes and T1 cruiser (if they dont have a neutralizer)
So can you recommend other combat frigates instead? (Not specialized T2s like Stealth Bombers or Interceptors...)
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hjgjgfgfgsj
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Posted - 2010.12.07 13:05:00 -
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Use the Dramiel. It is a frigate and it is overrated but it is still one of the best in its class, and there is pretty much no frigate that can survive under neuts.
The assault ships are also good, some of them. Jaguar/wolf if you wanna train for them. Interceptors are also good, but since you don't want T2, and you're Minmatar I would reccomend the Republic Fleet Firetail. It's like a sheap version of the Jaguar, it's got some advantages and it's pretty tight.
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Diesel47
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Posted - 2010.12.07 13:06:00 -
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Dramiel are for noobs and cowards who wish to test the waters and run the second that trouble shows up. Which they can because it is so damn fast.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.12.07 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: 1600 RT
dramiel is overrated at best
its great for killing other frigtes and T1 cruiser (if they dont have a neutralizer)
one of the best thing about the dramiel its the ability to run away at will but dont expect to kill many big things unless theyr piloted by a newbe
Over-rated? It's not an all singing, all dancing killing machine, but it's the best all round frigate by a usefully large margin - faster than an interceptor, with the firepower of an AF, and enough fitting space to not have to make sacrifices, makes it ... almost the perfect frigate.
It's still a frigate, with a frigate hitpoints and cap, which makes it vulnerable to neuts, but ... it's faster than everything else, which means it's able to disengage from more fights.
Whilst still toting more firepower than the vast majority of the competition.
There's a reason they're all over the place - they're the best frigate at 'being a frigate'.
They're not invincible by any means, but it does pretty much rely on a pilot making a mistake to lose one.
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Xerophthalmia
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Posted - 2010.12.07 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: Xerophthalmia on 07/12/2010 13:14:55
Thanks!
Are there some Dramiel pilots that can share a couple of their combat tactics and fittings? Is it common to use the microwarpdrive to engage and/or disengage from battles and the afterburner during the battle at close range using close ranged weapons?
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Bizheep
Minmatar
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.12.07 13:23:00 -
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idk much about you experience but starting to pvp with a 80-100mil frigs isnt the best thing to do.
i would use a rifter unless you get about 50-100 kills with it at that point you should have figured how to fly a dram
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Xerophthalmia
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Posted - 2010.12.07 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Bizheep
idk much about you experience but starting to pvp with a 80-100mil frigs isnt the best thing to do.
i would use a rifter unless you get about 50-100 kills with it at that point you should have figured how to fly a dram
I'm not planning to PvP in a Dramiel right now. I've startet PvPing in cheap frigates and now I would just like to know my options. I doesn't hurt to ask about it :-)
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Korg Leaf
Time Bandits.
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Posted - 2010.12.07 13:56:00 -
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The best Dram fit for general purpose is the dual propulsion dramiel, but the thing shares traits with the majority of minmatar ships in that its versatile.
My Dramiel:
Low Slots
Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core
Internal Force Field Array I
Gyrostabiliser II
Mid Slots
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Gistii B-Type 1MN Afterburner
Medium Shield Extender II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
High Slots
200mm Autocannon II
200mm Autocannon II
Rigs
Small Core Defence Field Extender I
Small Core Defence Field Extender I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer
Drones
4x Warriors II
Some people go with more speed or more faction, but that's more than fast enough for me.
If you want to PvP in this Dramiel fit, then I would recommend using a Dual Prop Taranis till you get used to approaching a larger ship without taking too much damage, making sure you don't overshoot targets is another skill you will need to learn.
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Kneebone
Heathens' Harbor
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Posted - 2010.12.07 14:46:00 -
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[Dramiel, Lowsec]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Internal Force Field Array I
Gyrostabilizer II
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Warp Scrambler II
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
Small Core Defence Field Extender I
Small Core Defence Field Extender I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Hobgoblin II x3
Hobgoblin II x1
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Xerophthalmia
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Posted - 2010.12.07 22:53:00 -
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Thanks for your replies. That's something to think about :-)
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Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
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Posted - 2010.12.08 03:09:00 -
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In general, you use your MWD to approach to 500m or whatever you'd like to orbit it and then you switch to your AB for the actual orbiting.
If you need to run MWD away if you aren't 2pt'd or AB away if you are.
Personally, not a fan of dual prop, you can use the midslot for a lot of better things. In the case of the Dramiel, you could easily catch other MWD frigates with your AB with some good piloting.
If you want to tackle larger targets than you, just an MWD. If you want to fight frigates, AB is hard to beat.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.12.08 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Diesel47
Edited by: Diesel47 on 07/12/2010 13:06:43
Dramiel are for noobs and cowards who wish to test the waters and run the second that trouble shows up. Which they can because it is so damn fast. I grow tired of the countless number of nublets who run away when they can't handle the heat.
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Sid Zero
State Wh0re Academy
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Posted - 2010.12.08 11:44:00 -
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The biggest problem with the Dramiel is that you get far fewer fights because of its reputation. People avoid Dramiels. And the only people who don't avoid Dramiels, are either incompetent noobs that are no fun to fight, or they have backup. It wouldn't have been so bad if Dramiel pilots weren't so hesitant to fight other dramiel pilots (and this is a direct consequence of the cost of the ships + implants + expensive mods).
Flying ships that people actually think they have a shot at beating 1vs1 will get you much more, and much better fights.
For the above reasons, I'd rather go with Jag\Ranis\Firetail\Ishkur\Slicer\Comet etc, which are all highly capable ships, but without the (overhyped) reputation of the Dramiel.
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Ameline Neko
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Posted - 2010.12.08 14:35:00 -
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I know this is an unconventional use of a primarily PvP ship, but this fit works really well vs hisec scannable complexes.
A quick refit with rocket launcher instead of probes and it handles level 3 missions too 
Beware of the webifiers though.
[Dramiel, dramiel RF PVE]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Gistii B-Type 1MN Afterburner
Cap Recharger II
Medium Shield Extender II
Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster
Republic Fleet 200mm Autocannon, Phased Plasma S
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Republic Fleet 200mm Autocannon, Phased Plasma S
Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Hobgoblin II x1
Hobgoblin II x3
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Xerophthalmia
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Posted - 2010.12.08 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sid Zero
For the above reasons, I'd rather go with Jag\Ranis\Firetail\Ishkur\Slicer\Comet etc, which are all highly capable ships, but without the (overhyped) reputation of the Dramiel.
They're also cheaper. I've had my eyes on the Slicer too but the combat style is quite different. Because of the turret range bonus I reckon that the best tactic is to MWD outside of scram/web range, instead of ultra-close combat as in the Dramiel. I really like up-in-your-face close combat :-)
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Korg Leaf
Time Bandits.
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Posted - 2010.12.08 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Xerophthalmia
Originally by: Sid Zero
For the above reasons, I'd rather go with Jag\Ranis\Firetail\Ishkur\Slicer\Comet etc, which are all highly capable ships, but without the (overhyped) reputation of the Dramiel.
They're also cheaper. I've had my eyes on the Slicer too but the combat style is quite different. Because of the turret range bonus I reckon that the best tactic is to MWD outside of scram/web range, instead of ultra-close combat as in the Dramiel. I really like up-in-your-face close combat :-)
Get a taranis or a Comet as they both are very much in your face sorts of ships, whilst also being cheaper and more likely to get fights than the dramiel
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