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masternerdguy Gallente Meerkat Maner	Posted - 2010.12.08 01:37:00 - [1] 1. I own a tengu. I can use them. 2. I honestly think the ability to fit an interdiction nullifier + a covops subsystem is broken. Covops and recons already pass through bubble camps easily, but the ability for a tengu to warp cloaked and ignore bubbles is.....stupid. I think that the 50% damage reduction isn't good enough, they are basically the new cloaky hauler. Make it either or.
Corporal Punishment08 NosWaffle Nostradamus Effect	Posted - 2010.12.08 01:52:00 - [2] T3s are fine. I wouldn't train for a Tengu JUST to be able to haul. But if someone wants to spend all that time, and money for a T3, I don't see a problem.
AFK 'Cloaker	Posted - 2010.12.08 01:52:00 - [3]
Fulkurth	Posted - 2010.12.08 01:56:00 - [4] Guys cloaker in local! DOCK UP!
masternerdguy Gallente Meerkat Maner	Posted - 2010.12.08 01:58:00 - [5] Originally by: Fulkurth Guys cloaker in local! DOCK UP! no lol more like tengu jumps into bubble cloak war fc: "feck"
Mishikaii	Posted - 2010.12.08 03:37:00 - [6] Originally by: Fulkurth Guys cloaker in local! DOCK UP! He's been there for a couple hours, I think its safe to rat, must be afk.
Black Dranzer Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.08 03:39:00 - [7] Originally by: Mishikaii He's been there for a couple hours, I think its safe to rat, must be afk. NO YOU FOOL HE'LL UNCLOAK AND DROP A FLEET OF TITANS ON US \|24 Hour Plex\|Mining Makeover\|
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.12.08 04:03:00 - [8] Originally by: masternerdguy I honestly think the ability to fit an interdiction nullifier + a covops subsystem is broken. Covops and recons already pass through bubble camps easily, but the ability for a tengu to warp cloaked and ignore bubbles is.....stupid. I think that the 50% damage reduction isn't good enough, they are basically the new cloaky hauler. Make it either or. In other words, the only thing that's remotely able to go through gate camps and can undock into a bubble and larger than a frigate should be nerfed? What's the REAL problem? What's the problem with a ship fitted this way after it got through your bubble-camp? What does it do that you can't stand? support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
Roosterton Eternal Frontier Saints Amongst Sinners	Posted - 2010.12.08 04:06:00 - [9] He paid 400+mil for so called "Cloaky hauler." Investing so much in a "Cloaky hauler" and you should be able to do something that a normal "Cloaky hauler" can't. Besides, Tengus don't exactly have amazing cargo space... -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three. Originally by: Tarminic OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
Lord Jita Lord Jita's Big Gay Corp	Posted - 2010.12.08 04:42:00 - [10] The problem is that there is no counter to it. We need t3 interdictors or something that can stop them.

rain9441 Big Head Want Dolly	Posted - 2010.12.08 04:44:00 - [11] Originally by: Lord Jita The problem is that there is no counter to it. We need t3 interdictors or something that can stop them. You need to be able to prevent the prevention from preventing the original action. This is why denying the denial is a bad game play concept. Damage is done. Countering the counter's counter is even worse off than what you got now.
Culmen Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.08 04:56:00 - [12] Edited by: Culmen on 08/12/2010 04:57:13 Originally by: rain9441 Originally by: Lord Jita The problem is that there is no counter to it. We need t3 interdictors or something that can stop them. You need to be able to prevent the prevention from preventing the original action. This is why denying the denial is a bad game play concept. Damage is done. Countering the counter's counter is even worse off than what you got now. Seconded. Also since ECM is countered by ECCM. We need a counter to ECCM, so give us ECCCM But then we need a counter for that so ECCCCM then ECCCCCM, then ECCCCCCM then ECCCCCCCM then ECCCCCCCCM then ECCCCCCCCCM then ECCCCCCCCCCM .... .... and so on and further more why do i even need a sig?
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2010.12.08 04:58:00 - [13] Edited by: Omara Otawan on 08/12/2010 05:00:54 You can still catch them, its just a lot of effort and you need a specialized camp setup. I do find it odd and a little out of whack that you have to jump through a lot more hoops to catch a 400mill cruiser than to catch a 25+ billion supercap though. 400mill is chump change afterall, and easily affordable in your first 6 months in game. Oh, and as far as hauling goes, you can store billions of isk in that small cargohold without putting any BPOs in there. But then again, with jump bridges, jump freighters and such that isnt really of much concern.
Lord Jita Lord Jita's Big Gay Corp	Posted - 2010.12.08 05:00:00 - [14] Edited by: Lord Jita on 08/12/2010 05:01:27 Originally by: Culmen Edited by: Culmen on 08/12/2010 04:57:13 Originally by: rain9441 Originally by: Lord Jita The problem is that there is no counter to it. We need t3 interdictors or something that can stop them. You need to be able to prevent the prevention from preventing the original action. This is why denying the denial is a bad game play concept. Damage is done. Countering the counter's counter is even worse off than what you got now. Seconded. Also since ECM is countered by ECCM. We need a counter to ECCM, so give us ECCCM But then we need a counter for that so ECCCCM then ECCCCCM, then ECCCCCCM then ECCCCCCCM then ECCCCCCCCM then ECCCCCCCCCM then ECCCCCCCCCCM .... .... and so on Uh there is a counter to ECCM its called Signal Distortion Amplifiers but feel free to try again with another completely unrelated analogy maybe something with WW2 in it.
Asuka Smith Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2010.12.08 05:04:00 - [15] anyone who has a problem with T3 ships is a national socialist
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.12.08 05:23:00 - [16] Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 08/12/2010 05:23:52 In order for a T3 to actually do something it has to uncloak. If you want to kill one bad enough chase him and probe his ass down. Everyone is so used to being spoon-fed PvP by gatecamps. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Kira Sosuke Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.08 05:36:00 - [17] T3's arent overpowered at all. infact they need buffed. right now a covert fit null fit t3 is weak. so weak it cant do anything but simply evade gate camps. so a combat ship becomes a 400mill hauler for 500m3 cargo. fail. they need to buff all t3's to have more innate resists or something. that way slots can be used on more dps mods. right now u try to hybrid a t3 and u either kill insanely slow but tank anything or kill decently fast but die fast too. so if anything u could say they are balanced. but by no means call them OP. so: T3's are underpowered, not overpowered. Original poster obviously is annoyed that t3's are getting thru his gate camps. also, hint, focused warp disruption script nullifies the nullifer. :P im surprised no one mentioned that counter yet 15 posts into the discussion. =/
Sverige Pahis Caldari Random Selection. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.12.08 05:41:00 - [18] Erm guys OP is a ****ed troll and world reknowned ** poster, look at his terrible posting history and stop biting
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.12.08 05:46:00 - [19] I thought so too at first, but i think he's serious. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
AstarothPrime	Posted - 2010.12.08 06:50:00 - [20] This must be a joke... is covops nullifier tengu hauling cargo all you can think of? Tbh annoying deep negative nulsec and killing officers in sov systems unseen is 100 times better use for that ship. By the logic you are driven - then jumpfreighters are overpowered as well no? They can jump thru 20 systems and not use gates at all. Its basically invulnerable to any kind of camp and it hauls almost a million m3 of stuffz. I.

AstarothPrime	Posted - 2010.12.08 06:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Kira Sosuke also, hint, focused warp disruption script nullifies the nullifer. :P im surprised no one mentioned that counter yet 15 posts into the discussion. =/ Any point nullifies the nullifier, the point is that you cant target it due to being cloaky. Its basically as safe as cloaky hauler in lowsec - which cant be stopped in space in laggless and idiotless environment using only game mechanics. I.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.12.08 07:13:00 - [22] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Everyone is so used to being spoon-fed PvP by gatecamps. This, really, is the heart of the problem. I'm not sure how much sense choke points really make in a space game. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter - Blog got deleted when Evepress died -
Fon Revedhort Monks of War DarkSide.	Posted - 2010.12.08 07:15:00 - [23] Originally by: Asuka Smith anyone who has a problem with T3 ships is a national socialist Yeap, cause both are aware of what's going on. ---[center] Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2010.12.08 07:35:00 - [24] Originally by: masternerdguy 1. I own a Nyx, Aeon, Wyvern and Hel. I can use them. 2. I honestly think the un-stoppable supercarriers in lowsec is broken. Normal carriers die too easily, but the ability for a supercarrier to laugh at anything but a blob of hictors is.....stupid. I think that the immunity to normal/POS warp scramble is too much, they are basically the new I win wtfpwnzorbbq button. Make it either or. These aren't the T3s you're looking for .. it can go about it's own business. Move along.
Evanga Amarr Trust Doesn't Rust Supremacy.	Posted - 2010.12.08 07:44:00 - [25] instalock stileto?
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2010.12.08 07:47:00 - [26] They get caught. No change necessary imo. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up.
syphurous Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.12.08 08:06:00 - [27] If week old noobs can catch them, they aren't so hot. Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P

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Jayme Meladi	Posted - 2010.12.08 09:01:00 - [29] Originally by: Evanga instalock stileto? If the pilot is good you are not going to catch a t3 cov ops/nullifier....which is fine because there is no other counter to bubble camping nonsense, an issue exaggerated by the stupid concept of bottlenecks in space. Its not as if they can do anything BUT run until they are able to dock somewhere and swap subsystems.
Muad 'dib Caldari The Imperial Fedaykin	Posted - 2010.12.08 09:13:00 - [30] Originally by: masternerdguy 1. I own a tengu. I can use them. 2. I honestly think the ability to fit an interdiction nullifier + a covops subsystem is broken. Covops and recons already pass through bubble camps easily, but the ability for a tengu to warp cloaked and ignore bubbles is.....stupid. I think that the 50% damage reduction isn't good enough, they are basically the new cloaky hauler. Make it either or. I fly tengu too, a lot. I dont see how fitting a cloak sub which makes your dps less than a caracel without the extra luancher sub is all that bad news. You get caught ONCE in that T3 and thats your 500m down the pan plus your pod. covops and recons get through bubbles sort of okay and cost 1/5 of the price. At least there is only one way to be bubble immune in game and it costs 500m, some will whine about price not being a defining factor, but it really is in many cases. Tengu maybe be a bit overpowered compared in some cases to other t3s, but the bubble immune sub itself is not. I bet theres few t3s killed with a rack of expanders and the nullifier sub.



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