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Keith Deteisrich
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Posted - 2010.12.09 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Traycea
Quote: WTF is there to do?
Take over the universe or a little part of it anyway. Eve is an empire building game of sorts. Your complaints about the skill system indicate a fist person shooter mentality and so 'Call of Duty' etc. or better yet 'Dust 514' seem like more appropriate games for the quick fix sort of game player you seem to be. Best of luck
Dude, I don't have a first person shoot mentality. I have an account that I paid for for 6 months, no one will join me, no corps will accept my applications so as far as I am concerned ****it.
Total waste of time.
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Shiptoaster
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Posted - 2010.12.09 04:48:00 -
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you didn't train Engineering V Electronics V. Energy Management V Energy Systems Operation V Energy Grid Upgrades V Mechanic V Shield Management V. Shield Operation V. Hull Upgrade V Repair Systems V Weapon Upgrads V Advanced Weapon Upgrades V Thermal, Kinetiv, EM, Explosive Componsation all to V for armor. Thermal, Kinetiv, EM, Explosive Componsation all to V for shields
those are the baic skills all to V that's why your not having fun go to station and train
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Keith Deteisrich
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Posted - 2010.12.09 05:03:00 -
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Hey thanks for your suggestions.
I have Cybernetics up to L4. But to get to L5 it says that it will take 28 days. That is total complete bull**** and there is no way that I am going to "train" some "skill" for 28 days. I will have lost interest in the game in that month. And the learning skills take so long that you don't even remember what they were for. Now I see why EVE is failing.
I loved this game so much because the graphics are so beautiful, but unfortunatly I have a limited amount of time, skill training takes way, way too long and I am just not going to play that.
I am changing my credit card so CCP can not bill me again.
To all of you that I tried to help by joining your corp and you rejected me, **** you people. I could have helped you and now I don't even care. **** you.
Originally by: Xercodo -Learning skills are being removed next week, bring your friends back (now they will all train as if they had maxed learning) -you can do some solo PVP with frigates or cruisers (not SP extensive) -find guys that WILL let you join, usually this work best when you try to kill them in low sec then they go "hmm you got spunk, come fly with us" -You miss understand the sec grind mechanics, you only get credit for the biggest rat you kill per 15-20 min (not sure on time frame), this means you were only getting credit for one. The good news is that this rule applies per system so if u fly to 15 systems and kill one rat each you'll gain sec 15 times faster -EVE is a sandbox and it is what you make it, if you sit waiting for the paint to dry then thats all it'll ever be, try doing other things so that by the time the paint IS dry you'll be like "wow that went fast" -for mission try looking up the mission/agents area of this guide and use the info their in combination with this to find ones nearby -stealth bombers are still great in places other than 0.0, just use torps
and as i saw someone else say, use your awesome money from marketing to get some implants to train faster, train cyber 5 once and load in a set of +5s
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Shiptoaster
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Posted - 2010.12.09 05:11:00 -
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Its not EVEs fault you can't take only a year out of 27 to train the basic skills newbie, EVE isn't making you train all of them for 1.3/3 of your life. Just only one year then you can train a spaceship command skill.
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Keith Deteisrich
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Posted - 2010.12.09 05:14:00 -
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Okay yeah to train all of that would take a year.
Seems to underscore that this is a total waste of time...
Originally by: Shiptoaster you didn't train Engineering V Electronics V. Energy Management V Energy Systems Operation V Energy Grid Upgrades V Mechanic V Shield Management V. Shield Operation V. Hull Upgrade V Repair Systems V Weapon Upgrads V Advanced Weapon Upgrades V Thermal, Kinetiv, EM, Explosive Componsation all to V for armor. Thermal, Kinetiv, EM, Explosive Componsation all to V for shields
those are the baic skills all to V that's why your not having fun go to station and train
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Shiptoaster
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Posted - 2010.12.09 05:18:00 -
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Well, those are the basic skills you need space ship and gun skills to. Around 20m SP you are set to begin PVP and teamup to take on the veteran players so 2 years.
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Jakita Fiera
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Posted - 2010.12.09 05:59:00 -
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I looked you up on battleclinic... My god, no wonder you aren't havning any fun, your ship fittings are horrible!
I suggest you learn how to fit your ships properly and get your skills sorted out. Then you might have more fun. |
Shiptoaster
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Posted - 2010.12.09 06:02:00 -
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Edited by: Shiptoaster on 09/12/2010 06:06:39 Edited by: Shiptoaster on 09/12/2010 06:05:57
Originally by: Jakita Fiera I looked you up on battleclinic... My god, no wonder you aren't havning any fun, your ship fittings are horrible!
I suggest you learn how to fit your ships properly and get your skills sorted out. Then you might have more fun.
lol, i'm going to look him up to
Edit: so I went to battleclinic and saw you had no kills and only losses Kieth and I thought something was wrong so I looked you up on evsco and it's true you have 0 kills and 13 losses. That's not a good ratio, you need to get back to station asap,stat come out in 1 year
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Zwen Johen
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Posted - 2010.12.09 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Keith Deteisrich ~ Mining isn't for me. I figured out how to make ISK by using the market and can make enough in 2-3 days to buy a PLEX so I did reach free play.
If waiting for skill training is your main problem and you can afford a plex every 2-3 days you can make a sum to purchase already trained character here: Character Bazaar
Originally by: Keith Deteisrich ~ While my skillpoints are at 7mil every single Corporation I had applied to (about 30) simply denied my request to join with no explanation.
Corps usually reject random in-game apps. If you haven't had an interview with one of their recruiters or tried to contact CEO or a director in corp at least to have a chat first, then of course you'd get rejected. Here is recruitment forum, try talking or pm'ing recruiters first and applying if recruiter invites you.
Originally by: Keith Deteisrich ~ I started my own corp and have invited friends from College. Every one of them quit in the 1st month claiming it was too hard because the learning skills take so long.
Learning skills will be removed soon (Dec 14th) may be you can re-invite your friends then.
Originally by: Keith Deteisrich ~ I can fly a Covert Ops cloaked Buzzard and scan out pockets very easy. Problem is that the best ones are on 0.0 and there's no way to get anything but a Buzzard in and out, so no way to transport rare ores. ~ Trained for a Stealth Covert Ops Bomber only to find out they can only be used in 0.0 so that was a worthless waste of time.
And what's wrong with 0.0? You can take your stealth bomber, go lurk around a bit see if you can find a gate camp to bomb. There are many stealth bomber guides written and posted on this forum as well as YouTube videos on how to pvp in them.
Originally by: Keith Deteisrich ~ Raising my security status is insanely hard. I can sit around in 0.5 space and blow up rats all day long in my Caldari Navy Issue Hookbill with Rockets (yes, Rockets!) but my security status only goes up by like 0.04 for 15 minutes of kills?
If you pvp in 0.0 space or in a wardec then you don't lose security status. Try out factional warfare perhaps. You can sell your character also and let someone else raise its sec, make some money via trading, combine it and buy yourself a better skilled pilot with positive sec status.
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Xercodo
Amarr INESTO Task Force
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Posted - 2010.12.09 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Keith Deteisrich Hey thanks for your suggestions.
I have Cybernetics up to L4. But to get to L5 it says that it will take 28 days. That is total complete bull**** and there is no way that I am going to "train" some "skill" for 28 days. I will have lost interest in the game in that month. And the learning skills take so long that you don't even remember what they were for. Now I see why EVE is failing.
I loved this game so much because the graphics are so beautiful, but unfortunatly I have a limited amount of time, skill training takes way, way too long and I am just not going to play that.
-The game isn't failing, to you personally it might be but subscription numbers keep growing (see the latest quarterly economic newsletter) and have been since EVE started in 2003 -What do you mean "limited amount of time"? are you going to die in the next 6 months or something? If you mean play time in a day then that doesn't effect the skill system at all, it trains whether your logged in or not -Regardless of the two points above, I can see that this just isn't a game for you. It takes a lot of patience but we all did it too and you don't see us complaining, we relish in watching the timer count down, it's like waiting for Christmas every time :P And we busy ourselves with activities while we wait. That's the beauty of the system, you don't have to grind up the progression of your character, and in fact that's the whole point of other games. This game lets you do whatever the hell you want while your character progresses. If you have nothing to do, then your doing something wrong
And don't take rejected corp applications too personally, quite a few of them have strict rule on who they let in or not. Simply find one that isn't as strict or take the route of making them like you enough that they make an exception (obviously easier said then done ik)
-------------------------------------------------- The drake is a lie
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Shurikane
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Posted - 2010.12.09 06:42:00 -
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I knew it would be fruitless no matter what anyone would say.
At this stage, all I can recommend is for you to get back to your Lv.80 shaman on WoW since it's clear you were born to run endgame instances all day.
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McRoll
Minmatar The Legion of Darkness
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Posted - 2010.12.09 09:35:00 -
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Well...
I can tell you that I consider Eve as an "alongside" game. I play other games while my Eve skills run alongside and I log in whenever I feel like it and do stuff. What you want is instant gratification and action. Eve is meant to be played for a longer time and over time you should have developed an idea what you want to do and achieve in this game. Some people play this purely as a economic simulation, others want to kill as much people as possible, many just play casually and do their missions and other pve stuff.
However this game is not like WoW or other mmo's where you log in and have a questline to follow or a raid in a specific instance to get better items or stuff like that. You are supposed to make your own goals there. If you cannot come up with a goal for you or find the possibilities boring which this game has to offer (and it offers a lot) then you are wrong there as you already recognized probably. Please ensure your signature is within the allowed size of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24,000 bytes. Navigator |
Apocryphon
Minmatar InterSun Freelance
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Posted - 2010.12.09 09:38:00 -
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No imagination. No patience. Use your moneymaking skills to buy an uber char then pay an uber corp isk to twink you and hold your hand as you romp around the universe. There you go, you cut out all the stuff you don't like. Or as most people call it "the game".
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Chuc Morris
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Posted - 2010.12.09 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: Chuc Morris on 09/12/2010 10:03:14 I'm playing since almost same time than you and to be honest i understand quite well what you mean.
You train to train things absolutely time useless and for months like learning: "learn to learn" wauuuuu Then you start missioning and there you go, but once you're at lvl4 and that you've done 999¦ times the same missions you cant do lvl5 or is just like throw you isk in little cans and name them "free candies".
Pvp? well looks like the first one who brings two rr is the winner, can't find this interesting or amazing, nothing compared with the concept of big fleets and big fights.
Atm i still play because i made my self a few palls over here and that they play at same time zone. We are all in npc corps because we didn't found anything interesting than "give your api and how much you have in your wallet", dam those guys are psychopaths or mad about "spies"
Still looking the fun for a few times but certainly running in the same direction than you, stop throwing money out the window for a game with a great potential but where is nothing fun to do or the only things to do every one claims being "ultra fun" are mining scaming or ganking.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.12.09 10:00:00 -
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10/10 |
Lillith Starfire
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Posted - 2010.12.09 10:13:00 -
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Le stuff. Give it to moi!
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Chuc Morris
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Posted - 2010.12.09 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lillith Starfire Le stuff. Give it to moi!
Tu l'auras pas conasse !!
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Fade Toblack
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Posted - 2010.12.09 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Keith Deteisrich ~ While my skillpoints are at 7mil every single Corporation I had applied to (about 30) simply denied my request to join with no explanation.
Most corps don't accept random applicants - look for corps actively recruiting or start chatting to people in-game.
(Likewise alliances won't accept applications from random corps)
Originally by: Keith Deteisrich ~ I started my own corp and have invited friends from College. Every one of them quit in the 1st month claiming it was too hard because the learning skills take so long.
As already said, those are being removed soon - invite them all back.
Originally by: Keith Deteisrich ~ At this point there's really nothing to look forward to because the skill training time takes too long. A week to learn Interceptors to get a Crow? Nah. That's crazy and too boring to wait for.
Huh why sit and wait? You play the game whilst skill training happens in the background. You can switch between skills as much as you like - so run the long-term goals when you don't have a quick-win short-term goal.
Originally by: Keith Deteisrich ~ I can fly a Covert Ops cloaked Buzzard and scan out pockets very easy. Problem is that the best ones are on 0.0 and there's no way to get anything but a Buzzard in and out, so no way to transport rare ores.
Look for NPC controlled null-sec, not PC controlled null-sec. Yes it can be hard to get ships in and out, but if you have ISK to burn - so what if you lose a few?
Originally by: Keith Deteisrich ~ Have ran a lot of missions but lately I can not find any agents to work for. I read that the newest release had a lot more missions but I can't find them anywhere near where I dock (Jita 4-4).
Dock somewhere else. I've based myself out of 4 different regions in 18 months playing the game.
Originally by: Keith Deteisrich ~ Raising my security status is insanely hard. I can sit around in 0.5 space and blow up rats all day long in my Caldari Navy Issue Hookbill with Rockets (yes, Rockets!) but my security status only goes up by like 0.04 for 15 minutes of kills?
Fast Talk (if you don't already have the skill) allows you to raise sec status quicker. Once you're positive though there's little extra to gain.
Originally by: Keith Deteisrich So, am I missing anything?
Yes lots. What interests you?
Do you want to get into PvP? My best suggestion - which has already been suggested is to go join RvB, whilst they don't actually directly teach PvP you can pick up a lot from being in the corp and taking part.
Eve University does teach about all aspects of Eve, and whilst some of it may not be that interesting, they do run some PvP-based stuff.
Finally there are other corps and alliances that run PvP training courses. You pay them, and they'll take you out and show you the basics.
Do you want more PvE content? Try scanning in low-sec the sites are better with a medium level of risk. Again PvP will happen in low-sec so I'd suggest that at least learning some basics will help you avoid trouble even if you don't want to fight.
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Bruce Carraway
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Posted - 2010.12.09 11:09:00 -
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wow, a plex every 2-3 days trading, you sir win eve.
you sir should open a eve trading school
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captain kikaz
Debitum Naturae
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Posted - 2010.12.09 11:11:00 -
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Get yourself out to 0.0 there are plenty of corps out there that will hire you.I would. Empire is for suckers leave it as soon as possible you might also consider wormholes they put a whole new slant on the game and require a completely different mindset. eve is a slow burn time intensive game i'm afraid.I have been going at it for 5 years and still find new and interesting stuff to do everyday sometimes i sit and think goddamn i am bored then something else comes along a new ship a new set of idiots moving into local space that require blowing up etc.
Don't give up on it it really is the most fulfilling game out there if you just be patient and have the mindset that you won't get everything right away.
RvB and factional warfare are fun for the quick reaction fast fix pvp if you want something a little more meaningful move out to 0.0.
gimme a call i'll fly with ya :P
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Sardon Darkstar
Caldari 0ne Percent.
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Posted - 2010.12.09 11:38:00 -
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Keith,
Sounds like you've made up your mind about Eve already, and just want to vent your frustration. I hope I'm wrong, though. Tbh, I've yet to find a game that can offer so much diversity as Eve does. I see you've tried mining and you don't like it. That's fine, I don't like mining either. I agree that running missions gets rather dull, too. Grinding standings is exactly what it is: a grind. You're making good income from the market, that's cool. That is a skill I don't have. Allow me to point out a few other things you could try in the game:
1) Join a corp that is part of a 0.0 alliance. See the recruitment section in the Organizations forum, there are plenty looking for new players. If you're serious about wanting to join, I'm fairly certain you will be accepted. The game in 0.0 is quite different from the game in low- or highsec. Not "just" pvp, but pvp to gain space or defend your own. Politics, if that fancies you. 2) Or how about science and industry? You could skill yourself to build ships and modules, or maybe implants and drugs? 3) Instead of a 0.0 corp, maybe you could join a corp living in Wormhole Space? This gives a great PVE experience, as well as being quite profitable. Living in WH space is completely different to living in empire or 0.0.
Just 3 examples of stuff to do, and you can do it while training your skills... no waiting. Although industry does take skills.
I'd advise against buying a highly skilled character, and instead use the time you have while training skills to set goals for your own character.
By the way, if I may ask, why did your coworker (the one who played for 7 years) quit?
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Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2010.12.09 11:51:00 -
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You are an irritating newbie.
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.09 11:52:00 -
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buy plex sell plex - buy toon of forums - have fun ?
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Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2010.12.09 14:16:00 -
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you can be my ***** if you like? the last one wore out. . -hi sec lolwarrior- |
Ard UnjiiGo
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.12.09 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Keith Deteisrich
So, am I missing anything?
Quite a bit.
If this is not a troll, rookies take note: OP played the game in a way destined to be boring.
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Musical Fist
Gallente NAP Coalition
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Posted - 2010.12.09 14:54:00 -
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I wouldnt goto 0.0 the north is dead, the east are rmt and the south well as long as you arent part of any alliacnce isnt a bad place to pvp
Empire, low sec and WHs are the place to be --
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Exception Cast
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Exception Cast on 09/12/2010 16:16:29
Originally by: Keith Deteisrich
I just wanted to see other aspects of the game. Seems there are none available to me.
So, I can make so much ISK that I play free. What now?
I see nothing to do in this game.
If you actually read the thread to this point and can see nothing to do in this game, then you sir are blind and hopeless. There are plenty of things you can try and that were suggested you did not event bother to comment on. It's a "sandbox", you can do ANYTHING. Stop being so close minded, leave Jita go to lowsec/nullsec/wormholes and do something fun. Try to do some... PVP... since that's what this game is focused around. You don't *need* a corp or friends to have fun in this game. If you do, then go play something that caters to that need like warcraft. I'm not saying being in a corp with friends isn't cool and all, but don't let that bunch of crap be your crutch.
This whole mopey thing is pretty pathetic. Poor you. You figured out how to use the market and now you don't have any idea what to spend isk on.... *slap* Be a man.
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Lise Kahel
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Posted - 2010.12.09 16:29:00 -
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Ah, so your Jita-style "I'm leaving EVE" scam is preceded by a forum post. Nice touch.
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Keith Deteisrich
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Posted - 2010.12.09 17:02:00 -
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Thanks for the well described suggestion. I actually was invited to join a group from Chicago (same time zone) and the UK whom live in 0.0 with their own player owned station just under 30 jumps from Jita. This seems it would allow for a good range of play time with my own online schedule, I can get there cloaked no problem yet bringing in the heavier ships would be a little iffy.
Your description of how 0.0 is a different game sounds like something to jump right into. I really don't care if I lose a ship here and there since the ISK issue seems to have been won.
Why did my friend that played for 7 years quit? I don't actually know for certain. I worked with the guy for a few months, then hosted a 50th year anniversary Sci-Fi convention with him and he was playing EVE in the office non-stop during the event. I was like WTF is that? So signed up, got to enjoy it, ran a bunch of L3 missions with him destroying some and particularly one of the highest ranked rats, like every day for weeks. Then suddenly he was gone and I got an E-mail saying he was bored with EVE and done. That's pretty much it. He offered to give me all of the stuff in the Corp hanger but I declined as I have all the ships I can use. He later said he could not afford the $15 to get back online and I offered to give him a stack of PLEX but have never heard anything back since. Now that you mention it, I will check and see if he's interested in coming back. I am pretty sure he doesn't know that the Learning skills are going to result in a skill point "bank" in fact I am not sure if he knows Incursion is out yet.
Anyway, thanks again. Cheers.
Originally by: Sardon Darkstar Keith,
Sounds like you've made up your mind about Eve already, and just want to vent your frustration. I hope I'm wrong, though. Tbh, I've yet to find a game that can offer so much diversity as Eve does. I see you've tried mining and you don't like it. That's fine, I don't like mining either. I agree that running missions gets rather dull, too. Grinding standings is exactly what it is: a grind. You're making good income from the market, that's cool. That is a skill I don't have. Allow me to point out a few other things you could try in the game:
1) Join a corp that is part of a 0.0 alliance. See the recruitment section in the Organizations forum, there are plenty looking for new players. If you're serious about wanting to join, I'm fairly certain you will be accepted. The game in 0.0 is quite different from the game in low- or highsec. Not "just" pvp, but pvp to gain space or defend your own. Politics, if that fancies you. 2) Or how about science and industry? You could skill yourself to build ships and modules, or maybe implants and drugs? 3) Instead of a 0.0 corp, maybe you could join a corp living in Wormhole Space? This gives a great PVE experience, as well as being quite profitable. Living in WH space is completely different to living in empire or 0.0.
Just 3 examples of stuff to do, and you can do it while training your skills... no waiting. Although industry does take skills.
I'd advise against buying a highly skilled character, and instead use the time you have while training skills to set goals for your own character.
By the way, if I may ask, why did your coworker (the one who played for 7 years) quit?
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Keith Deteisrich
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Posted - 2010.12.09 17:12:00 -
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Yes, I have read the responses all the way down to this point and there have been some damned good ones. In fact because of some of the suggestions I have decided what to try. You are correct that I have not responded to some really good ones and it's not that I have not read nor appreciate them, I just had a limited amount of time yesterday due to work. Well, sort of like today. I do plan on getting back on here tonight and reply to as many as I can.
As far as pretty much mastering the ISK thing as a side note I used to work as a stock broker, day trader in fact so the day trading on here is not much unlike Nasdaq. It can easily be manipulated at some point when you find -it-.... Yet I can say that it is -thruthfully- difficult to find what to do with a large amount of ISK. That's due to the fact that the training skills churning is IMHO total bs. I have L5 implants and can't use them as my Cybernetics is at L4 and it would take 28 days to get to L5. that is absolutely stupid and there should be some way around that.
Anyway, thanks for another well thought out response and do know that I have read, appreciate and respect the opinions and suggestions that everyone has provided. It has helped greatly and I hope to get a chance to respond to each person as I do know a person trying to help was at the keyboard behind every response.
Cheers.
Originally by: Exception Cast Edited by: Exception Cast on 09/12/2010 16:16:29
Originally by: Keith Deteisrich
I just wanted to see other aspects of the game. Seems there are none available to me.
So, I can make so much ISK that I play free. What now?
I see nothing to do in this game.
If you actually read the thread to this point and can see nothing to do in this game, then you sir are blind and hopeless. There are plenty of things you can try and that were suggested you did not event bother to comment on. It's a "sandbox", you can do ANYTHING. Stop being so close minded, leave Jita go to lowsec/nullsec/wormholes and do something fun. Try to do some... PVP... since that's what this game is focused around. You don't *need* a corp or friends to have fun in this game. If you do, then go play something that caters to that need like warcraft. I'm not saying being in a corp with friends isn't cool and all, but don't let that bunch of crap be your crutch.
This whole mopey thing is pretty pathetic. Poor you. You figured out how to use the market and now you don't have any idea what to spend isk on.... *slap* Be a man.
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