Originally by: Mashie Saldana

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Originally by: Zyphore

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Question: What would happen if you were training a learning skill as the 10:00 downtime began?

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It will end and if you don't have any other skill in the queue you won't gain any more SP until you log back in.

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Originally by: Mashie Saldana

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Originally by: Callin Vandylx

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Originally by: Mashie Saldana

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Originally by: Zyphore

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Question: What would happen if you were training a learning skill as the 10:00 downtime began?

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It will end and if you don't have any other skill in the queue you won't gain any more SP until you log back in.

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A related question:

Let's say at 08:00 before the Incursion 1.0.1 patch, your skill queue looks like this:

1. Empathy V (20 hours remaining)
2. Battlecruisers V (25 days remaining)

What will happen to your skill queue after the patch is applied?

Will there be a point (let's call it 14:00 for argument) at which Empathy V will be stopped and Battlecruisers V will be promoted to take its place?

In which case, at 14:00, you'll have a queue that is:

1. Battlecruisers V (25 days left)

Plus the skill points from Empathy V trained up to 14:00 will be put into the unallocated skill point pool?

Or, will the skill queue be simply emptied? Or, something else?

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When the cleanup script is started, the SP in Empathy up to that moment is moved to the reimbursement pool and Battlecruisers V will be started.

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Originally by: Ranka Mei

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Quote:

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"?Our UI designers and programmers were in holiday mood, and overhauled the Neural Remap window, making it much more intuitive. Why not check it out and see if any other gifts await you there!"

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Hmm, now I'm thinking maybe we DO get a free remap, after all. I mean, CCP suggests we check out the Neural Remap window, and see what other gifts are THERE. That can't be much else than an extra remap; or an extra attribute point.

Could also the dev is simply, in a bit of a clumsily worded manner, referring to the advent of the Echelon. :)

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Yes, but if you are not going to reach a new training level of Empathy prior to the deployment then you should just stop training it immediately and switch to Battlecruisers.

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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Yes, but if you are not going to reach a new training level of Empathy prior to the deployment then you should just stop training it immediately and switch to Battlecruisers.

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This contradicts the explanation of the process that we have been given. If the player's rate of training of Empathy is greater than his rate of training of Battlecruisers, he should continue training Empathy as long as he can.

The caveat is that at DT on the 14th, everyone should insure that their skill queues contain at least one non-learning skill (as Callin describes, for example) -- and, like all extended DTs, that the queue contains a multi-day skill.

The potential gotcha occurs when a player goes into the DT with a queue that contains nothing but learning skills, because that will result in an empty skill queue.

Those engaging in skillpoint arbitrage who have a long-period learning skill training that would complete after the DT need to manually stop training the skill before the DT and load up their queue with non-learning skills, otherwise they will get caught by the gotcha.

However, those who have a learning skill that completes during the downtime, and other skills in their queue after the learning skill, will get the maximum possible benefit from skillpoints arbitrage.

If the above description is incorrect, then the correct explanation needs to be broadly disseminated ASAP -- because this is how all the players I know thing it is going to work -- and it may become a major petition headache.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Originally by: Ranka Mei

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Quote:

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"?Our UI designers and programmers were in holiday mood, and overhauled the Neural Remap window, making it much more intuitive. Why not check it out and see if any other gifts await you there!"

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Hmm, now I'm thinking maybe we DO get a free remap, after all. I mean, CCP suggests we check out the Neural Remap window, and see what other gifts are THERE. That can't be much else than an extra remap; or an extra attribute point.

Could also the dev is simply, in a bit of a clumsily worded manner, referring to the advent of the Echelon. :)

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I guess you won't find out unless you take a look at the window post-deployment.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Let's put some numbers on the table. I'm using a specific character, your mileage may vary depending on attributes, learning skills and implants.

I can train Battlecruiser at 1,912 SP/hour. All learning skills are less or equal SP/hour so they are not worth training compared to Battlecruiser, except Logic at 2,009 SP/hour. By training Logic and then post-deployment assigning those SPs to Battlecruiser then I could effectively be training Battlecruiser at 2,009 SP/hour, at a gain of additional 97 SP/hour.

If I make a mistake and leave Logic in the queue during the deployment then I won't be training at all, at an effective loss of 1,912 SP/hour. During each hour of deployment then I would be losing 19,7 hours of arbitrage. The deployment is 5 hours 30 minutes so the total loss would be 108.4 hours of arbitrage.

The gain of the arbitrage could be quite minimal, but if you know what you are doing, do the calculations for your character and don't leave the learning skill in the queue during the deployment then there is some (small) gain.

I still stick to my original recommendation that pilots stop training learning skills as soon as possible. It's simplest and the (small) gain could be wiped by the significant loss if you do it wrong.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Let's put some numbers on the table. I'm using a specific character, your mileage may vary depending on attributes, learning skills and implants.

I can train Battlecruiser at 1,912 SP/hour. All learning skills are less or equal SP/hour so they are not worth training compared to Battlecruiser, except Logic at 2,009 SP/hour. By training Logic and then post-deployment assigning those SPs to Battlecruiser then I could effectively be training Battlecruiser at 2,009 SP/hour, at a gain of additional 97 SP/hour.

If I make a mistake and leave Logic in the queue during the deployment then I won't be training at all, at an effective loss of 1,912 SP/hour. During each hour of deployment then I would be losing 19,7 hours of arbitrage. The deployment is 5 hours 30 minutes so the total loss would be 108.4 hours of arbitrage.

The gain of the arbitrage could be quite minimal, but if you know what you are doing, do the calculations for your character and don't leave the learning skill in the queue during the deployment then there is some (small) gain.

I still stick to my original recommendation that pilots stop training learning skills as soon as possible. It's simplest and the (small) gain could be wiped by the significant loss if you do it wrong.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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SNIP!

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Originally by: Vincent Athena

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Typo? Or has something about drones been fixed in the Mac?

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Originally by: Callin Vandylx

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Originally by: Vincent Athena

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Typo? Or has something about drones been fixed in the Mac?

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All Tech II drones have been upgraded to Mac OS X Snow Leopard. In the final patch of Incursion, they intend to upgrade all the remaining Tech I and faction drones to Snow Leopard as well.

Hopefully this will reduce the number of drone-attacking malware incidents.

Cheers,

Callin

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Originally by: Vincent Athena

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In the patch notes in the fixes section there is this:

* Mac
o The Mac client now supports anti-aliasing.
o Drones


With nothing after "drones".
Typo? Or has something about drones been fixed in the Mac?

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Originally by: Vincent Athena

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In the patch notes in the fixes section there is this:

* Mac
o The Mac client now supports anti-aliasing.
o Drones


With nothing after "drones".
Typo? Or has something about drones been fixed in the Mac?

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Originally by: Omega Flames

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EVE Christmas has been delayed by 24 hours due to time flux /cry

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Originally by: Vincent Athena

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Hmmm, CCP does deployment dress rehearsals on Singularity. Nice to know.

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