Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.

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"◦Our UI designers and programmers were in holiday mood, and overhauled the Neural Remap window, making it much more intuitive. Why not check it out and see if any other gifts await you there!"

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Originally by: Ifly Uwalk

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"◦Our UI designers and programmers were in holiday mood, and overhauled the Neural Remap window, making it much more intuitive. Why not check it out and see if any other gifts await you there!"

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woohoo free remap!

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Originally by: Allestin Villimar

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Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.

Originally by: Torothanax

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Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.

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+ Surveying has been radically revamped and will allow players to create extraction programs that span anything from an hour to 14 days!

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Originally by: Bobknight

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Whatever happened to the planetary interaction changes? Devblog

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+ Surveying has been radically revamped and will allow players to create extraction programs that span anything from an hour to 14 days!

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phpBB : Critical Error

Error clearing sessions table

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Originally by: Ifly Uwalk

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"◦Our UI designers and programmers were in holiday mood, and overhauled the Neural Remap window, making it much more intuitive. Why not check it out and see if any other gifts await you there!"

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woohoo free remap!

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User Interface
Context menu options for remote selling and contract cretion were temporarily unavailable, this has been remedied.

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# Neural Remap window overhaul * Our UI designers and programmers were in holiday mood, and overhauled the Neural Remap window, making it much more intuitive. Why not check it out and see if any other gifts await you there!

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Originally by: Zyphore

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Question: What would happen if you were training a learning skill as the 10:00 downtime began?

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Originally by: Mashie Saldana

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Originally by: Zyphore

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Question: What would happen if you were training a learning skill as the 10:00 downtime began?

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It will end and if you don't have any other skill in the queue you won't gain any more SP until you log back in.

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Originally by: Callin Vandylx

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Originally by: Mashie Saldana

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Originally by: Zyphore

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Question: What would happen if you were training a learning skill as the 10:00 downtime began?

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It will end and if you don't have any other skill in the queue you won't gain any more SP until you log back in.

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A related question:

Let's say at 08:00 before the Incursion 1.0.1 patch, your skill queue looks like this:

1. Empathy V (20 hours remaining)
2. Battlecruisers V (25 days remaining)

What will happen to your skill queue after the patch is applied?

Will there be a point (let's call it 14:00 for argument) at which Empathy V will be stopped and Battlecruisers V will be promoted to take its place?

In which case, at 14:00, you'll have a queue that is:

1. Battlecruisers V (25 days left)

Plus the skill points from Empathy V trained up to 14:00 will be put into the unallocated skill point pool?

Or, will the skill queue be simply emptied? Or, something else?

Thanks,

Callin

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"?Our UI designers and programmers were in holiday mood, and overhauled the Neural Remap window, making it much more intuitive. Why not check it out and see if any other gifts await you there!"

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"Our UI designers and programmers were in holiday mood, and overhauled the Neural Remap window, making it much more intuitive. Why not check it out and see if any other gifts await you there!"

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Originally by: Mashie Saldana

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Originally by: Zyphore

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Question: What would happen if you were training a learning skill as the 10:00 downtime began?

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It will end and if you don't have any other skill in the queue you won't gain any more SP until you log back in.

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Originally by: Mashie Saldana

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Originally by: Callin Vandylx

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Originally by: Mashie Saldana

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Originally by: Zyphore

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Question: What would happen if you were training a learning skill as the 10:00 downtime began?

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It will end and if you don't have any other skill in the queue you won't gain any more SP until you log back in.

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A related question:

Let's say at 08:00 before the Incursion 1.0.1 patch, your skill queue looks like this:

1. Empathy V (20 hours remaining)
2. Battlecruisers V (25 days remaining)

What will happen to your skill queue after the patch is applied?

Will there be a point (let's call it 14:00 for argument) at which Empathy V will be stopped and Battlecruisers V will be promoted to take its place?

In which case, at 14:00, you'll have a queue that is:

1. Battlecruisers V (25 days left)

Plus the skill points from Empathy V trained up to 14:00 will be put into the unallocated skill point pool?

Or, will the skill queue be simply emptied? Or, something else?

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When the cleanup script is started, the SP in Empathy up to that moment is moved to the reimbursement pool and Battlecruisers V will be started.

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Originally by: Ranka Mei

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"?Our UI designers and programmers were in holiday mood, and overhauled the Neural Remap window, making it much more intuitive. Why not check it out and see if any other gifts await you there!"

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Hmm, now I'm thinking maybe we DO get a free remap, after all. I mean, CCP suggests we check out the Neural Remap window, and see what other gifts are THERE. That can't be much else than an extra remap; or an extra attribute point.

Could also the dev is simply, in a bit of a clumsily worded manner, referring to the advent of the Echelon. :)

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Yes, but if you are not going to reach a new training level of Empathy prior to the deployment then you should just stop training it immediately and switch to Battlecruisers.

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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Yes, but if you are not going to reach a new training level of Empathy prior to the deployment then you should just stop training it immediately and switch to Battlecruisers.

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This contradicts the explanation of the process that we have been given. If the player's rate of training of Empathy is greater than his rate of training of Battlecruisers, he should continue training Empathy as long as he can.

The caveat is that at DT on the 14th, everyone should insure that their skill queues contain at least one non-learning skill (as Callin describes, for example) -- and, like all extended DTs, that the queue contains a multi-day skill.

The potential gotcha occurs when a player goes into the DT with a queue that contains nothing but learning skills, because that will result in an empty skill queue.

Those engaging in skillpoint arbitrage who have a long-period learning skill training that would complete after the DT need to manually stop training the skill before the DT and load up their queue with non-learning skills, otherwise they will get caught by the gotcha.

However, those who have a learning skill that completes during the downtime, and other skills in their queue after the learning skill, will get the maximum possible benefit from skillpoints arbitrage.

If the above description is incorrect, then the correct explanation needs to be broadly disseminated ASAP -- because this is how all the players I know thing it is going to work -- and it may become a major petition headache.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Originally by: Ranka Mei

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"?Our UI designers and programmers were in holiday mood, and overhauled the Neural Remap window, making it much more intuitive. Why not check it out and see if any other gifts await you there!"

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Hmm, now I'm thinking maybe we DO get a free remap, after all. I mean, CCP suggests we check out the Neural Remap window, and see what other gifts are THERE. That can't be much else than an extra remap; or an extra attribute point.

Could also the dev is simply, in a bit of a clumsily worded manner, referring to the advent of the Echelon. :)

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I guess you won't find out unless you take a look at the window post-deployment.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Let's put some numbers on the table. I'm using a specific character, your mileage may vary depending on attributes, learning skills and implants.

I can train Battlecruiser at 1,912 SP/hour. All learning skills are less or equal SP/hour so they are not worth training compared to Battlecruiser, except Logic at 2,009 SP/hour. By training Logic and then post-deployment assigning those SPs to Battlecruiser then I could effectively be training Battlecruiser at 2,009 SP/hour, at a gain of additional 97 SP/hour.

If I make a mistake and leave Logic in the queue during the deployment then I won't be training at all, at an effective loss of 1,912 SP/hour. During each hour of deployment then I would be losing 19,7 hours of arbitrage. The deployment is 5 hours 30 minutes so the total loss would be 108.4 hours of arbitrage.

The gain of the arbitrage could be quite minimal, but if you know what you are doing, do the calculations for your character and don't leave the learning skill in the queue during the deployment then there is some (small) gain.

I still stick to my original recommendation that pilots stop training learning skills as soon as possible. It's simplest and the (small) gain could be wiped by the significant loss if you do it wrong.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Let's put some numbers on the table. I'm using a specific character, your mileage may vary depending on attributes, learning skills and implants.

I can train Battlecruiser at 1,912 SP/hour. All learning skills are less or equal SP/hour so they are not worth training compared to Battlecruiser, except Logic at 2,009 SP/hour. By training Logic and then post-deployment assigning those SPs to Battlecruiser then I could effectively be training Battlecruiser at 2,009 SP/hour, at a gain of additional 97 SP/hour.

If I make a mistake and leave Logic in the queue during the deployment then I won't be training at all, at an effective loss of 1,912 SP/hour. During each hour of deployment then I would be losing 19,7 hours of arbitrage. The deployment is 5 hours 30 minutes so the total loss would be 108.4 hours of arbitrage.

The gain of the arbitrage could be quite minimal, but if you know what you are doing, do the calculations for your character and don't leave the learning skill in the queue during the deployment then there is some (small) gain.

I still stick to my original recommendation that pilots stop training learning skills as soon as possible. It's simplest and the (small) gain could be wiped by the significant loss if you do it wrong.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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SNIP!

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Originally by: Vincent Athena

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Typo? Or has something about drones been fixed in the Mac?

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Originally by: Callin Vandylx

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Originally by: Vincent Athena

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Typo? Or has something about drones been fixed in the Mac?

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All Tech II drones have been upgraded to Mac OS X Snow Leopard. In the final patch of Incursion, they intend to upgrade all the remaining Tech I and faction drones to Snow Leopard as well.

Hopefully this will reduce the number of drone-attacking malware incidents.

Cheers,

Callin

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Originally by: Vincent Athena

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In the patch notes in the fixes section there is this:

* Mac
o The Mac client now supports anti-aliasing.
o Drones


With nothing after "drones".
Typo? Or has something about drones been fixed in the Mac?

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Originally by: Vincent Athena

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In the patch notes in the fixes section there is this:

* Mac
o The Mac client now supports anti-aliasing.
o Drones


With nothing after "drones".
Typo? Or has something about drones been fixed in the Mac?

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Originally by: Omega Flames

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EVE Christmas has been delayed by 24 hours due to time flux /cry

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Originally by: Vincent Athena

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Hmmm, CCP does deployment dress rehearsals on Singularity. Nice to know.

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Originally by: xxxak

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The people in this thread are sick.

Who gives a **** if you train 15 SP/hour faster?

LOL.

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Originally by: Rip Minner

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I dont know what to do with the 5.3mil sp. lolz

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Originally by: Matalino

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Stuff

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Your example is perfectly clear for the case where the skill queue is left empty as a result of the change, but it does not clearly address the case where the learning skill would complete during the scheduled downtime.

Here is the specifics of the situation I am refering to. I have 4 characters in this situtation with skill completion times that varying by only a few minutes.

After the changes, the characters will have a learning rate of 1680 SP/hour (currently 1296 SP/hour) for the skills against which I plan to use skill point arbitrage. Currently the characters are training Eidetic Memory V, at a rate of 2365 SP/hour. Eidetic Memory V is queued to complete at 2010-12-14 10:50:38. I will put a multi-day non-learning skill in the queue to fill it so that there should be no missed training time.

Now the question is: how will the removal of learning skills be handled?

Will I have 50 minutes of no skill training because learning skills will be removed before the skill queues are updated?

Will I have a longer missed training time because the skill points aquired since the last time the skill queue is updated are not added into the refunded skill points?

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Will I get the expected skill points for the completion of Eidetic Memory up until the script is run to update the skill queues? Will the next skill start as soon as Eidetic Memory is paused/completed?

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Originally by: Sassums

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Disappointed the patch was pushed back 24 hours...

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Originally by: Naga Tokiba

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Sorry CCP, yet another totally borring Incursion patch.

No fix to PI Click-sink, No system wide belts, no nothing.
Just a few fixes.

January patch better bring some delayed x-mas fun.

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Originally by: Ifly Uwalk

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◦Our UI designers and programmers were in holiday mood, and overhauled the Neural Remap window, making it much more intuitive. Why not check it out and see if any other gifts await you there!

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Oooo PLEASE CCP santa give us what we want :) Remap I been a good eve member :P 5 yrs and counting
Had to drop my 0.02 ISK in.
We sell anything that we can make a buck on

Originally by: Lord Rapture

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so do we get a remap?

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Originally by: Exsosus

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So, back in the afternoon CCP says. Any takers we will be able to log on in the evening time? Night?

My own guess is it will be up by about 20:00 UTC. Just basing this on historical events, that being the majority of the patches for Tranqulity

I think its good though, better slow and do it right, rather than on time and problems with the game.

What are your opinions.

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Originally by: Balcanis

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Edited by: Balcanis on 15/12/2010 10:34:14
Can't wait to get rid of the Learning Skills. However, I would like to know how will they distribute the new attributes points, general default setting or the CCP is going to give us a Christmas Neural Remap? Now, that would be very nice

Anyways, I have full confidence in CCP guys, so altough there might be issues and might come a little bit later than expected, I'm 100% they will resolve them ASAP.
Deploying and implementing new platforms and technologies in general is never problems-free so give them a break.

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Originally by: Balcanis

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Edited by: Balcanis on 15/12/2010 10:34:14
Can't wait to get rid of the Learning Skills. However, I would like to know how will they distribute the new attributes points, general default setting or the CCP is going to give us a Christmas Neural Remap? Now, that would be very nice

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Originally by: Caldariftw123

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Originally by: Callin Vandylx

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Originally by: Vincent Athena

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Typo? Or has something about drones been fixed in the Mac?

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All Tech II drones have been upgraded to Mac OS X Snow Leopard. In the final patch of Incursion, they intend to upgrade all the remaining Tech I and faction drones to Snow Leopard as well.

Hopefully this will reduce the number of drone-attacking malware incidents.

Cheers,

Callin

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Along with the Mac "Upgrade" in the spirit of usual CCP and Mac issues the drones will now no longer deploy as they will have interface problems between yoru ship and the drone.

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Originally by: Dru Adare

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Can't wait to get my learning SP back. Some of us were "determined" to level them all the way. I thought of it as a mini accomplishment. Now I'll get 5.3 mil SP to play with?? Thank You CCP Santa!!!

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Originally by: Mrs Zor

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Originally by: Dru Adare

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Learning to learn was a bit silly to begin with and tied up new players in redundancy for a long time which can be very discouraging for new people discovering EVE for the first time. Perhaps they will find renewed interest as noobies get into desired ships faster.

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I would have been an '05 character instead of an '09 had I understood the screens and what you were supposed to do better the first time I tried the trial. I messed around on screen for a couple hours got nowhere and gave up. Four years later....I knew someone who was playing and had help getting started. $14.95 x 12 x 4 x (number people felt same way) = -$$$$$$ for CCP.

Originally by: Hakkar'al Gallente

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"Problem" is I don't know what to put the remaining sp on - oh well ... I can live with that too

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Originally by: Jacob Menard

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Originally by: Mrs Zor

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Originally by: Dru Adare

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Learning to learn was a bit silly to begin with and tied up new players in redundancy for a long time which can be very discouraging for new people discovering EVE for the first time. Perhaps they will find renewed interest as noobies get into desired ships faster.

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I would have been an '05 character instead of an '09 had I understood the screens and what you were supposed to do better the first time I tried the trial. I messed around on screen for a couple hours got nowhere and gave up. Four years later....I knew someone who was playing and had help getting started. $14.95 x 12 x 4 x (number people felt same way) = -$$$$$$ for CCP.

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Yeah, that was my case too. I first started the game in 2006. or 2007. can't really remember but I left it after one or two months. I can't say it was only due to the Learning Skills, although "learn to learn" was a little confusing at the time. The second big factor was that I had trouble finding the right corp. I was very lucky this year when I started again. I joined the corp full of active players that were more than willing to help noobies.

Originally by: Balcanis

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Yeah, that was my case too. I first started the game in 2006. or 2007. can't really remember but I left it after one or two months. I can't say it was only due to the Learning Skills, although "learn to learn" was a little confusing at the time. The second big factor was that I had trouble finding the right corp. I was very lucky this year when I started again. I joined the corp full of active players that were more than willing to help noobies.

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Originally by: Mrs Zor

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Although it is a VERY welcome change, it's no CCP Santa giving you anything. You earned those points by already training them! Change or not, you would still be benefiting from them.

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Originally by: Jacob Menard

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Originally by: Balcanis

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Yeah, that was my case too. I first started the game in 2006. or 2007. can't really remember but I left it after one or two months. I can't say it was only due to the Learning Skills, although "learn to learn" was a little confusing at the time. The second big factor was that I had trouble finding the right corp. I was very lucky this year when I started again. I joined the corp full of active players that were more than willing to help noobies.

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The big thing was the screen and lack of instructions of what to do. I didnt even know you could join a corp or how to for that matter. Whatever happened to the good ol days of boxed games with instruction manuals....

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Originally by: Dru Adare

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Originally by: Mrs Zor

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Although it is a VERY welcome change, it's no CCP Santa giving you anything. You earned those points by already training them! Change or not, you would still be benefiting from them.

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Technically you're correct but my point was that CCP Santa was giving me back those points that I spent time on when I didn't have a clear plan laid out. Now that time I invested was not completely lost.

Next time I find myself wanting to fly a ship or use a module that I'm lacking the skills for, I can insta-learn it by applying points from my Xmas stocking stash.

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Originally by: Hykke

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Edited by: Hykke on 15/12/2010 12:04:24
So what's the status CCP?
Is the deployment on track, or have you hit any problems so far?

Personally I think there should be some hourly status updates available during upgrades, CCP should have the manpower to provide us with information...
EVEN if the status update is a boring "Still updating database, no problems so far"

(It's better to prepare us for a delay now than wait until 5 minutes after you were supposed to go live)

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Originally by: KaziKai

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Dont Burn me yet.. Im still trying to figure out EVE...

the Learning Skill Points

what do everyone mean by they can drop SP or Death to the SP? does that mean for what you dont use anymore you can delete the SP and try other things? cause I thought you need some skills to move up on to a better skill....

Im really lost now...

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Originally by: KaziKai

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Dont Burn me yet.. Im still trying to figure out EVE...

the Learning Skill Points

what do everyone mean by they can drop SP or Death to the SP? does that mean for what you dont use anymore you can delete the SP and try other things? cause I thought you need some skills to move up on to a better skill....

Im really lost now...

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Originally by: LeifWNilsen

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Was rallyin' through various ccp sites.. amongst other screenshots for dust 514.. have u noticed the table in this pic? isn't this a giant iPad??

picture: http://www.dust514.org/images/stories/screenshots/dust514_wb_commandpit.jpg

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Originally by: Kregan Gadhar

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My question would be, I forget how many years they said maxing out your learns it would take to pay off. Either way it was a great deal of time before those bonuses really made a difference. I know actually few who trained all the way in the game, but that also means there are probably a lot who did. Though it seems the masses probably have not. So, those of us who actually took the time to invest in the long term gain from the game, which the playing field has now been evened up for everyone. Is there any extra "gift" for those of us who were looking to the future of this game, to reap the benefits of having already maxed out what everyone has now been freely given as a "gift" to those who did not?

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Originally by: Kregan Gadhar

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Is there any extra "gift" for those of us who were looking to the future of this game, to reap the benefits of having already maxed out what everyone has now been freely given as a "gift" to those who did not?

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Originally by: Zibathy

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So... is the patch not downloading for anybody else?

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Originally by: LifeHatesMe

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But hey, they wanted a quick and dirty way to fix it.

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Originally by: Mrs Zor

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Its too early. have 2 hours yet

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Originally by: Mulletman007

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Question, will we get 24hours worth of SP added to our accounts after this extended downtime has been completed? I hope so

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Originally by: Mulletman007

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Question, will we get 24hours worth of SP added to our accounts after this extended downtime has been completed? I hope so

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Originally by: Mulletman007

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Question, will we get 24hours worth of SP added to our accounts after this extended downtime has been completed? I hope so

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Originally by: Boltorano

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Originally by: LifeHatesMe

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But hey, they wanted a quick and dirty way to fix it.

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Quick and dirty? They've been planning this exact change since early 2009 (http://massively.joystiq.com/2010/11/26/massively-interviews-ccp-greyscale-on-the-eve-christmas-gift/), possibly even earlier. If you have a better suggestion that would be simple and fair to most people, I'd love to hear it.

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Originally by: Boltorano

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Quick and dirty? They've been planning this exact change since early 2009 (http://massively.joystiq.com/2010/11/26/massively-interviews-ccp-greyscale-on-the-eve-christmas-gift/), possibly even earlier. If you have a better suggestion that would be simple and fair to most people, I'd love to hear it.

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Originally by: LifeHatesMe

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Nope, in some ways it is getting nerfed, as written from another thread, you are losing a potential 72 sp/hour. But hey, they wanted a quick and dirty way to fix it.

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Originally by: LifeHatesMe

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Nope, in some ways it is getting nerfed, as written from another thread, you are losing a potential 72 sp/hour. But hey, they wanted a quick and dirty way to fix it.

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Originally by: Larton Dretta

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Originally by: LifeHatesMe

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Nope, in some ways it is getting nerfed, as written from another thread, you are losing a potential 72 sp/hour. But hey, they wanted a quick and dirty way to fix it.

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Sorry, but how long does it take to train, IDK, let's say 4 milion SP if you're training 72 SP/h?

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Originally by: Couger 911

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regardless of what ppl say, i picked achura race for there attributes, i got stuck with a but ugly chinese dude for my picture...so i could have better atibs

so now im going to lose my 26intel and 25mem and still be stuck with ******ed looking chinese dude.....for what reason.... so noobs can have better training, i lose in all instances, this will only make my game worse

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Originally by: Balcanis

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Originally by: Couger 911

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regardless of what ppl say, i picked achura race for there attributes, i got stuck with a but ugly chinese dude for my picture...so i could have better atibs

so now im going to lose my 26intel and 25mem and still be stuck with ******ed looking chinese dude.....for what reason.... so noobs can have better training, i lose in all instances, this will only make my game worse

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Hmm, as I remember reading on some post some time ago, it doesn't really matter what race you pick. The only difference in the beggining is that you get some starter skills that are related towards your own race, but you can overcome that if you start training skills for some other race. Or am I wrong?

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Originally by: Mrs Zor

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Originally by: Mulletman007

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Question, will we get 24hours worth of SP added to our accounts after this extended downtime has been completed? I hope so

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Short answer: No

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Originally by: Couger 911

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regardless of what ppl say, i picked achura race for there attributes, i got stuck with a but ugly chinese dude for my picture...so i could have better atibs

so now im going to lose my 26intel and 25mem and still be stuck with ******ed looking chinese dude.....for what reason.... so noobs can have better training, i lose in all instances, this will only make my game worse

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Originally by: Halo Phase

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Ok so this all sounds very good, especially the death to learning skills - who needs to learn how to lear?
However, where are all the notes that let us know if the path is on schedule for an on time delivery?
I am sat by the PC begging for the deployment so I can allocate those skill points to other slots and there isnt a single thread from CCP to let us know if it is going to plan and on time. I'm waiting guys...

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Originally by: Couger 911

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regardless of what ppl say, i picked achura race for there attributes, i got stuck with a but ugly chinese dude for my picture...so i could have better atibs

so now im going to lose my 26intel and 25mem and still be stuck with ******ed looking chinese dude.....for what reason.... so noobs can have better training, i lose in all instances, this will only make my game worse

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Originally by: Halo Phase

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there isnt a single thread from CCP to let us know if it is going to plan and on time. I'm waiting guys...

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Originally by: Balcanis

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Originally by: Halo Phase

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Ok so this all sounds very good, especially the death to learning skills - who needs to learn how to lear?
However, where are all the notes that let us know if the path is on schedule for an on time delivery?
I am sat by the PC begging for the deployment so I can allocate those skill points to other slots and there isnt a single thread from CCP to let us know if it is going to plan and on time. I'm waiting guys...

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Well, actually this is the thread for that, but we turned it into something else cause the CCP guys aren't talking.

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Originally by: Couger 911

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Originally by: Balcanis

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Originally by: Couger 911

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regardless of what ppl say, i picked achura race for there attributes, i got stuck with a but ugly chinese dude for my picture...so i could have better atibs

so now im going to lose my 26intel and 25mem and still be stuck with ******ed looking chinese dude.....for what reason.... so noobs can have better training, i lose in all instances, this will only make my game worse

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Hmm, as I remember reading on some post some time ago, it doesn't really matter what race you pick. The only difference in the beggining is that you get some starter skills that are related towards your own race, but you can overcome that if you start training skills for some other race. Or am I wrong?

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your wrong achura had the best atribs

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Originally by: Couger 911

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regardless of what ppl say, i picked achura race for there attributes, i got stuck with a but ugly chinese dude for my picture...so i could have better atibs

so now im going to lose my 26intel and 25mem and still be stuck with ******ed looking chinese dude.....for what reason.... so noobs can have better training, i lose in all instances, this will only make my game worse

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Originally by: Spark Rinn

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Originally by: Couger 911

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regardless of what ppl say, i picked achura race for there attributes, i got stuck with a but ugly chinese dude for my picture...so i could have better atibs

so now im going to lose my 26intel and 25mem and still be stuck with ******ed looking chinese dude.....for what reason.... so noobs can have better training, i lose in all instances, this will only make my game worse

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If you already have tens of milions of SP you don't lose an edge when compared to newer players. Older players like you who had the full 5.3 mil SP in learning are affected in the same way, so nothing to get worked up about there either. You can also distribute more SP compared to people who don't have the full learning SP. Please don't tell me that this will make your game worse because it's kinda ridiculous.

Your other concern - your avatar - you'll soon be able to redo your avatar.

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Originally by: Yugo Reventlov

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Originally by: Larton Dretta

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Originally by: LifeHatesMe

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Nope, in some ways it is getting nerfed, as written from another thread, you are losing a potential 72 sp/hour. But hey, they wanted a quick and dirty way to fix it.

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Sorry, but how long does it take to train, IDK, let's say 4 milion SP if you're training 72 SP/h?

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6.5 years

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Originally by: Viktor Rasmussen

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Do the reimbursed SP have a timeframe until they need to be assigned into the Character or can I keep them for special purposes as long as I want?

I consider to keep these SP to only assign them in special situations. Lets say "oh damn, I need that shiny new toy but I need to have this skill at 5 first. Oh wait.... *click click* finised!"
Would be awesome :)

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Originally by: AveryFaneActual

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soooooooooooooooooo- we able to DL patch soon?

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Originally by: Sean DT

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Hey update forum! I've been looking everywhere now, log-in game screen, eveonline facebook page, eve gate , here, but the last message I see from CCP is from the 12th regarding the 24h delay. Even game log-in screen is not updated. Did CCP guys sleep over? I don't understand why it doesn't say anywhere that Update has now begun and is on schedule etc... instead it just says the old message that update is delayed 24h and will begin at 10am on the 15th. That's today.. so has it started? Is it on track? Did a giant vulcano wipe out Iceland?

Any sign of life from CCP would be appreciated.

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Originally by: Sean DT

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Originally by: Sean DT

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Hey update forum! I've been looking everywhere now, log-in game screen, eveonline facebook page, eve gate , here, but the last message I see from CCP is from the 12th regarding the 24h delay. Even game log-in screen is not updated. Did CCP guys sleep over? I don't understand why it doesn't say anywhere that Update has now begun and is on schedule etc... instead it just says the old message that update is delayed 24h and will begin at 10am on the 15th. That's today.. so has it started? Is it on track? Did a giant vulcano wipe out Iceland?

Any sign of life from CCP would be appreciated.

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Latest Zulu dev blog is from 11th of nov. ..
Patching supposed to be done by 15.30. It probably will be. But it would just be great with a short CCP comment stating that Update is in progress, everything is on track and headquarter is not buried under lava. Thx

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Originally by: MoP342

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Originally by: AveryFaneActual

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soooooooooooooooooo- we able to DL patch soon?

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Yeah, has someone out there got the new Download link for the latest patch?

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Originally by: Playin' Fog

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Originally by: Viktor Rasmussen

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Do the reimbursed SP have a timeframe until they need to be assigned into the Character or can I keep them for special purposes as long as I want?

I consider to keep these SP to only assign them in special situations. Lets say "oh damn, I need that shiny new toy but I need to have this skill at 5 first. Oh wait.... *click click* finised!"
Would be awesome :)

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Reading devblog can be very usefull...

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Originally by: Kanako Wakabayashi

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Latest Zulu dev blog is from 11th of nov. ..
Patching supposed to be done by 15.30. It probably will be. But it would just be great with a short CCP comment stating that Update is in progress, everything is on track and headquarter is not buried under lava. Thx

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Originally by: Sig Karillion

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Edited by: Sig Karillion on 15/12/2010 14:09:01

Originally by: Sean DT

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Originally by: Sean DT

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Hey update forum! I've been looking everywhere now, log-in game screen, eveonline facebook page, eve gate , here, but the last message I see from CCP is from the 12th regarding the 24h delay. Even game log-in screen is not updated. Did CCP guys sleep over? I don't understand why it doesn't say anywhere that Update has now begun and is on schedule etc... instead it just says the old message that update is delayed 24h and will begin at 10am on the 15th. That's today.. so has it started? Is it on track? Did a giant vulcano wipe out Iceland?

Any sign of life from CCP would be appreciated.

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Latest Zulu dev blog is from 11th of nov. ..
Patching supposed to be done by 15.30. It probably will be. But it would just be great with a short CCP comment stating that Update is in progress, everything is on track and headquarter is not buried under lava. Thx

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This ^^

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Originally by: Viktor Rasmussen

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Originally by: Playin' Fog

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Originally by: Viktor Rasmussen

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Do the reimbursed SP have a timeframe until they need to be assigned into the Character or can I keep them for special purposes as long as I want?

I consider to keep these SP to only assign them in special situations. Lets say "oh damn, I need that shiny new toy but I need to have this skill at 5 first. Oh wait.... *click click* finised!"
Would be awesome :)

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Reading devblog can be very usefull...

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Damn, thanks for this helpful information dude :) A simple yes/no would enough. In the end are all informations out there anywhere. So why doing a forum for talking and asking...

nevermind

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Originally by: Kanako Wakabayashi

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Latest Zulu dev blog is from 11th of nov. ..
Patching supposed to be done by 15.30. It probably will be. But it would just be great with a short CCP comment stating that Update is in progress, everything is on track and headquarter is not buried under lava. Thx

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Originally by: weedstash

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Originally by: Viktor Rasmussen

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Originally by: Playin' Fog

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Originally by: Viktor Rasmussen

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Do the reimbursed SP have a timeframe until they need to be assigned into the Character or can I keep them for special purposes as long as I want?

I consider to keep these SP to only assign them in special situations. Lets say "oh damn, I need that shiny new toy but I need to have this skill at 5 first. Oh wait.... *click click* finised!"
Would be awesome :)

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Reading devblog can be very usefull...

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Damn, thanks for this helpful information dude :) A simple yes/no would enough. In the end are all informations out there anywhere. So why doing a forum for talking and asking...

nevermind

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Actually, if you prefer your information digested for you: yes, all your SP are deleted if you don't spend them within 5 minutes after the server is back up (independent of your login or patch download time).

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Originally by: Colonel Vlad

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You must be new players if you think CCP is going to deploy on time

Standard procedure is;
CCP estimated time to complete + 12h (+-) 8hours.


Also, CCP newer(ever!) gives heads up until the very last minute.
Hang in there, my bet is the patch is done in 5 hours since the patch is available in EVE server status page.

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Originally by: MAJ Stubble

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Are they changing the planet setup. or is that in the Jan update

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Originally by: Balcanis

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Originally by: Halo Phase

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Ok so this all sounds very good, especially the death to learning skills - who needs to learn how to lear?
However, where are all the notes that let us know if the path is on schedule for an on time delivery?
I am sat by the PC begging for the deployment so I can allocate those skill points to other slots and there isnt a single thread from CCP to let us know if it is going to plan and on time. I'm waiting guys...

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Well, actually this is the thread for that, but we turned it into something else cause the CCP guys aren't talking.

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Originally by: Colonel Vlad

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You must be new players if you think CCP is going to deploy on time

Standard procedure is;
CCP estimated time to complete + 12h (+-) 8hours.


Also, CCP newer(ever!) gives heads up until the very last minute.
Hang in there, my bet is the patch is done in 5 hours since the patch is available in EVE server status page.

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Originally by: AveryFaneActual

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*shudder*

Dominion was record breaking ****face

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Originally by: Phyllis Stein

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It's past 1530 UTC

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Originally by: Vjorn Angannon

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Originally by: Balcanis

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Originally by: Halo Phase

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Ok so this all sounds very good, especially the death to learning skills - who needs to learn how to lear?
However, where are all the notes that let us know if the path is on schedule for an on time delivery?
I am sat by the PC begging for the deployment so I can allocate those skill points to other slots and there isnt a single thread from CCP to let us know if it is going to plan and on time. I'm waiting guys...

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Well, actually this is the thread for that, but we turned it into something else cause the CCP guys aren't talking.

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Well actually, HERE is the update thread.

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Originally by: DrGreenthumb UnceUnce

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4. We all get 10 times the ammount of SP back becuase the server fails at math.

Just my predictions.

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Originally by: Larton Dretta

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Originally by: LifeHatesMe

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Nope, in some ways it is getting nerfed, as written from another thread, you are losing a potential 72 sp/hour. But hey, they wanted a quick and dirty way to fix it.

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Sorry, but how long does it take to train, IDK, let's say 4 milion SP if you're training 72 SP/h?

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Originally by: Zaylia Zii

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I've been playing this game for less than a year and I gotta say this CCP group sucks. I mean why do you waste so much time with these new patches? As soon as you get the bugs worked out of the newest version you start announcing the next patch! LOL ...are you afraid SINS is going to take over your market? No way! Just leave it alone and let us play. CCP is the MOST unfriendly company to it's base that I've have seen in gaming since Ultrnix back in the early 1990's. I won't quit you CCP because no other game can touch you and all my friends have years invested in you but someday some company is going to figure out how to transfer (legally) all the data from EVE into a game that is similar and you will see a mass exodus. Stop with the bells and whistles that don't work...stop being so "involved" in our fantasy. It's like having a ******ed god that pops in and does a big belly flop in the pool of life and we gotta reset everything....GO AWAY!

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Originally by: Zaylia Zii

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I've been playing this game for less than a year and I gotta say this CCP group sucks. I mean why do you waste so much time with these new patches? As soon as you get the bugs worked out of the newest version you start announcing the next patch! LOL ...are you afraid SINS is going to take over your market? No way! Just leave it alone and let us play. CCP is the MOST unfriendly company to it's base that I've have seen in gaming since Ultrnix back in the early 1990's. I won't quit you CCP because no other game can touch you and all my friends have years invested in you but someday some company is going to figure out how to transfer (legally) all the data from EVE into a game that is similar and you will see a mass exodus. Stop with the bells and whistles that don't work...stop being so "involved" in our fantasy. It's like having a ******ed god that pops in and does a big belly flop in the pool of life and we gotta reset everything....GO AWAY!

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Originally by: Hayden After

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it's 1 extra remap.. it was tested on the test server..

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Originally by: Ancyker

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Please throw some snowball launchers and snowballs in there too, please. :)

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Originally by: Zaylia Zii

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I've been playing this game for less than a year and I gotta say this CCP group sucks. I mean why do you waste so much time with these new patches? As soon as you get the bugs worked out of the newest version you start announcing the next patch! LOL ...are you afraid SINS is going to take over your market? No way! Just leave it alone and let us play. CCP is the MOST unfriendly company to it's base that I've have seen in gaming since Ultrnix back in the early 1990's. I won't quit you CCP because no other game can touch you and all my friends have years invested in you but someday some company is going to figure out how to transfer (legally) all the data from EVE into a game that is similar and you will see a mass exodus. Stop with the bells and whistles that don't work...stop being so "involved" in our fantasy. It's like having a ******ed god that pops in and does a big belly flop in the pool of life and we gotta reset everything....GO AWAY!

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Originally by: Consortium Agent

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Originally by: Ancyker

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Please throw some snowball launchers and snowballs in there too, please. :)

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I second, or third, or 100th this... I would very much like snowball launchers and snowballs again too :) C'mon... and bring the dev's and guys out on Xmas day and let us pound you like we used to in the old days... I mean, uh, hurl friendly fire at CONCORD, yeah... yeah...

Seriously, snowball fights were the best. So much fun. :)

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Originally by: mine alot

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lol instead of eveholic u¦re turning into an Alcoholic..
Stick with even and u¦ll live longer

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Originally by: Zaylia Zii

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I've been playing this game for less than a year and I gotta say this CCP group sucks. I mean why do you waste so much time with these new patches? As soon as you get the bugs worked out of the newest version you start announcing the next patch! LOL ...are you afraid SINS is going to take over your market? No way! Just leave it alone and let us play. CCP is the MOST unfriendly company to it's base that I've have seen in gaming since Ultrnix back in the early 1990's. I won't quit you CCP because no other game can touch you and all my friends have years invested in you but someday some company is going to figure out how to transfer (legally) all the data from EVE into a game that is similar and you will see a mass exodus. Stop with the bells and whistles that don't work...stop being so "involved" in our fantasy. It's like having a ******ed god that pops in and does a big belly flop in the pool of life and we gotta reset everything....GO AWAY!

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Originally by: blueeyesDK

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what do U mean 1 extra remap?

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Originally by: Hayden After

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Originally by: blueeyesDK

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what do U mean 1 extra remap?

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lol.. are u serious?

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Originally by: cowboyxxx

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I've started drinking vodka and V8 Splash at 9:30 am in anticipation. See what no EVE DOES TO ME!!!

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Originally by: Balcanis

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Deployment end time delayed 30 minutes. So it's 16:00 UTC now!

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Originally by: cowboyxxx

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I've started drinking vodka and V8 Splash at 9:30 am in anticipation. See what no EVE DOES TO ME!!!

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Originally by: Calypso72

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Originally by: Balcanis

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Deployment end time delayed 30 minutes. So it's 16:00 UTC now!

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Where you get your info from??

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Originally by: Devi Kalidas

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Originally by: cowboyxxx

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I've started drinking vodka and V8 Splash at 9:30 am in anticipation. See what no EVE DOES TO ME!!!

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vodka it on our way, respect ;)

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Originally by: cowboyxxx

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Originally by: Hayden After

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Originally by: blueeyesDK

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what do U mean 1 extra remap?

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lol.. are u serious?

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Being rude and mean to newer members to the community and game is one the top reasons they leave the game.

Being and elitist is not cool, not favored, and shows you have a small willy wacker.

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Originally by: cowboyxxx

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It's only 15:00 UTC time right now...

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Originally by: Zaylia Zii

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I've been playing this game for less than a year and I gotta say this CCP group sucks. I mean why do you waste so much time with these new patches? As soon as you get the bugs worked out of the newest version you start announcing the next patch! LOL ...are you afraid SINS is going to take over your market? No way! Just leave it alone and let us play. CCP is the MOST unfriendly company to it's base that I've have seen in gaming since Ultrnix back in the early 1990's. I won't quit you CCP because no other game can touch you and all my friends have years invested in you but someday some company is going to figure out how to transfer (legally) all the data from EVE into a game that is similar and you will see a mass exodus. Stop with the bells and whistles that don't work...stop being so "involved" in our fantasy. It's like having a ******ed god that pops in and does a big belly flop in the pool of life and we gotta reset everything....GO AWAY!

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Originally by: VaKuR vAkR

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Looks like we have to re-download the whole client eh? Or will autopatch work later?

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Originally by: Frater Bartmoss

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* cookies - check
* coffeeeee - check
* cigarettes - check
* no GF around - check
* enough time on my hands - check
* EVE - arghhhh!

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Originally by: Mareck001

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Aah Patch Day......
You can always guarantee a few things.....

* Someone who NEVER reads patch notes will ask questions that are covered in said notes
* Players will ***** and moan about the downtime
* Someone will publicly claim to getting drunk waiting for the patch to be deployed
* You will get koodles/rage about the updates
* You will get a delay in deployment

If you're not used to this yet, YOU need to find something better to do..........

I LOL'd @ all of you

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Originally by: Mareck001

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Aah Patch Day......
You can always guarantee a few things.....

* Someone who NEVER reads patch notes will ask questions that are covered in said notes
* Players will ***** and moan about the downtime
* Someone will publicly claim to getting drunk waiting for the patch to be deployed
* You will get koodles/rage about the updates
* You will get a delay in deployment

If you're not used to this yet, YOU need to find something better to do..........

I LOL'd @ all of you

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Originally by: Exsosus

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10 minutes before UTC 15:30! But remember, current news from CCP is 16:00 UTC. So 40 minutes, hope it comes online then!

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