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Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.12.12 20:00:00 - [31] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Level 6 skills for PLEX, one PLEX per rank to unlock for skill training. So to unlock a rank 5 skill so you can start train it to 6 would be 5 PLEX. I mean this wouldn't be used at all. I want battleship 6!
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2010.12.12 20:00:00 - [32] can't really say. In general I think the vanity-only rule is decent enough of a border, but being as PLEX/OOG services for ISK are already way over that line, I'm not certain what moral high ground we're attempting to hold. I mean, I don't think anyone wants to move towards a game where we'd all have to pay $15/month and an extra $x/month in microtransactions, but it's also overtly hypocritical of us to say *"Yes, we are totally against* ingame advantages for cash** (unless we can play for free)" Dunno. There's just not really a hard and fast rule that works; I think if CCP could introduce microtransactions that were fair and beneficial to all involved parties and provided value to the community I'd be okay with it. _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep!
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2010.12.12 20:41:00 - [33] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Mashie Saldana Level 6 skills for PLEX, one PLEX per rank to unlock for skill training. So to unlock a rank 5 skill so you can start train it to 6 would be 5 PLEX. I mean this wouldn't be used at all. I want battleship 6! I still remember the bug in the old character creation process (2 or more versions ago) which let people get mining VI if they chose the right career path Other suggestions: Covert Ops VI - negative CPU use for cloaks Tactical Shield Manipulation VI - negative damage bleed-through once you get below 25% shields Supply Chain Management VI - start jobs anywhere in EVE Seriously, though, we already have micro-transactions for nearly anything in EVE via plex, the sole exceptions being portrait swaps and character transfers. As long as everything remains available without spending RL cash on it, I really don't see what the fuss is about. As far as I'm concerned, it follows that a vote against micro-transactions is a vote against PLEX, and removing PLEX would be a bad thingÖ. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression
Soriam	Posted - 2010.12.12 21:22:00 - [34] If we have the rl money we should be able to purchase a max skilled character with every item (ship, bp etc) that Eve has to offer. It's a win-win situation. CCP makes more money I get to have FUN playing the game instead of wasting my time grinding thru the game.
HyperZerg	Posted - 2010.12.12 21:30:00 - [35] Monthley fee OR microtransaktions.
Temo Jick Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.12 21:32:00 - [36] Micro transactions are a slippery slope; most of the work that needs to be done to charge us for things that give advantages is the same as that which is needed to charge us for cosmetic changes. Once one has been accomplished the other can be implemented with very little extra work at all. My objection to all micro-transactions of any sort is fuelled by a simple lack of trust. I think by and large CCP do a good job and have good people working for them and I believe that this is largely in part to being majority owned by the companyÆs staff. Unfortunately developers I trust often get bought out by publicly owned publishers who then run them into the ground. While I have no reason to suspect this is going to happen to CCP, if it ever dose I donÆt want the ground work to be in place for money hungry stockholders to start leaching the player base for all they have. To error is human but to totaly fail to exterminate the enemy takes a drone.
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.12.12 21:36:00 - [37] Plex for 24hour stealth detection Plex for 24hour concord evasion Plex for supercap destruction Originally by: Kool StoryBro <--- Originally by: CCP Spitfire Spam post removed. Random forum moments ftw
Shadow Nebulae	Posted - 2010.12.12 21:38:00 - [38] Originally by: hired goon The aim of this thread is to help out CCP with some friendly feedback, what would YOU accept as an in-came object or service, that you'd have to pay one or two pounds for? "nothing" is a valid answer, but please try to approach this in a constructive and objective way, without just dismissing it out of hand. Thanks! Absolutely nothing.
000Hunter000 Gallente Industrial Exploits	Posted - 2010.12.12 21:56:00 - [39] BAH!!! I think beeing able to pay extra to get an advantage is bad mkay? It will only attract more horrible asshats who abuse their daddies creditcard to get a headstart in the game. If this ever happens i envision hordes of 12 year olds flying T3 ships within weeks of playing cuz who cares about losing sp when getting killed, i just throw a few more bucks around and i'm back on top again... Yes, call me a grumpy old vet, i don't care. If u thought plex was a bad idea, then this is an abbomination. ________________________________________________
Sister MadelineFlange	Posted - 2010.12.12 22:20:00 - [40] I'm fine with say, 1 million SP a year for 4 plex or ú/$50. This is a hard limit so you can only get an extra 1 million SP per account per calender year. You can use it as and when you need it in the manner that 're-funded' SP is given now - i.e. T3 pilots can save it in case they loose a ship etc If it's plex purchasable then everyone can grind for it over a 1 year period, rich kids can buy it on moms credit card and new players can get it after a qualifying period i.e. no trial accounts or similar. As long as it is not offered free to new players and all players have the option to grind for it or buy it then I don't see a problem as long as it is capped at a sensible maximum and only applicable to one character on an account.
Ludovic Sabre	Posted - 2010.12.12 22:49:00 - [41] EVE has never been much of a "designer" game. I mean, people who play WoW, or Allods might care whether their clothes match or not, but I don't think most Capsuleers will give a hoot about what their body looks like. The reason is because EVE isn't really about suits of armor, or nice swords (or guns even), rather its about space exploration, and conquest. So sure, put all the vanity MT's in, I will never use them. But the game has already been ruined enough with PLEX. Do not introduce something like that again. Just clothes, that's about all I would tolerate.
Black Dranzer Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.12 22:53:00 - [42] What would I "tollerate"? Actually, I'd probably tolerate quite a bit before I quit. I wouldn't like it very much, but I'd probably learn to live with it because Eve effectively has a monopoly on a niche. I'd take my money elsewhere, but there's honestly nowhere else to take my money. \|24 Hour Plex\|Mining Makeover\|
Antihrist Pripravnik 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.12.12 23:07:00 - [43] Custom ship paint (and similar things that has nothing to do with your character, skills, skill training time, ship performance or anything that can be used as an advantage over players that aren't using micro-transactions)
Brainless Bimbo Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.12.12 23:37:00 - [44] Edited by: Brainless Bimbo on 12/12/2010 23:38:02 CCP want more cash from the cow so basically what your asking is how we can provide that cash. Has not eve generated enough cash to buy White Wolf and all the possibilities with their IP and expend into console platform setting up Shanghai and developing Dust. Lets get things in perspective, CCP¦s growth has been provided with just a monthly sub and trying to screw more out cash for shiny objects will only appeal to shallow people with excess cash tb<brutally>h, it goes against the ethic of eve imho. Keep on top of the eve product development and launch WW¦s IP using Incarna tech and test at beta stage with both a micro trans based pay model, a straight sub type progression and a mix of both in one, market whats best. CCP should remove their heads from the waste expulsion outlets of the idiots with MBA¦s who are just short term accountant mentality types, i mean look at what their mentality has done to Iceland, why CCP do you want to the the same. edit: OP is a obvious troll, hired goons are not renowned for their intellect (yeah look at my name and point) ...... continues overleaf.
Ragnar256 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.13 00:02:00 - [45] A set of cosmetic ship variants(perhaps an Ammar made ship made for projectile weapons) that cannot be sold for isk nor contracted.Maybe small stuff like name changes, remaps, and possibly as a method for purchasing faction ammo.
Desirsar	Posted - 2010.12.13 00:26:00 - [46] Only fluff I would pay for is the ability to custom skin my ship. Yes, I know my way around Photoshop enough to put together something that would look appropriate and high quality. Would even consider paying for a "robust" in-game editor of some sort, even if it was just patterned tinting. Non-fluff? Allow me to back purchase months of EVE subscription (like, last month, where my account was not active) and gain the 2700SP/hour that I would have otherwise had.
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2010.12.13 00:33:00 - [47] So, after Incarna comes out, you all would be opposed to couches and furniture, along with different clothing being something for microtransactions, also? If it were in the pub that I plan on owning in a station, then yes I would be very much against microtransactions involving this, but in private spaces... I don't really see much of a problem tbh...
Joss56	Posted - 2010.12.13 00:35:00 - [48] How much it could cost me so that my rails have dmg/tracking fine and my blasters 20km instead of 7? That would be all for me sir.
Scifi Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.13 00:36:00 - [49] I wouldn't mind being able to buy some sort of "fluff" ships. Things like the interbus shuttle for example. A ship that wouldn't that wouldn't break the uniqueness of the current freebie ships and doesn't do anything other than let people say "Oh what's that??" as you flutter about in your fancy 5m^3 cargo'ed shuttle variant. Barring that I'm ok with the line of "As long it doesn't give someone a game-play advantage".
hired goon	Posted - 2010.12.13 23:31:00 - [50] friendly bump
Nemis Raven	Posted - 2010.12.13 23:40:00 - [51] 1 Plex for a Tengu. 2 Plex for a shiney new Nyx 20 Plex for a Titan And maybe make cash transactions for smaller ships such as Battlecruisers. $2 for a Hurricane. $5 for a Megathron. This would make eve the perfect MMORPG.
Nomad Vherokic	Posted - 2010.12.13 23:44:00 - [52] Nothing except game services. Vanity items... no thanks... if I wanted to see toons clad in pink hotpants gyrating their over-developed pelvises in front of each other I'd... erm... well... erm... Damn...
KurnKuku	Posted - 2010.12.13 23:46:00 - [53] Originally by: Nemis Raven 1 Plex for a Tengu. 2 Plex for a shiney new Nyx 20 Plex for a Titan And maybe make cash transactions for smaller ships such as Battlecruisers. $2 for a Hurricane. $5 for a Megathron. This would make eve the perfect MMORPG. You do realise this is exactly how some people already play? Buy GTC out of game, convert to plex, sell plex in game, buy shiny ship that they could not of afforded. Or even buy that nice titan pilot of the character bazaar. Everything in the game is a micro-transaction already. If people have real life money, they can have any advantage in game they like. As long as any ship is trade-able, it makes no difference if it is a micro-transaction or not.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2010.12.13 23:50:00 - [54] Novelty items with no stats, that's all. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2010.12.14 00:04:00 - [55] They would make a **** ton of money if they sold skills or skills up to XYZ... Lets just count our blessings that so far they've not done that.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.12.14 00:07:00 - [56] As long as ALL those microtransactions would HAVE to go through PLEX, I have nothing against... umm... well, just about anything. PLEX for remap, PLEX for extra character slots, PLEX for unique ships, skills or any other items not available anywhere else even if they are NOT purely cosmetic... basically, PLEX for *ANYTHING* is 100% fine by me. But only as long as PLEX are still in-game items that can be traded on the market. And heck, I would like them to be more granular, so instead of 1x 30-day PLEX, I'd love to see 30x 1-day PLEX. Minimum amount for application would have to stay at 30 days minimum though, but if I want to apply 40 or 83, why not. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Tressin Khiyne Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.12.14 00:46:00 - [57] Edited by: Tressin Khiyne on 14/12/2010 00:51:25 This whole argument lacks logic because I can buy a PLEX for isk. So if a neural remap costs 1 plex, it also costs 350 mil (or whatever a plex costs). There is only a perceived issue here. Anything that is available by plex only, is actually available to everyone with isk because I can buy a PLEX for isk. That said, it is unnecessary for CCP to use plex for in-game items. If they introduced a system where you could pay 350 mil isk for a neural remap (or anything), people could (and would) use the plex system to buy it. The only thing that allowing players to apply plexes for items would affect is the plex market. Make no mistake about it, there are people who fly around in officer-fit, faction ships all day that they bought with plexes. Of all the complaints that pop up on these forums, I cannot recall ever reading "Eve is dying b-cuz my enemy haz much gooder ships than me!!!!". Originally by: KurnKuku You do realise this is exactly how some people already play? Buy GTC out of game, convert to plex, sell plex in game, buy shiny ship that they could not of afforded. Or even buy that nice titan pilot off the character bazaar. Everything in the game is a micro-transaction already. If people have real life money, they can have any advantage in game they like. As long as any ship is trade-able, it makes no difference if it is a micro-transaction or not. The only time I would protest is if a ship was released that was not trade-able, and could only be bought with real life money. Assuming any MT is trade-able, nothing changes. Nothing. Good point - but still, as long as plex are tradeable, non-tradeable items are still achievable through isk purchase. Originally by: Akita T As long as ALL those microtransactions would HAVE to go through PLEX, I have nothing against... umm... well, just about anything. PLEX for remap, PLEX for extra character slots, PLEX for unique ships, skills or any other items not available anywhere else even if they are NOT purely cosmetic, even PLEX for SP... basically, PLEX for *ANYTHING* is 100% fine by me. But only as long as PLEX are still in-game items that can be traded on the market. And heck, I would like them to be more granular, so instead of 1x 30-day PLEX, I'd love to see 30x 1-day PLEX. Minimum amount for account length extension would have to stay at 30+ days though, but if I want to apply 40 or 83, why not. And WHY exactly is it 100% of for me ? Because it means I can purchase it all (indirectly) with ISK. Everything will find its own "balance" in terms of ISK worth equivalent eventually. Exactly! --
Vincent Athena	Posted - 2010.12.14 00:56:00 - [58] We sort of have microtransactions for everything, but not quite. If I pay $ for PLEX then sell it for ISK, that PLEX stays in the game. It can still be used to extend some player's subscription. If we had PLEX for redecorating my captains quarters, then that PLEX leaves the game. It cannot be used to extend a player's subscription, even if I bought that PLEX with ISK. This will drive up PLEX prices (in ISK) hurting those players who cannot or will not pay real money for a subscription, or multiple subscriptions. I'm not even sure microtransactions would increase CCP revenue! The increase in PLEX cost may be large enough that they lose so many subscriptions that the gain from microtransactions is canceled out. So my answer: PLEX for account services only. How about microtransactions for vanity items that cannot be bought with PLEX or ISK? Sort of introducing yet another form of currency into the game? I do not like that either. As you most likely guessed from the above, I have been playing with ISK on my 3 accounts for over a year. I do not want to start paying now, and I do want cool vanity stuff.
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.12.14 01:12:00 - [59] for plex? stylish hats. so that I can use a top hat with my pink socks, my fluorescent green tuxedo, and my blue monocle. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
My Postman	Posted - 2010.12.14 12:18:00 - [60] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 14/12/2010 00:20:29 As long as ALL those microtransactions would HAVE to go through PLEX, I have nothing against... umm... well, just about anything. PLEX for remap, PLEX for extra character slots, PLEX for unique ships, skills or any other items not available anywhere else even if they are NOT purely cosmetic, even PLEX for SP... basically, PLEX for *ANYTHING* is 100% fine by me. But only as long as PLEX are still in-game items that can be traded on the market. And heck, I would like them to be more granular, so instead of 1x 30-day PLEX, I'd love to see 30x 1-day PLEX. Minimum amount for account length extension would have to stay at 30+ days though, but if I want to apply 40 or 83, why not. And WHY exactly is it 100% of for me ? Because it means I can purchase it all (indirectly) with ISK. Everything will find its own "balance" in terms of ISK worth equivalent eventually. Can not agree, Akita! If that would happen, the first thing i do is to open two or more accounts, buy macroes and let them grind isk all day long. Unfortunatly i have a job AND a GF, which makes it impossible for me to do the "job" by myself, too many RL adventures. And if you can¦t do it by yourself, you WILL fall back behind others, when able to buy skillpoints, remaps or even ships and mods.

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