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hired goon	Posted - 2010.12.12 17:08:00 - [1] CCP have stated their desire to pursue micro-transactions to avoid becoming a "dinosaur". I think this is understandable (if misguided) and I am endlessly appreciative that they heeded the overwhelming whine of the community in deciding to scrap the PLEX for neural remap idea. However, now that CCP have listened to us, how about we listen to them? They want to monetize their game some more, so they can remain competitive in the marketplace. And to be honest if that means EVE gets a leg up over turds like WoW and Second Life (the game for those who've failed at their first), I am happy to donate a few extra pence for something shiny. I think the thing the playerbase protested about was the idea that a gameplay advantage would be conferred to those who pay more. Although this was never really the case, no one could disagree the sentiment is strong with Eve players. However, I know I am not the only one who isn't entirely adverse to the idea of some kind of sensible "vanity only" micro transaction, and I've heard a few good ideas idly mentioned, like maybe paying a few pounds for the ability to redesign one's character portrait, or change character name. The aim of this thread is to help out CCP with some friendly feedback, what would YOU accept as an in-came object or service, that you'd have to pay one or two pounds for? "nothing" is a valid answer, but please try to approach this in a constructive and objective way, without just dismissing it out of hand. Thanks!
Goremageddon Box Minmatar Guerrilla Flotilla	Posted - 2010.12.12 17:10:00 - [2] Originally by: hired goon CCP have stated their desire to pursue micro-transactions to avoid becoming a "dinosaur". I think this is understandable (if misguided) and I am endlessly appreciative that they heeded the overwhelming whine of the community in deciding to scrap the PLEX for neural remap idea. However, now that CCP have listened to us, how about we listen to them? They want to monetize their game some more, so they can remain competitive in the marketplace. And to be honest if that means EVE gets a leg up over turds like WoW and Second Life (the game for those who've failed at their first), I am happy to donate a few extra pence for something shiny. I think the thing the playerbase protested about was the idea that a gameplay advantage would be conferred to those who pay more. Although this was never really the case, no one could disagree the sentiment is strong with Eve players. However, I know I am not the only one who isn't entirely adverse to the idea of some kind of sensible "vanity only" micro transaction, and I've heard a few good ideas idly mentioned, like maybe paying a few pounds for the ability to redesign one's character portrait, or change character name. The aim of this thread is to help out CCP with some friendly feedback, what would YOU accept as an in-came object or service, that you'd have to pay one or two pounds for? "nothing" is a valid answer, but please try to approach this in a constructive and objective way, without just dismissing it out of hand. Thanks! banning people like you from the game. i would pay for that. ;) _______________________ Hottest Character Ever.
Scarlet Promise	Posted - 2010.12.12 17:10:00 - [3] I think the key is that it has to be something which doesn't provide a 'pay to win' button. Things like ship skins etc would be a good example. Scarlet xx
Dalmont Delantee Gallente British Legion	Posted - 2010.12.12 17:12:00 - [4] I would only buy additional services not in game stuff. Take comfort in knowing that its probably some pimply faced twit, or 40 year old virgin, who gleens everytime mommy offfers to take them to needle point lessons
Asurymen	Posted - 2010.12.12 17:12:00 - [5] I was about to say the same thing, being able to put faction colour schemes to your ships would be nice, but then the forum has already been over that a MILLION times... Stuff that is harmless but fun makes the most sense.
Argus Kell Gallente Global Economy Experts Stellar Economy Experts	Posted - 2010.12.12 17:13:00 - [6] When Incarna is released I'd have no problem with all clothes etc being microtransaction so long as they have an (albeit more expensive) ISK option as well. I also wouldn't mind alternative skins for ships being microtransaction so long as they convey no statistical bonuses. Same goes for spraying a personal logo on a ship (so long as it isn't any more bandwidth heavy than a player portrait) or basically anything at all that is aesthetic only. I can't think of anything else that I'd be ok with at the moment. Argus
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.12.12 17:18:00 - [7] Nothing. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Ava Starfire Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr	Posted - 2010.12.12 17:24:00 - [8] Transferring characters between accounts and changing avatar portraits. O, yeah...
Barkaial Starfinder Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost	Posted - 2010.12.12 17:36:00 - [9] I could agree with name change IF the old name would be linked together, and easy to find for anyone.
CharmingButIrrational Roswell Project Victimz	Posted - 2010.12.12 18:00:00 - [10] making my epeen larger
Mess Enger	Posted - 2010.12.12 18:02:00 - [11] As I said in another thread, I totally support PLEX being used for vanity items. I trust in CCP and I know they won't let us down, that's why I joined this game a few weeks ago, after following this game for several years (and because off the removal of learning skills). Ship or walking avatars deeper customization may be a good way to expend PLEX in. I also would pay for being able to train several characters' SP of the same account at the same time, instead of having to buy several accounts (looking forward being able to swap characters without logging out).
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.12.12 18:13:00 - [12] Originally by: CharmingButIrrational making my epeen larger Will only work if the receptacle make theirs deeper, ya know? support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
Bhattran	Posted - 2010.12.12 18:13:00 - [13] Originally by: hired goon CCP have stated their desire to pursue micro-transactions to avoid becoming a "dinosaur". I think this is understandable (if misguided) and I am endlessly appreciative that they heeded the overwhelming whine of the community in deciding to scrap the PLEX for neural remap idea. However, now that CCP have listened to us, how about we listen to them? They want to monetize their game some more, so they can remain competitive in the marketplace. And to be honest if that means EVE gets a leg up over turds like WoW and Second Life (the game for those who've failed at their first), I am happy to donate a few extra pence for something shiny. I think the thing the playerbase protested about was the idea that a gameplay advantage would be conferred to those who pay more. Although this was never really the case, no one could disagree the sentiment is strong with Eve players. However, I know I am not the only one who isn't entirely adverse to the idea of some kind of sensible "vanity only" micro transaction, and I've heard a few good ideas idly mentioned, like maybe paying a few pounds for the ability to redesign one's character portrait, or change character name. The aim of this thread is to help out CCP with some friendly feedback, what would YOU accept as an in-came object or service, that you'd have to pay one or two pounds for? "nothing" is a valid answer, but please try to approach this in a constructive and objective way, without just dismissing it out of hand. Thanks! Yes, stuff. They want to make more money not to remain competitive but to make more money, eve has no competition if it ever got competition CCP has such a leg up on them they have nothing to worry about unless they fail to listen to their hard core base, release buggy, broken, incomplete features then abandon them to drop some new POS on the game to draw in new players also looked at as $$$, all the while dumbing down the game in a pathetic attempt to draw in pure numbers in favor of dedicated players who invest time and effort in making something for a quick payday. I'd only tolerate ** that is completely optional to the point that not having it has no effect on my ability to play the game and be 'equal' to the dolts who do pay for shiny hats, adding content based on spending money for something like buying a 'pet' so you can do the 'pet' quest in Incarna is intolerable. Having to wear 1 of 20 different shirts when the other 500+ are only available if you pay is intolerable. Really EVE isn't a game that suits micro transactions as CCP have stated they want to implement in Incarna or beyond Incarna. DUST514 is their microtransaction baby, maybe WOD too, but not EVE. --WIS/Incarna/Ambulation where microtransactions come to play, and uh bars.--**
Carniflex StarHunt R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.12.12 18:19:00 - [14] Ship skins, minigames in incarna, exotic dancers in your bar in incarna, exotic character portrait options / acsessories like visible implants, bodyguards that follow you around in incarna (as there is no combat in stations they are pointless, but might look nice), escort girls/boys in incarna, special (larger) rooms in incarna (like having bigger bar than thou neighbour or bigger corp offices or bigger captians quarters). Basically most things in incarna as long as they do not have real meaningful effect 'in EVE' other than looking nice / showoff stuff.
Shiho Weitong Caldari Koa Mai Hoku	Posted - 2010.12.12 18:23:00 - [15] Well... Novelty items, with absolutely no impact on game performance or balance. This rules out anything that could generate lag in space such as skins on ships, sadly. Unless they where also available for ISK. Hmmm. Lag for ISK. Let's just not go there... ----------- Why is it called common sense, when it's clearly very rare. I had a mind once, but alas, I seem to have forgotten where I left it. Originally by: Tchell Dahhn You win, and thank you.
TimMc Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.	Posted - 2010.12.12 18:29:00 - [16] Eve is about competition, I don't want external income influencing this competition any more than the damage PLEX has done.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.12.12 18:31:00 - [17] Originally by: Shiho Weitong Well... Novelty items, with absolutely no impact on game performance or balance. This rules out anything that could generate lag in space such as skins on ships, sadly. Unless they where also available for ISK. Hmmm. Lag for ISK. Let's just not go there... You will never get custom skins on ships. The best you can hope for are some colour sliders and the choice between some camouflage patterns (zebra, army, etc). This stuff won't have an impact on performance. support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2010.12.12 18:31:00 - [18] Cosmetic crap. If it doesn't affect game balance or anything of that sort, then I really couldn't care less. Then again, the only thing you can't buy in terms of in-game stuff is skill levels. Since they made it so that people can buy plex and sell it on the market, anything of ISK value can technically already be bought with real money.
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2010.12.12 18:35:00 - [19] Character Name Change The Real Space Initiative - V7
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.12.12 18:38:00 - [20] they have had gtcs and then plex for a long time, I mean $$$ for pretty much anything you could want in game, do they really need more D: okay I really wouldn't mind plex for remap, mostly just because of the CHA skills
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2010.12.12 18:42:00 - [21] you can already buy isk for RL money, remaps would be better if they just did it instead of letting the 6 bitter vets ***** on forum for a few weeks. as long as it is acquirable in another way it will be fine, i say, isk for remap/standings gain with faction ( max u can buy is 0.0) and simple items like portrait changes, incarna novelties ect.
SargeantNekkid DDS	Posted - 2010.12.12 18:47:00 - [22] Even for cosmetic crap it's stupid. If someone makes a skin that makes it difficult to see their ship against a certain backdrop then that's a slight advantage. CCP could probably make decent money by auctioning off the right to name various 0.0 systems as well as various planets, moons, etc. It's not an infinite money faucet like most micro-transaction schemes are, but at least it fits into the whole EVE marketing slogan of "how will you influence the EVE universe?".
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.12.12 18:56:00 - [23] Level 6 skills for PLEX, one PLEX per rank to unlock for skill training. So to unlock a rank 5 skill so you can start train it to 6 would be 5 PLEX. I mean this wouldn't be used at all.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.12.12 19:04:00 - [24] Originally by: SargeantNekkid DDS Even for cosmetic crap it's stupid. If someone makes a skin that makes it difficult to see their ship against a certain backdrop then that's a slight advantage. snip We got pink systems? Where.. Btw, nowhere in EvE the skybox is completely black either.. And what do you need to see their ship for? There are brackets, show info, fitting scanners.. support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
Krathos Morpheus Legion Infernal	Posted - 2010.12.12 19:05:00 - [25] Not really, not while we are still required to pay a subscription fee of 15Ç/$. Except out of game services, of course, but any content inside the game must be accesible without additional payment while player pays the fee. I could see it more reasonable if the sub were cheaper though (but only for things that do not affect main gameplay).
Blas Phemy	Posted - 2010.12.12 19:06:00 - [26] I like - Character Name and Design change - Standings - Remap - Character Transfer¦s --------------- Perfect T2 component BPO sets
Kaztor Troy	Posted - 2010.12.12 19:26:00 - [27] I would prefer if no kind of micro-transaction was ever added. Call me a dinosaur, but EVE has the best ingame economy of all MMO's, hands down. Maybe build on top of that, instead of introducing alien factors into it.
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.12.12 19:34:00 - [28] Vanity items would be fine with me. Its unneccesary ladythings anyway, and if those girls wants to give CCP money so they can develope more spacestuff for us cool boys - I would not tell them against it. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
tatienne	Posted - 2010.12.12 19:49:00 - [29] In general, I'm not a big fan of micro transactions, but if it could help CCP develop EVE, I find I could live with this.. The ability to change skill for limited time through a web interface, for instance EVE gate. It should be expensive enough/limited to discourage character farmers. ( and no the the skill queue, doesn't allways cut it, and it can be hard to have enough long skills availible ) It would be a really nice option if you are travelling for a long period. I do find find micro transactions could be used for a lot of not very important stuff for the actual gameplay IF it's done with something like plexes, which can be traded in game (on the market), so all players would have a chance of using the option, either by farming isk or paying real life money. By not very important stuff, I think of things like custom ship colors, the ability to name a moon, planet etc in null sec systems, character customization (visual) and such.
Raiscyn Kayne	Posted - 2010.12.12 19:55:00 - [30] As far as vanity objects are concerned, why not? I'll never care enough to buy any, but if people want to spend RL cash on making their Character look pretty in stations let them. As for ship skins etc. fine as long as the client has an option to disable either all skins, or all but my own skins. So no extra lag unless you ask for it. All ships would display the default skin unless your client puts in a call for custom ones. Not sure if this would work, I'm no programmer, but doesn't the in-game portrait system work in a similar manner already? (not displaying a portrait in chat channels unless you show info etc.) Maybe just a corp/ alliance logo rather than full skin? Still unlikely to use it, but if others want to, and as long as it doesn't impact my game-play in a negative manner I couldn't care less. Anything which confers a game advantage is a big no no as far as I'm concerned.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.12.12 20:00:00 - [31] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Level 6 skills for PLEX, one PLEX per rank to unlock for skill training. So to unlock a rank 5 skill so you can start train it to 6 would be 5 PLEX. I mean this wouldn't be used at all. I want battleship 6!
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2010.12.12 20:00:00 - [32] can't really say. In general I think the vanity-only rule is decent enough of a border, but being as PLEX/OOG services for ISK are already way over that line, I'm not certain what moral high ground we're attempting to hold. I mean, I don't think anyone wants to move towards a game where we'd all have to pay $15/month and an extra $x/month in microtransactions, but it's also overtly hypocritical of us to say *"Yes, we are totally against* ingame advantages for cash** (unless we can play for free)" Dunno. There's just not really a hard and fast rule that works; I think if CCP could introduce microtransactions that were fair and beneficial to all involved parties and provided value to the community I'd be okay with it. _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep!
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2010.12.12 20:41:00 - [33] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Mashie Saldana Level 6 skills for PLEX, one PLEX per rank to unlock for skill training. So to unlock a rank 5 skill so you can start train it to 6 would be 5 PLEX. I mean this wouldn't be used at all. I want battleship 6! I still remember the bug in the old character creation process (2 or more versions ago) which let people get mining VI if they chose the right career path Other suggestions: Covert Ops VI - negative CPU use for cloaks Tactical Shield Manipulation VI - negative damage bleed-through once you get below 25% shields Supply Chain Management VI - start jobs anywhere in EVE Seriously, though, we already have micro-transactions for nearly anything in EVE via plex, the sole exceptions being portrait swaps and character transfers. As long as everything remains available without spending RL cash on it, I really don't see what the fuss is about. As far as I'm concerned, it follows that a vote against micro-transactions is a vote against PLEX, and removing PLEX would be a bad thingÖ. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression
Soriam	Posted - 2010.12.12 21:22:00 - [34] If we have the rl money we should be able to purchase a max skilled character with every item (ship, bp etc) that Eve has to offer. It's a win-win situation. CCP makes more money I get to have FUN playing the game instead of wasting my time grinding thru the game.
HyperZerg	Posted - 2010.12.12 21:30:00 - [35] Monthley fee OR microtransaktions.
Temo Jick Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.12 21:32:00 - [36] Micro transactions are a slippery slope; most of the work that needs to be done to charge us for things that give advantages is the same as that which is needed to charge us for cosmetic changes. Once one has been accomplished the other can be implemented with very little extra work at all. My objection to all micro-transactions of any sort is fuelled by a simple lack of trust. I think by and large CCP do a good job and have good people working for them and I believe that this is largely in part to being majority owned by the companyÆs staff. Unfortunately developers I trust often get bought out by publicly owned publishers who then run them into the ground. While I have no reason to suspect this is going to happen to CCP, if it ever dose I donÆt want the ground work to be in place for money hungry stockholders to start leaching the player base for all they have. To error is human but to totaly fail to exterminate the enemy takes a drone.
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.12.12 21:36:00 - [37] Plex for 24hour stealth detection Plex for 24hour concord evasion Plex for supercap destruction Originally by: Kool StoryBro <--- Originally by: CCP Spitfire Spam post removed. Random forum moments ftw
Shadow Nebulae	Posted - 2010.12.12 21:38:00 - [38] Originally by: hired goon The aim of this thread is to help out CCP with some friendly feedback, what would YOU accept as an in-came object or service, that you'd have to pay one or two pounds for? "nothing" is a valid answer, but please try to approach this in a constructive and objective way, without just dismissing it out of hand. Thanks! Absolutely nothing.
000Hunter000 Gallente Industrial Exploits	Posted - 2010.12.12 21:56:00 - [39] BAH!!! I think beeing able to pay extra to get an advantage is bad mkay? It will only attract more horrible asshats who abuse their daddies creditcard to get a headstart in the game. If this ever happens i envision hordes of 12 year olds flying T3 ships within weeks of playing cuz who cares about losing sp when getting killed, i just throw a few more bucks around and i'm back on top again... Yes, call me a grumpy old vet, i don't care. If u thought plex was a bad idea, then this is an abbomination. ________________________________________________
Sister MadelineFlange	Posted - 2010.12.12 22:20:00 - [40] I'm fine with say, 1 million SP a year for 4 plex or ú/$50. This is a hard limit so you can only get an extra 1 million SP per account per calender year. You can use it as and when you need it in the manner that 're-funded' SP is given now - i.e. T3 pilots can save it in case they loose a ship etc If it's plex purchasable then everyone can grind for it over a 1 year period, rich kids can buy it on moms credit card and new players can get it after a qualifying period i.e. no trial accounts or similar. As long as it is not offered free to new players and all players have the option to grind for it or buy it then I don't see a problem as long as it is capped at a sensible maximum and only applicable to one character on an account.
Ludovic Sabre	Posted - 2010.12.12 22:49:00 - [41] EVE has never been much of a "designer" game. I mean, people who play WoW, or Allods might care whether their clothes match or not, but I don't think most Capsuleers will give a hoot about what their body looks like. The reason is because EVE isn't really about suits of armor, or nice swords (or guns even), rather its about space exploration, and conquest. So sure, put all the vanity MT's in, I will never use them. But the game has already been ruined enough with PLEX. Do not introduce something like that again. Just clothes, that's about all I would tolerate.
Black Dranzer Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.12 22:53:00 - [42] What would I "tollerate"? Actually, I'd probably tolerate quite a bit before I quit. I wouldn't like it very much, but I'd probably learn to live with it because Eve effectively has a monopoly on a niche. I'd take my money elsewhere, but there's honestly nowhere else to take my money. \|24 Hour Plex\|Mining Makeover\|
Antihrist Pripravnik 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.12.12 23:07:00 - [43] Custom ship paint (and similar things that has nothing to do with your character, skills, skill training time, ship performance or anything that can be used as an advantage over players that aren't using micro-transactions)
Brainless Bimbo Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.12.12 23:37:00 - [44] Edited by: Brainless Bimbo on 12/12/2010 23:38:02 CCP want more cash from the cow so basically what your asking is how we can provide that cash. Has not eve generated enough cash to buy White Wolf and all the possibilities with their IP and expend into console platform setting up Shanghai and developing Dust. Lets get things in perspective, CCP¦s growth has been provided with just a monthly sub and trying to screw more out cash for shiny objects will only appeal to shallow people with excess cash tb<brutally>h, it goes against the ethic of eve imho. Keep on top of the eve product development and launch WW¦s IP using Incarna tech and test at beta stage with both a micro trans based pay model, a straight sub type progression and a mix of both in one, market whats best. CCP should remove their heads from the waste expulsion outlets of the idiots with MBA¦s who are just short term accountant mentality types, i mean look at what their mentality has done to Iceland, why CCP do you want to the the same. edit: OP is a obvious troll, hired goons are not renowned for their intellect (yeah look at my name and point) ...... continues overleaf.
Ragnar256 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.13 00:02:00 - [45] A set of cosmetic ship variants(perhaps an Ammar made ship made for projectile weapons) that cannot be sold for isk nor contracted.Maybe small stuff like name changes, remaps, and possibly as a method for purchasing faction ammo.
Desirsar	Posted - 2010.12.13 00:26:00 - [46] Only fluff I would pay for is the ability to custom skin my ship. Yes, I know my way around Photoshop enough to put together something that would look appropriate and high quality. Would even consider paying for a "robust" in-game editor of some sort, even if it was just patterned tinting. Non-fluff? Allow me to back purchase months of EVE subscription (like, last month, where my account was not active) and gain the 2700SP/hour that I would have otherwise had.
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2010.12.13 00:33:00 - [47] So, after Incarna comes out, you all would be opposed to couches and furniture, along with different clothing being something for microtransactions, also? If it were in the pub that I plan on owning in a station, then yes I would be very much against microtransactions involving this, but in private spaces... I don't really see much of a problem tbh...
Joss56	Posted - 2010.12.13 00:35:00 - [48] How much it could cost me so that my rails have dmg/tracking fine and my blasters 20km instead of 7? That would be all for me sir.
Scifi Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.13 00:36:00 - [49] I wouldn't mind being able to buy some sort of "fluff" ships. Things like the interbus shuttle for example. A ship that wouldn't that wouldn't break the uniqueness of the current freebie ships and doesn't do anything other than let people say "Oh what's that??" as you flutter about in your fancy 5m^3 cargo'ed shuttle variant. Barring that I'm ok with the line of "As long it doesn't give someone a game-play advantage".
hired goon	Posted - 2010.12.13 23:31:00 - [50] friendly bump
Nemis Raven	Posted - 2010.12.13 23:40:00 - [51] 1 Plex for a Tengu. 2 Plex for a shiney new Nyx 20 Plex for a Titan And maybe make cash transactions for smaller ships such as Battlecruisers. $2 for a Hurricane. $5 for a Megathron. This would make eve the perfect MMORPG.
Nomad Vherokic	Posted - 2010.12.13 23:44:00 - [52] Nothing except game services. Vanity items... no thanks... if I wanted to see toons clad in pink hotpants gyrating their over-developed pelvises in front of each other I'd... erm... well... erm... Damn...
KurnKuku	Posted - 2010.12.13 23:46:00 - [53] Originally by: Nemis Raven 1 Plex for a Tengu. 2 Plex for a shiney new Nyx 20 Plex for a Titan And maybe make cash transactions for smaller ships such as Battlecruisers. $2 for a Hurricane. $5 for a Megathron. This would make eve the perfect MMORPG. You do realise this is exactly how some people already play? Buy GTC out of game, convert to plex, sell plex in game, buy shiny ship that they could not of afforded. Or even buy that nice titan pilot of the character bazaar. Everything in the game is a micro-transaction already. If people have real life money, they can have any advantage in game they like. As long as any ship is trade-able, it makes no difference if it is a micro-transaction or not.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2010.12.13 23:50:00 - [54] Novelty items with no stats, that's all. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2010.12.14 00:04:00 - [55] They would make a **** ton of money if they sold skills or skills up to XYZ... Lets just count our blessings that so far they've not done that.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.12.14 00:07:00 - [56] As long as ALL those microtransactions would HAVE to go through PLEX, I have nothing against... umm... well, just about anything. PLEX for remap, PLEX for extra character slots, PLEX for unique ships, skills or any other items not available anywhere else even if they are NOT purely cosmetic... basically, PLEX for *ANYTHING* is 100% fine by me. But only as long as PLEX are still in-game items that can be traded on the market. And heck, I would like them to be more granular, so instead of 1x 30-day PLEX, I'd love to see 30x 1-day PLEX. Minimum amount for application would have to stay at 30 days minimum though, but if I want to apply 40 or 83, why not. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Tressin Khiyne Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.12.14 00:46:00 - [57] Edited by: Tressin Khiyne on 14/12/2010 00:51:25 This whole argument lacks logic because I can buy a PLEX for isk. So if a neural remap costs 1 plex, it also costs 350 mil (or whatever a plex costs). There is only a perceived issue here. Anything that is available by plex only, is actually available to everyone with isk because I can buy a PLEX for isk. That said, it is unnecessary for CCP to use plex for in-game items. If they introduced a system where you could pay 350 mil isk for a neural remap (or anything), people could (and would) use the plex system to buy it. The only thing that allowing players to apply plexes for items would affect is the plex market. Make no mistake about it, there are people who fly around in officer-fit, faction ships all day that they bought with plexes. Of all the complaints that pop up on these forums, I cannot recall ever reading "Eve is dying b-cuz my enemy haz much gooder ships than me!!!!". Originally by: KurnKuku You do realise this is exactly how some people already play? Buy GTC out of game, convert to plex, sell plex in game, buy shiny ship that they could not of afforded. Or even buy that nice titan pilot off the character bazaar. Everything in the game is a micro-transaction already. If people have real life money, they can have any advantage in game they like. As long as any ship is trade-able, it makes no difference if it is a micro-transaction or not. The only time I would protest is if a ship was released that was not trade-able, and could only be bought with real life money. Assuming any MT is trade-able, nothing changes. Nothing. Good point - but still, as long as plex are tradeable, non-tradeable items are still achievable through isk purchase. Originally by: Akita T As long as ALL those microtransactions would HAVE to go through PLEX, I have nothing against... umm... well, just about anything. PLEX for remap, PLEX for extra character slots, PLEX for unique ships, skills or any other items not available anywhere else even if they are NOT purely cosmetic, even PLEX for SP... basically, PLEX for *ANYTHING* is 100% fine by me. But only as long as PLEX are still in-game items that can be traded on the market. And heck, I would like them to be more granular, so instead of 1x 30-day PLEX, I'd love to see 30x 1-day PLEX. Minimum amount for account length extension would have to stay at 30+ days though, but if I want to apply 40 or 83, why not. And WHY exactly is it 100% of for me ? Because it means I can purchase it all (indirectly) with ISK. Everything will find its own "balance" in terms of ISK worth equivalent eventually. Exactly! --
Vincent Athena	Posted - 2010.12.14 00:56:00 - [58] We sort of have microtransactions for everything, but not quite. If I pay $ for PLEX then sell it for ISK, that PLEX stays in the game. It can still be used to extend some player's subscription. If we had PLEX for redecorating my captains quarters, then that PLEX leaves the game. It cannot be used to extend a player's subscription, even if I bought that PLEX with ISK. This will drive up PLEX prices (in ISK) hurting those players who cannot or will not pay real money for a subscription, or multiple subscriptions. I'm not even sure microtransactions would increase CCP revenue! The increase in PLEX cost may be large enough that they lose so many subscriptions that the gain from microtransactions is canceled out. So my answer: PLEX for account services only. How about microtransactions for vanity items that cannot be bought with PLEX or ISK? Sort of introducing yet another form of currency into the game? I do not like that either. As you most likely guessed from the above, I have been playing with ISK on my 3 accounts for over a year. I do not want to start paying now, and I do want cool vanity stuff.
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.12.14 01:12:00 - [59] for plex? stylish hats. so that I can use a top hat with my pink socks, my fluorescent green tuxedo, and my blue monocle. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
My Postman	Posted - 2010.12.14 12:18:00 - [60] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 14/12/2010 00:20:29 As long as ALL those microtransactions would HAVE to go through PLEX, I have nothing against... umm... well, just about anything. PLEX for remap, PLEX for extra character slots, PLEX for unique ships, skills or any other items not available anywhere else even if they are NOT purely cosmetic, even PLEX for SP... basically, PLEX for *ANYTHING* is 100% fine by me. But only as long as PLEX are still in-game items that can be traded on the market. And heck, I would like them to be more granular, so instead of 1x 30-day PLEX, I'd love to see 30x 1-day PLEX. Minimum amount for account length extension would have to stay at 30+ days though, but if I want to apply 40 or 83, why not. And WHY exactly is it 100% of for me ? Because it means I can purchase it all (indirectly) with ISK. Everything will find its own "balance" in terms of ISK worth equivalent eventually. Can not agree, Akita! If that would happen, the first thing i do is to open two or more accounts, buy macroes and let them grind isk all day long. Unfortunatly i have a job AND a GF, which makes it impossible for me to do the "job" by myself, too many RL adventures. And if you can¦t do it by yourself, you WILL fall back behind others, when able to buy skillpoints, remaps or even ships and mods.
Myrkala Minmatar Ad Astra Vexillum Warped Aggression	Posted - 2010.12.14 12:20:00 - [61] Pantaloons. - Originally by: Plumpy McPudding Minmatar? More like Winmatar.
Lubomir Penev Sausages of Truth S I L E N T.	Posted - 2010.12.14 12:26:00 - [62] I would pay RL money for in game items like "GM Grimmi's head on a stick".
Xorth Adimus Caldari The Perfect Storm Random-Violence	Posted - 2010.12.14 12:28:00 - [63] Vanity items in stations.. You know for all the people who can't play eve and want to wander around in an empty station, with fancy pants. Maybe create a terrible bar they made in a 3rd rate '2nd life' emulator to look like hello kitty online? Some people don't deserve money give it to CCP for safe keeping! CCP V P FTW
Rek Seven	Posted - 2010.12.14 12:53:00 - [64] Edited by: Rek Seven on 14/12/2010 12:54:37 I would possible pay for clothing in incarna or I would pay for service enhancing features. For example, if CCP sponsored fans to create eve related entertainment (e.g. clear skies) that I could watch in game or at the very lease, through the in-game browser. I think if ppl could buy items from the market, it could break the game.
Metalkiss Minmatar Pack Mentality Art of War Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.14 13:02:00 - [65] I am a huge advocate for micro-transactions. It's too big a market development for companies to ignore, in my opinion. But that said, I hate it when games become "pay to win", as has been mentioned a few times in this thread. As long as the things that could be purchased through micro-transactions weren't required for me to progress or actually have a chance in the game, I'd buy. I have a full-time job and some spare cash here and there, but I'm afraid that if the game became "pay to win" I wouldn't be keen on continuing, even if I could afford the items in question. Things like ship skins, account services (already partially available, but with more options), and anything else cosmetic that wouldn't affect gameplay balance between those who pay and those who don't. Classy lady pirate. Join Pack Mentality! Just contact me in-game or at [email protected] for good, trouble-causing times!
Aerilis Gallente Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.12.14 13:33:00 - [66] Alliance/corporate shuttles. Pay a small fee, and the all shuttles of all corp/alliance members are emblazoned with your corp/alliance logo. Pay a little more, and you'll get a custom color scheme. Pay the premium package, and you can design your own shuttle, which will then be (pending CCP's approval and integration of your design) be seeded at all alliance-owned stations.
Chrysalis D'lilth	Posted - 2010.12.14 14:08:00 - [67] It seems like a very lazy solution/dumbing down of EvE industy. I'd rather see in game manufacturing systems for all these new 'cosmetic' items. Put it on the market with everything else. Those that can't afford the isk to buy them, will spend RL money on more Plex to sell for isk...
TheGoodTrader	Posted - 2010.12.14 16:11:00 - [68] PLEX for removal of Microtransaction threads and a one-month ban on the poster.
hired goon	Posted - 2010.12.16 17:21:00 - [69] friendly bump
KurnKuku	Posted - 2010.12.16 17:22:00 - [70] Edited by: KurnKuku on 16/12/2010 17:24:12 edit - sorry trolling
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.16 17:24:00 - [71] I barely tolerate things as they are. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Billy Kidd	Posted - 2010.12.16 17:49:00 - [72] If it's too hard to get a Hello Kitty paintjob for my carrier, then I would pay for at least a Hello Kitty tattoo on my avatar
Jaik7	Posted - 2010.12.16 18:16:00 - [73] Originally by: SargeantNekkid DDS Even for cosmetic crap it's stupid. If someone makes a skin that makes it difficult to see their ship against a certain backdrop then that's a slight advantage. CCP could probably make decent money by auctioning off the right to name various 0.0 systems as well as various planets, moons, etc. It's not an infinite money faucet like most micro-transaction schemes are, but at least it fits into the whole EVE marketing slogan of "how will you influence the EVE universe?". lol, how would you hide from brackets? nothing hides from brackets. you can't camo brackets. did i mention brackets?
Minerva Vulcan Caldari Ctrl Alt Elites	Posted - 2010.12.16 18:16:00 - [74] Some people are idiots. PLEX for remaps was a fine idea, considering it was a "omgmicrotransactionwhinewhinewhine" available to anyone using in-game currency. How that even managed to translate into omgtheskyisfalling I still have no idea. What "huge advantage" would it have given to some people? Did they really expect folk would use a PLEX to remap after every skill was finished and thus gain immortality or some nonsense? Know who would consider doing that? Like 3 people in all of EVE, who are already so far ahead in SP from having played from the get-go SP wise that you'd never have caught up, anyway. CCP should implement a cap on skill levels, at say... 5, so that everyone could train a skill and be on the same level as someone else who trained that skill to 5. Absolute morons. Know who worries about micro-transactions? Poor and/or lazy people. Stop being poor and/or lazy, majority of EVE players.
hired goon	Posted - 2010.12.16 18:33:00 - [75] So far we have come to the conclusion that anything you can buy for ISK, you can buy for real money anyway. Therefore founding an argument on the idea that being able to spend real life money for in-game advantages would be game-destroying is not sustainable. Think about it - as the way things stand right now, in a worst case scenario, a newbie teenager from WoW could join Eve for the first time, and use his daddy's credit card to buy enough plex to make himself a biliionare, before purchasing a 100m skillpoint char from the bazaar, and any number of tech 3/faction/capital ships/mods he might desire. All within the space of less than a week. This for many people I think is a nightmare scenario, right? But it could happen today. So then we have to ask why people are so passionately against PLEX for remap? Is it because even though things are so bad, we must throw ourselves on the gears to stop them getting one iota worse? It seems to me the argument we should be making is one of awareness - we want to keep the knowledge that ISK and dollars are interchangable as low-key as possible, to prevent a game played primarily with real money. Unfortunately however this is in direct conflict with the goals of CCP if you look at the most recent dev blog - as they want to raise awareness of the system to combat RMT. But maybe we are wrong? Maybe micro transactions won't kill the game, because the playerbase itself has a general propensity to gravitate away from such real-life crossover meta-gameplay? There are just as many people grinding their butt of to pay the subscription with in game money as there are people replacing their PvP Bhaalgorns with a ú20 token. Or is the fear that if the game moves more in that direction, that people will likewise move more in that direction, thus changing the spirit of the game? That seems to me to be a valid issue. The only way to address this worry I think is to look at other MMO games and see how a reliance on micro-transactions has "ruined" the game. Just as long as we don't look at the Eve China server, where it's so bad, alliances are populated with pvpers who are payed a real life wage to fight over in game resources, as their control yeilds in game items that can be sold for real life money. This feeds back into my point about a propensity in the Eve playerbase to gravitate away from 100% meta gaming. Because in China, it is a much more acceptable norm. Sorry about the tl;dr, I am currently doing an essay in the other window so am in essay mode!
Amberlamps	Posted - 2010.12.16 18:34:00 - [76] Due to the recent ** up and actually saving me a month from my anniversary of a remap but awarding other players a remap ontop of one they never used. I would happily use PLEX for Remaps, I didn't initially support it but after they **ed this up royally and unfairly distributed remaps then I would say I want to have that edge and I might be willing to pay for it.
Sebastien LeReparteur Minmatar Sebastien LeReparteur Corp	Posted - 2010.12.16 18:45:00 - [77] Edited by: Sebastien LeReparteur on 16/12/2010 18:46:42 Edited by: Sebastien LeReparteur on 16/12/2010 18:45:19 RMT for ship and modules means he never learned how to use them and you get to blow them off again and again and again! Win Win situation IMO! Anyway PLEX is already that.
Jaik7	Posted - 2010.12.16 19:15:00 - [78] the reason i quit cafeworld was because i found out that the little dollar were not convertable from the little coins. don't make plex into the little dollars, plz!
Open Orifice	Posted - 2010.12.16 19:45:00 - [79] I can hardly wait to buy Skill Points...
Ash Donai	Posted - 2010.12.16 20:02:00 - [80] Microtransactions are the future of online gaming. It's irrelevant if 50k bitter vets quit the game if that means that 500k new users who embrace microtransactions join up. The industry has shown that microtransactions are profitable and that gamers as a group are willing to embrace that type of play. In recent news LOTRO and DDO have shown that F2P and microtransactions have resulted in a huge influx of new players whole in the case or LOTRO doubling earnings. So yeah, considering that EVE already has microtransactions (which are not so micro) it's just a matter of time before you see a F2P + microtransactions scheme for EVE, it's inevitable.
Wiki Leaks	Posted - 2010.12.16 20:08:00 - [81] Like any eve veteran, the only answer is NOTHING!!!! (except world of tanks) (lol)
Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.16 20:30:00 - [82] Symmetrical ships?
Arec Bardwin	Posted - 2010.12.16 20:33:00 - [83] I would (barely) tolerate PLEX for virtual CCP StevieSG lapdance.
Flesh Slurper	Posted - 2010.12.16 20:36:00 - [84] No, because as I have said in another thread: Originally by: Flesh Slurper So what you are saying is that I should pay a monthly fee for a game, and then have to pay extra if I want access to all the content? That we should encourage the developers to make microtransaction extras since they will make more money rather than adding features that everyone can use? Even if you look at purely cosmetic items, if microtransactions never existed, then these items would be fun features added to the game that everyone could enjoy. The game would be better for all. But because of corporate greed and idiots who will pay for it, those items will be given to the people that pay the extra price for them, making the normal subscribers second class citizens. Development time will not be allocated to reducing lag or improving features that could be available for everyone. Why should they when they can lock those same features away and charge extra for them.
Rohnda	Posted - 2010.12.16 20:40:00 - [85] Cosmetical stuff... Like when incarna rolls around customising your avatar etc .. and if server one day allows it .. custom pain jobs for ships for real money ? sure :) As long as they stay away from Pay to win / gain an advantage...
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2010.12.16 20:46:00 - [86] PLEX for: Neural remaps Custom ship skins ( a very small and subtle color palatte that fits EVE. No Brit Bank neo or true black crap please ) Vanity decor for Incarna corp/personal quarters Vanity Incarna clothing Custom corporate logos Custom alliance logos for alliances that don't meet the current requirements SP remap. Limited to 1 per year, and only within one skillset, ie. ability to remap all Industry SP and distribute it freely to other skillsets Ability to train 2 or 3 characters on the same account. 1 PLEX per extra character per month A WoD beta spot
Bhattran	Posted - 2010.12.16 21:10:00 - [87] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Some people are idiots. PLEX for remaps was a fine idea, considering it was a "omgmicrotransactionwhinewhinewhine" available to anyone using in-game currency. How that even managed to translate into omgtheskyisfalling I still have no idea. What "huge advantage" would it have given to some people? Did they really expect folk would use a PLEX to remap after every skill was finished and thus gain immortality or some nonsense? Know who would consider doing that? Like 3 people in all of EVE, who are already so far ahead in SP from having played from the get-go SP wise that you'd never have caught up, anyway. CCP should implement a cap on skill levels, at say... 5, so that everyone could train a skill and be on the same level as someone else who trained that skill to 5. Absolute morons. Know who worries about micro-transactions? Poor and/or lazy people. Stop being poor and/or lazy, majority of EVE players. Agreed we should all buy botting programs and run bots so we won't be poor and technically no longer lazy as we all run bots for hours on end a day. Cheating to run bots or cheating to pay for ** certainly is the way to go for those who don't have the time to 'make it' in EVE, here's to a more perfect EVE where more people cheat. --WIS/Incarna/Ambulation where microtransactions come to play, and uh bars.--**
iRommel	Posted - 2010.12.16 21:13:00 - [88] hats!
Ancyker The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.12.16 21:32:00 - [89] Edited by: Ancyker on 16/12/2010 21:32:52 Originally by: Pohbis PLEX for: Neural remaps Custom ship skins ( a very small and subtle color palatte that fits EVE. No Brit Bank neo or true black crap please ) Vanity decor for Incarna corp/personal quarters Vanity Incarna clothing Custom corporate logos Custom alliance logos for alliances that don't meet the current requirements Yes. Very much yes. Can I add create an alliance to that? Originally by: Pohbis Ability to train 2 or 3 characters on the same account. 1 PLEX per extra character per month That's ... really stupid. I want the ability to train multiple characters. I am willing to pay up to $5 extra per month per character for this service. 1 PLEX per character is ****ed because I could just have it on another account and be able to use both at the same time, having it cost a PLEX negates any benefit it could possibly provide. In terms of PLEX, 1 PLEX could just enable 1 character for 3 months. Originally by:** Pohbis SP remap. Limited to 1 per year, and only within one skillset, ie. ability to remap all Industry SP and distribute it freely to other skillsets I like this, but it should be once per year per category. So you could reset every category once in 1 year, but not reset the same category twice. 1 PLEX for this is a tad expensive though. Also, since PLEX is real money and it means CCP got money, why not let PLEX be used in the EVE store sort of like a gift card? Someone sells PLEX, someone else buys it and can now get a t-shirt or something. P.S. For micro transactions to work, CCP needs to add a new representation of real world money into the game. PLEX is about $17.50 in real world currency and that is in no way a MICRO transaction. A micro transaction is like 25 cents to $3. There is no way in hell I'm paying $17.50 for a custom ship skin, even if it lasts forever, nor would I pay 350 million ISK. My suggestion is adding a new currency that is purchased like PLEX but is worth less in terms of real world money. PLEX should not be exchangeable into this currency and the currency should not be able to be sold directly (see below). As for people not liking the idea of micro transactions, I think the biggest fear people have is what I and probably they have seen happen in a few other games, where real world representations of money (ie, PLEX) increase in value so much they replace in game currency for high value items. For example, imagine someone selling a carrier but only accepting PLEX meanwhile PLEX has risen in value so much that few people sell it for ISK because you can't buy anything good for ISK anymore because everyone wants PLEX, not ISK. It may seem far fetched to some but I've seen it happen in other games, and it is a big problem when the representation of real world currency can be traded on the market. The problem is if it can't then people complain that they have no way to get it. The more things you can buy with PLEX, the more likely it is to happen because the greater the demand on PLEX will be. I think the best way to avoid this is to add a new currency for micro transactions and not allow the trading of the in game currency directly and only allow the trading of the items purchased with it. This means people HAVE to sell and buy the actual items/services with ISK.
Vuukko Maikkoonen Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.16 21:38:00 - [90] Microtransactions with real money are only good if you can only buy things which don't give you advantage over other players. So only cosmetic things like clothing for the avatar in Incarna, or something you can decorate your ship with like skins or something similar. Microtransactions with real money are not good if you can gain advantages over other players just because by spending more money than others so you can win easily. They destroy the gameplay. Just have a look at many "free" browsergames (most of them are funded on microtransactions and have an ingame "shop" for items) and you know what i mean. They are dominated by players who spend a fortune of their money only to win My 2 cents and my personal opinion to this thread...
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.12.16 21:48:00 - [91] Edited by: Mag''s on 16/12/2010 21:48:36 Originally by: Pohbis PLEX for: Neural remaps Custom ship skins ( a very small and subtle color palatte that fits EVE. No Brit Bank neo or true black crap please ) Vanity decor for Incarna corp/personal quarters Vanity Incarna clothing Custom corporate logos Custom alliance logos for alliances that don't meet the current requirements This. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Edgar Berberos	Posted - 2010.12.16 21:50:00 - [92] Edited by: Edgar Berberos on 16/12/2010 21:51:48 Tried to be constructive and all, but hell -> These micro-transactions just keep poor wearing brown and rich [edit:***ting diapers while] wearing gold. Going to be some great roleplaying*.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.12.16 21:58:00 - [93] I don't care that much either way, but I certainly fail to see anything inherently wrong with any of that. For some reason, you appear to. Care to explain a bit more in-depth why exactly ? Originally by: My Postman Originally by: Akita T As long as ALL those microtransactions would HAVE to go through PLEX, I have nothing against... umm... well, just about anything. PLEX for remap, PLEX for extra character slots, PLEX for unique ships, skills or any other items not available anywhere else even if they are NOT purely cosmetic, even PLEX for SP... basically, PLEX for *ANYTHING* is 100% fine by me. But only as long as PLEX are still in-game items that can be traded on the market. And heck, I would like them to be more granular, so instead of 1x 30-day PLEX, I'd love to see 30x 1-day PLEX. Minimum amount for account length extension would have to stay at 30+ days though, but if I want to apply 40 or 83, why not. And WHY exactly is it 100% of for me ? Because it means I can purchase it all (indirectly) with ISK. Everything will find its own "balance" in terms of ISK worth equivalent eventually. Can not agree, Akita! If that would happen, the first thing i do is to open two or more accounts, buy macroes and let them grind isk all day long. Unfortunatly i have a job AND a GF, which makes it impossible for me to do the "job" by myself, too many RL adventures. And if you can¦t do it by yourself, you WILL fall back behind others, when able to buy skillpoints, remaps or even ships and mods. [sarcasm]Yes, I am sure that's the first thing you'd do...[/sarcasm] Sure, if you're hankering for a permaban, you just do that. You might get away with it for a while, maybe even a long while... or you could end up banned in one month or less. Also, you CAN already buy skillpoints, ships and mods with ISK. It's called character trading and the market. Yeah, you don't exactly get the ideal SP distribution you might like at any specific time with a character purchase, but still... And you don't have to work hard to make a truckload of ISK, you can also work smart and gain much more than you ever could by working hard. Then again... meh. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Erim Solfara Amarr inFluX.	Posted - 2010.12.16 23:27:00 - [94] Nothing. If if were all items for PLEX, still no, that would drive the isk price of plex up, and make play-to-play subscriptions harder to do.
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2010.12.16 23:53:00 - [95] Only thing I would say yes for. Is like custom ally/corp logos. Anything else, no. Big no. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.17 02:19:00 - [96] As long as the transactions are not used for purchase of game changing mechanics such as remapping, I donÆt have a problem with it. Want to use the transactions to make a prettier ship for yourself and that doesnÆt put a load on the servers? No problem.
Ash Donai	Posted - 2010.12.17 02:39:00 - [97] Cash for SP is just a matter of time. New players can only be attracted if they don't have to spend a couple years training skills. The removal of the learning skills was the first step into that direction, buying SP with cash straight up rather than the current way of cash for PLEX for ISK for SP (character) is the next step. The only people who are opposed to that are those who don't have disposable RL income because they are simply too inept at life to generate such income. That's not the target audience of CCP in either case, especially since all you do will be raging instead of just walking away. Even if you walk away your $15/mo will be replaced with hundreds of $ per month from people who are willing and able to shell out cash for a game. So yeah, go suck an egg you poor bastards. Wellfare epics -> that way!
BashNako	Posted - 2010.12.17 05:41:00 - [98] Nothing. /sig
trjcquee	Posted - 2010.12.17 06:00:00 - [99] Microtransactions for SP. Bring it on.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.12.17 06:19:00 - [100] I'm fine with it being used for 'vanity' items, providing i can buy a PLEX for close to what it costs now in ISK, and use it to customize multiple ships and do whatever else over a fairly long period of time. The problems begin with the price of PLEX in ISK rising dramatically, or if they decide to make ship customization or whatever else particularly costly. If i have to buy a new PLEX for each ship i want to customize or something like that i won't be pleased with the system. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Prologick	Posted - 2010.12.17 06:32:00 - [101] Nothing, 15 bucks for a game should be enough to ensure continued development, as it has been the case for years now. Money hungry corporations should bareback an exotic dancer. If you want to add an items shop of some sorts, drop the subscription model.
Pookie McPook	Posted - 2010.12.17 07:51:00 - [102] This whole topic provides for the opportunitiy for CCP's good standing with its subscribers to blow up in its face. Back in the good old days of Everquest/EQ2, SOE always used to cite unacceptable server load as the reason for not introducing many features asked for by its vocal forum whiners. However, low and behold, when the game became "free to play" (ie pay extra to get neccessary features) many of these became available (eg additional character slots). This moral duplicity meant the end of the road for many of its long term subscribers. Hopefully CCP study where other companies have gone wrong before driving headlong over the precipice chasing the eternal "extra ISK". Personally I would prefer just to increase the base subscription rather than introduce microtransactions. That way at least an even playing field is maintained as far as possible. ----- Marmite. Rocket fuel of champions.
Jason Travers Space 1999	Posted - 2010.12.17 08:07:00 - [103] Sony did something that made them a good bit of change especially in the beginning. They offered charter name change for a fee and had a master list you could only access from the Sony web site. They soon offered a charter transfer service where you could have your toons moved to another server for a fee as well. Though CCP has only one real server that everyone is connected to it would make the transfer bit impossible. But if they opened up another server with different layout setup and rules, they could call it a universe transfer. Mommy that mean ole bear just dukied in my sandbox. :(
egola Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.17 08:17:00 - [104] only if EVE becomes F2P
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2010.12.17 08:40:00 - [105] Edited by: Halcyon Ingenium on 17/12/2010 08:42:02 Character name change Bloodline/Race change Portrait change WIS stuff like exotic dancers for your nightclub, etc is okay with me. Stuff like skill levels for cash, training bonuses for cash, sp for cash is fail. Originally by: Samuel Langhorne Clemens I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it.
Elgaris Dukor Caldari Femti Runa Eru ParadoXon Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.17 09:10:00 - [106] Hi. I don't like the idea of microtransactions in eve. Eve is a pay to play game. I pay a monthly subscription fee and for that i want to be able to experiance all aspects of the game including vanity stuff. I dont like the idea that CCP wants to milk us even more. Many of us have two or more accounts already. I am pretty sure that the average eve player already pays way more that an average player of any other major mmo. Now we got told by CCP thats still not enough and they want even more money from us. And all that in a time where so many aspects of the game are broken, unfinished or promissed since years and comming soon(tm). So instead of fixing, finishing and polishing the available content they take our money to implement useless vanity items for that we even are supposed to pay extra. The whole incarana thing is aiming for that. Just look at the dev blogs where they told us how many people work on which project. A majority of the developers are currently working on incarna. Deveopment time and money (our money) are going to a project that will manly be used to sell us virtual clothes and other items. We pay them to implement stuff that we have to pay for extra. Thats why i am strictly against microtransactions in a pay to play game. Elgaris
Artemis Rose Clandestine Vector	Posted - 2010.12.17 09:21:00 - [107] Absolutely nothing ingame. Using clothing as an example, why should CCP get RL money because they made one hat a lot more shiny than the other free option (if there is even a free option at all)? Anything they could want to use PLEX for, should just use ISK instead. If you want to buy the PLEX to get the ISK for said item, go on ahead. Micro-transactions isn't the next revolutionary trend in gaming, its a cancer. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Strrog Caldari Zero Excavations	Posted - 2010.12.17 09:28:00 - [108] Its suprising that poeple mention vanity as not game impacting, in fact rare mods are priced for vanity purposes sometimes sky high for those crazy poeple that wona make perfect BiS ship. Thats why poeple play a game for vanity sometimes as well, so now if you can buy vanity you will get a mental edge that takes a lot of time to complete without micro transactions. A good example supa dupa pet from wow which you can not get in game unless you buy it from the blizz shop. Vanity is a new comodity and was priced as luxury XD.
Shurikane	Posted - 2010.12.17 10:13:00 - [109] I will only tolerate cosmetic changes to one's character and/or ships, and only if said cosmetics can also be bought using ISK at a non-prohibitive price. The ideal balance, perhaps, would be one where it's interesting for a PVPer with a small wallet to buy cosmetics using PLEX, while for an industrial with more money, it's interesting to buy these cosmetics using ISK instead. It should not be so the ISK route is only interesting for mass traders or alliance leaders with billions of ISK in their wallet. This is EVE. Not GAIA Online. Sure, if you have weird designer items, feel free to make them cost a big buck "for the name", but I shouldn't need to destroy my bank account trying to simply get a furnished wardrobe of middle-class clothes. Also, cosmetics should be exactly the same regardless of payment method. I once got screwed over in Albatross18 over this, where I bought a background for my character sheet using the in-game currency only to realize too late that unless you buy that item using real cash, the background remains on you for a week and then you have to buy it again!
Cyaxares II	Posted - 2010.12.17 10:32:00 - [110] Warning: this post ahs no real point, I just describe one example of a microtransactions-based game Originally by: Strrog Thats why poeple play a game for vanity sometimes as well, so now if you can buy vanity you will get a mental edge that takes a lot of time to complete without micro transactions. I play League Of Legends a MOBA game best described as "easy-mode DotA on a small map" (used to play it a lot, haven't played much recently). The game is F2P but offers various boosts and champion skins via microtransactions. Many people (me included) are spending RL money on skins for the champions they play on a regular basis. You don't buy skins because you want extra functionality - because they don't offer any. You don't buy skins just because you like to look at them - because it is easy to swap the default skin with another one client-side. You buy skins because you want other people to notice you bought them (for various reasons - one of them being to signal that you are "serious" about this game). You buy skins because you feel like supporting the game developers financially. Various free skins have been handed out over time - these seem to get almost never used. There have been holiday skins which were only available for sale for a short period of time - these do naturally attract attention when used (and become more and more rare over time as old players quit and new players who never had the possibility to get them dilute the pool). You can buy the MT currency ("RP") in batches of various sizes - at least in Europe these are chose so you will always be either lacking just a few RP for that skin you really want or you have to over-purchase significantly. For people who make frequent purchases this doesn't really matter (if you have some excess RP now, you will just have to buy less for your next purchase) but for people who tell themselves they just want to purchase a skin/boost/champion bundle/... this one time it does of course matter. The power of F2P with MT is that many complaints on the forums get immediately shut down by fanbois with "it's free, you have no right to complain". If you pay for the game you are not really a "paying customer" but give a "donation" to the game developers.
Reign Down Minmatar X-ORE	Posted - 2010.12.17 11:10:00 - [111] I would be willing to pay for things like Character clothing/accessories, corp logo's, pretty much anything that does not effect/change gameplay. ______________________________________________________
Angel HUN Destructive Influence IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.17 12:25:00 - [112] Cosmetic Changes: Tattoos Ship Skins/Decals (the process for approval would need to be streamlined MASSIVELY, Alliance logos anyone?) MTs + Subscription don't make sense. Originally by: CCP Oveur We. Will. Never. Leave. EVE.
Keira Matrix	Posted - 2010.12.17 12:44:00 - [113] Originally by: Angel HUN Cosmetic Changes: Tattoos Ship Skins/Decals (the process for approval would need to be streamlined MASSIVELY, Alliance logos anyone?) MTs + Subscription don't make sense. Definetly not ship skins. I'd rather see improved ship skins added to the game as standard. If you could purchase ship skins through the shop, you could bet that they would certainly look more stylish and not the usual run of the mill Eve design. So if they are able to do it for extra income, I'm sure they could do it anyway.
Dasola Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.17 12:49:00 - [114] personally i would allow microtransaction on things not effecting gameplay directly. For example following things: - custom ship paint - corporate/alliance logos on ships - name / face changes - clothings on incarna... I would be ****ed off if they implement some followings: - complete build jod now ( hey we can complete that titan in 5 seconds now) - Sov level gains (Jump bridges up in notime...) - Get your favorite ship with fittings to where you are ( 5 seconds to mailorder new titan)
Sonjaa VII	Posted - 2010.12.17 12:54:00 - [115] Well, after the sp give-back, I have to say I want _MOAR_ SP, 500.000 SP for a PLEX. Only available for carebears ( you know, to prevent unfair advantages in pvp ), just to be sure, the player would be banned from PVP in all forms for a month. Hah ! Carebears would buy it, just to never die from ninja's and pirates ;) T.
Merouk Baas Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.17 13:09:00 - [116] I would pay PLEX for: - name change - portrait change - race change - gender change - attribute remap - skill remaps - to purchase skillpoints with plex - custom colors for ships - vanity... drones - real-time market data dumps - faction standing points - sec-status repair - erasing of employment history - more space for character background text - ability to advertise through the in-game video bilboards - "premium" (or phone) "live" tech support - dvd/cd's of the patches / game client so they don't have to be downloaded - CSM-level (insider) information about game features and planned features
Jaari Val'Dara Caldari Atomic Zeppelins BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.12.17 13:49:00 - [117] Plex should only be used for extending gametime. Everything else - ISK.
Lillith Starfire	Posted - 2010.12.17 14:48:00 - [118] Parachute pants. Stop! Hammer time!
Aargolos	Posted - 2010.12.17 14:52:00 - [119] Ship skins or decals
Ay Liz Sacred Templars RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.12.17 15:11:00 - [120] Edited by: Ay Liz on 17/12/2010 15:13:47 Nothing. EVE is already one of the most expensive MMOs around. Mixing high monthly cost with microtransactions is just greedy. I would say OK to things like logos on your ship, some special hats (hi TF2) for your toon when Incarna hits or stuff like that. But only if they lower subscription cost. Mixing subs and microtransactions is the newest scam/trend in the industry. Too bad all those headless chickens pay for everything these days.
Kinta Huron Exotic Matter	Posted - 2010.12.17 15:27:00 - [121] I would gladly pay to be able to or redistribute some of my SP points from unwanted skills.
Tonom	Posted - 2010.12.17 16:18:00 - [122] Edited by: Tonom on 17/12/2010 16:21:20 Originally by: Kinta Huron I would gladly pay to be able to or redistribute some of my SP points from unwanted skills. Yes! sp remap would be awesome but without any bs restrictions like: only within 1 skill-set being allowed.
Steveir	Posted - 2010.12.17 17:05:00 - [123] Edited by: Steveir on 17/12/2010 17:12:02 Ships skins and character names. Less popular SP points - hack off veterns and draw in new players - I'm not sure if that would be a good thing or a bad thing. Perhaps based on a max 10 mill sp per character? And if we have walking in stations, I can get my wife to play if she can have a sexy pink elf avitar :) Oh and a custard pie thrower please.
Open Orifice	Posted - 2010.12.17 17:17:00 - [124] I can hardly wait to buy Skill Points...
MaxxOmega Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2010.12.17 17:19:00 - [125] Originally by: Ash Donai Cash for SP is just a matter of time. New players can only be attracted if they don't have to spend a couple years training skills. The removal of the learning skills was the first step into that direction, buying SP with cash straight up rather than the current way of cash for PLEX for ISK for SP (character) is the next step. The only people who are opposed to that are those who don't have disposable RL income because they are simply too inept at life to generate such income. That's not the target audience of CCP in either case, especially since all you do will be raging instead of just walking away. Even if you walk away your $15/mo will be replaced with hundreds of $ per month from people who are willing and able to shell out cash for a game. So yeah, go suck an egg you poor bastards. Wellfare epics -> that way! Agreed. The people who don't generate any cash flow for CCP are customers who can easily be forgotten...
Not T'amber	Posted - 2010.12.17 17:56:00 - [126] Edited by: Not T''amber on 17/12/2010 17:56:46 /me spanks akita around the head ------- TeaDaze > Good plan DV, we need somebody to take over bad poasting from T'Amber ;) Not T'amber > /me raises hand
Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.19 12:33:00 - [127] I'd want: - Change bloodline (+character portrait remake) for plex!
Jaqel Broadside	Posted - 2010.12.19 13:02:00 - [128] Originally by: MaxxOmega Originally by: Ash Donai Cash for SP is just a matter of time. New players can only be attracted if they don't have to spend a couple years training skills. The removal of the learning skills was the first step into that direction, buying SP with cash straight up rather than the current way of cash for PLEX for ISK for SP (character) is the next step. The only people who are opposed to that are those who don't have disposable RL income because they are simply too inept at life to generate such income. That's not the target audience of CCP in either case, especially since all you do will be raging instead of just walking away. Even if you walk away your $15/mo will be replaced with hundreds of $ per month from people who are willing and able to shell out cash for a game. So yeah, go suck an egg you poor bastards. Wellfare epics -> that way! Agreed. The people who don't generate any cash flow for CCP are customers who can easily be forgotten... Yeah like everyone in null sec who pays for their subscription via PLEX, they don't make any income for Eve at all. In fact if they made Eve back to subscription only then your argument would also hold some sway. Then there is the argument when this comes in, the point of Eve play becomes what exactly ? $ -> SP leads to quick end game,, what exactly is the point of this "idea" other than making a quick buck and then not having a game at all. Most people who play games don't have real life responsibilities, they are either kids or adults with time on their hands. I would much rather go do some over time, go on holiday, go pick up a girl, go do an adrenaline sport, run a business, go drink beer, go do practically anything at all than spend more than a few 10's of $ a month on fail entertainment. Only a social failure would want to spend hundreds of $ on a waste of time. Eve is a replacement for TV,, that's all for me. Suggest you go lookup the terms sport and game in a dictionary, maybe then you can actually understand what you are posting about. If you didn't realise it already playing Eve as a game is supposed to be a journey of discovery of choice, enjoying the content on the way. There IS some merit in saying new char content does not exist and established ISK earning is being hogged -> here there really is an issue. In other words, many games in one universe, your suggesting there is only one game and that is Titans,, epic failure. Your point is even more laughable when you consider SP for $ is already there, go sell plex and buy a char in the char bazzare and feel the pointlessness of your spent $. I guess your just bored.
HulkHogan	Posted - 2011.01.09 02:02:00 - [129] Yeah, maybe
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.09 02:03:00 - [130] Originally by: HulkHogan Yeah, maybe HulkHogan casts thread resurrection with the simple statement of "Yeah, maybe"....
Comrade Tsukae	Posted - 2011.01.09 02:13:00 - [131] Microtransactions are awful and I would probably quit.

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