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Myrkala
Minmatar
Ad Astra Vexillum
Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.12.14 12:20:00 -
[61]
Pantaloons.
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 Originally by: Plumpy McPudding
Minmatar? More like Winmatar.
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Lubomir Penev
Sausages of Truth
S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2010.12.14 12:26:00 -
[62]
I would pay RL money for in game items like "GM Grimmi's head on a stick".
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Xorth Adimus
Caldari
The Perfect Storm
Random-Violence
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Posted - 2010.12.14 12:28:00 -
[63]
Vanity items in stations..
You know for all the people who can't play eve and want to wander around in an empty station, with fancy pants.
Maybe create a terrible bar they made in a 3rd rate '2nd life' emulator to look like hello kitty online?
Some people don't deserve money give it to CCP for safe keeping!
CCP V P FTW 
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Rek Seven
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Posted - 2010.12.14 12:53:00 -
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Edited by: Rek Seven on 14/12/2010 12:54:37
I would possible pay for clothing in incarna or I would pay for service enhancing features. For example, if CCP sponsored fans to create eve related entertainment (e.g. clear skies) that I could watch in game or at the very lease, through the in-game browser.
I think if ppl could buy items from the market, it could break the game.
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Metalkiss
Minmatar
Pack Mentality
Art of War Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.14 13:02:00 -
[65]
I am a huge advocate for micro-transactions. It's too big a market development for companies to ignore, in my opinion. But that said, I hate it when games become "pay to win", as has been mentioned a few times in this thread. As long as the things that could be purchased through micro-transactions weren't required for me to progress or actually have a chance in the game, I'd buy.
I have a full-time job and some spare cash here and there, but I'm afraid that if the game became "pay to win" I wouldn't be keen on continuing, even if I could afford the items in question.
Things like ship skins, account services (already partially available, but with more options), and anything else cosmetic that wouldn't affect gameplay balance between those who pay and those who don't.
Classy lady pirate.
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Aerilis
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.12.14 13:33:00 -
[66]
Alliance/corporate shuttles. Pay a small fee, and the all shuttles of all corp/alliance members are emblazoned with your corp/alliance logo. Pay a little more, and you'll get a custom color scheme. Pay the premium package, and you can design your own shuttle, which will then be (pending CCP's approval and integration of your design) be seeded at all alliance-owned stations.
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Chrysalis D'lilth
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Posted - 2010.12.14 14:08:00 -
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It seems like a very lazy solution/dumbing down of EvE industy.
I'd rather see in game manufacturing systems for all these new 'cosmetic' items. Put it on the market with everything else.
Those that can't afford the isk to buy them, will spend RL money on more Plex to sell for isk...
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TheGoodTrader
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Posted - 2010.12.14 16:11:00 -
[68]
PLEX for removal of Microtransaction threads and a one-month ban on the poster.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2010.12.16 17:21:00 -
[69]
friendly bump
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KurnKuku
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Posted - 2010.12.16 17:22:00 -
[70]
Edited by: KurnKuku on 16/12/2010 17:24:12
edit - sorry trolling
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.16 17:24:00 -
[71]
I barely tolerate things as they are.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Billy Kidd
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Posted - 2010.12.16 17:49:00 -
[72]
If it's too hard to get a Hello Kitty paintjob for my carrier, then I would pay for at least a Hello Kitty tattoo on my avatar
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Jaik7
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Posted - 2010.12.16 18:16:00 -
[73]
Originally by: SargeantNekkid DDS
Even for cosmetic crap it's stupid. If someone makes a skin that makes it difficult to see their ship against a certain backdrop then that's a slight advantage.
CCP could probably make decent money by auctioning off the right to name various 0.0 systems as well as various planets, moons, etc. It's not an infinite money faucet like most micro-transaction schemes are, but at least it fits into the whole EVE marketing slogan of "how will you influence the EVE universe?".
lol, how would you hide from brackets? nothing hides from brackets. you can't camo brackets.
did i mention brackets?
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
Ctrl Alt Elites
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Posted - 2010.12.16 18:16:00 -
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Some people are idiots. PLEX for remaps was a fine idea, considering it was a "omgmicrotransactionwhinewhinewhine" available to anyone using in-game currency. How that even managed to translate into omgtheskyisfalling I still have no idea. What "huge advantage" would it have given to some people? Did they really expect folk would use a PLEX to remap after every skill was finished and thus gain immortality or some nonsense? Know who would consider doing that? Like 3 people in all of EVE, who are already so far ahead in SP from having played from the get-go SP wise that you'd never have caught up, anyway. CCP should implement a cap on skill levels, at say... 5, so that everyone could train a skill and be on the same level as someone else who trained that skill to 5.
Absolute morons.
Know who worries about micro-transactions? Poor and/or lazy people.
Stop being poor and/or lazy, majority of EVE players.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2010.12.16 18:33:00 -
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So far we have come to the conclusion that anything you can buy for ISK, you can buy for real money anyway. Therefore founding an argument on the idea that being able to spend real life money for in-game advantages would be game-destroying is not sustainable. Think about it - as the way things stand right now, in a worst case scenario, a newbie teenager from WoW could join Eve for the first time, and use his daddy's credit card to buy enough plex to make himself a biliionare, before purchasing a 100m skillpoint char from the bazaar, and any number of tech 3/faction/capital ships/mods he might desire. All within the space of less than a week. This for many people I think is a nightmare scenario, right? But it could happen today.
So then we have to ask why people are so passionately against PLEX for remap? Is it because even though things are so bad, we must throw ourselves on the gears to stop them getting one iota worse? It seems to me the argument we should be making is one of awareness - we want to keep the knowledge that ISK and dollars are interchangable as low-key as possible, to prevent a game played primarily with real money. Unfortunately however this is in direct conflict with the goals of CCP if you look at the most recent dev blog - as they want to raise awareness of the system to combat RMT.
But maybe we are wrong? Maybe micro transactions won't kill the game, because the playerbase itself has a general propensity to gravitate away from such real-life crossover meta-gameplay? There are just as many people grinding their butt of to pay the subscription with in game money as there are people replacing their PvP Bhaalgorns with a ú20 token.
Or is the fear that if the game moves more in that direction, that people will likewise move more in that direction, thus changing the spirit of the game? That seems to me to be a valid issue. The only way to address this worry I think is to look at other MMO games and see how a reliance on micro-transactions has "ruined" the game.
Just as long as we don't look at the Eve China server, where it's so bad, alliances are populated with pvpers who are payed a real life wage to fight over in game resources, as their control yeilds in game items that can be sold for real life money. This feeds back into my point about a propensity in the Eve playerbase to gravitate away from 100% meta gaming. Because in China, it is a much more acceptable norm.
Sorry about the tl;dr, I am currently doing an essay in the other window so am in essay mode!
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.12.16 18:34:00 -
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Due to the recent **** up and actually saving me a month from my anniversary of a remap but awarding other players a remap ontop of one they never used.
I would happily use PLEX for Remaps, I didn't initially support it but after they ****ed this up royally and unfairly distributed remaps then I would say I want to have that edge and I might be willing to pay for it.
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Sebastien LeReparteur
Minmatar
Sebastien LeReparteur Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.16 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Sebastien LeReparteur on 16/12/2010 18:46:42
Edited by: Sebastien LeReparteur on 16/12/2010 18:45:19
RMT for ship and modules means he never learned how to use them and you get to blow them off again and again and again!
Win Win situation IMO!
Anyway PLEX is already that.
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Jaik7
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Posted - 2010.12.16 19:15:00 -
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the reason i quit cafeworld was because i found out that the little dollar were not convertable from the little coins.
don't make plex into the little dollars, plz!
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Open Orifice
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Posted - 2010.12.16 19:45:00 -
[79]
I can hardly wait to buy Skill Points...
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Ash Donai
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Posted - 2010.12.16 20:02:00 -
[80]
Microtransactions are the future of online gaming.
It's irrelevant if 50k bitter vets quit the game if that means that 500k new users who embrace microtransactions join up.
The industry has shown that microtransactions are profitable and that gamers as a group are willing to embrace that type of play. In recent news LOTRO and DDO have shown that F2P and microtransactions have resulted in a huge influx of new players whole in the case or LOTRO doubling earnings.
So yeah, considering that EVE already has microtransactions (which are not so micro) it's just a matter of time before you see a F2P + microtransactions scheme for EVE, it's inevitable.
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Wiki Leaks
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Posted - 2010.12.16 20:08:00 -
[81]
Like any eve veteran, the only answer is
NOTHING!!!!
(except world of tanks)
(lol)
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.12.16 20:30:00 -
[82]
Symmetrical ships? 
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2010.12.16 20:33:00 -
[83]
I would (barely) tolerate PLEX for virtual CCP StevieSG lapdance. |
Flesh Slurper
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Posted - 2010.12.16 20:36:00 -
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No, because as I have said in another thread:
Originally by: Flesh Slurper
So what you are saying is that I should pay a monthly fee for a game, and then have to pay extra if I want access to all the content? That we should encourage the developers to make microtransaction extras since they will make more money rather than adding features that everyone can use?
Even if you look at purely cosmetic items, if microtransactions never existed, then these items would be fun features added to the game that everyone could enjoy. The game would be better for all. But because of corporate greed and idiots who will pay for it, those items will be given to the people that pay the extra price for them, making the normal subscribers second class citizens. Development time will not be allocated to reducing lag or improving features that could be available for everyone. Why should they when they can lock those same features away and charge extra for them.
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Rohnda
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Posted - 2010.12.16 20:40:00 -
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Cosmetical stuff...
Like when incarna rolls around customising your avatar etc .. and if server one day allows it .. custom pain jobs for ships for real money ? sure :)
As long as they stay away from Pay to win / gain an advantage...
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2010.12.16 20:46:00 -
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PLEX for:
- Neural remaps
- Custom ship skins ( a very small and subtle color palatte that fits EVE. No Brit Bank neo or true black crap please )
- Vanity decor for Incarna corp/personal quarters
- Vanity Incarna clothing
- Custom corporate logos
- Custom alliance logos for alliances that don't meet the current requirements
- SP remap. Limited to 1 per year, and only within one skillset, ie. ability to remap all Industry SP and distribute it freely to other skillsets
- Ability to train 2 or 3 characters on the same account. 1 PLEX per extra character per month
- A WoD beta spot
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.12.16 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Some people are idiots. PLEX for remaps was a fine idea, considering it was a "omgmicrotransactionwhinewhinewhine" available to anyone using in-game currency. How that even managed to translate into omgtheskyisfalling I still have no idea. What "huge advantage" would it have given to some people? Did they really expect folk would use a PLEX to remap after every skill was finished and thus gain immortality or some nonsense? Know who would consider doing that? Like 3 people in all of EVE, who are already so far ahead in SP from having played from the get-go SP wise that you'd never have caught up, anyway. CCP should implement a cap on skill levels, at say... 5, so that everyone could train a skill and be on the same level as someone else who trained that skill to 5.
Absolute morons.
Know who worries about micro-transactions? Poor and/or lazy people.
Stop being poor and/or lazy, majority of EVE players.
Agreed we should all buy botting programs and run bots so we won't be poor and technically no longer lazy as we all run bots for hours on end a day. Cheating to run bots or cheating to pay for **** certainly is the way to go for those who don't have the time to 'make it' in EVE, here's to a more perfect EVE where more people cheat.
--WIS/Incarna/Ambulation where microtransactions come to play, and uh bars.-- |
iRommel
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Posted - 2010.12.16 21:13:00 -
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hats!
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Ancyker
The Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.16 21:32:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Ancyker on 16/12/2010 21:32:52
Originally by: Pohbis
PLEX for:
- Neural remaps
- Custom ship skins ( a very small and subtle color palatte that fits EVE. No Brit Bank neo or true black crap please )
- Vanity decor for Incarna corp/personal quarters
- Vanity Incarna clothing
- Custom corporate logos
- Custom alliance logos for alliances that don't meet the current requirements
Yes. Very much yes. Can I add create an alliance to that?
Originally by: Pohbis
Ability to train 2 or 3 characters on the same account. 1 PLEX per extra character per month
That's ... really stupid. I want the ability to train multiple characters. I am willing to pay up to $5 extra per month per character for this service. 1 PLEX per character is ******ed because I could just have it on another account and be able to use both at the same time, having it cost a PLEX negates any benefit it could possibly provide. In terms of PLEX, 1 PLEX could just enable 1 character for 3 months.
Originally by: Pohbis
SP remap. Limited to 1 per year, and only within one skillset, ie. ability to remap all Industry SP and distribute it freely to other skillsets
I like this, but it should be once per year per category. So you could reset every category once in 1 year, but not reset the same category twice. 1 PLEX for this is a tad expensive though.
Also, since PLEX is real money and it means CCP got money, why not let PLEX be used in the EVE store sort of like a gift card? Someone sells PLEX, someone else buys it and can now get a t-shirt or something.
P.S. For micro transactions to work, CCP needs to add a new representation of real world money into the game. PLEX is about $17.50 in real world currency and that is in no way a MICRO transaction. A micro transaction is like 25 cents to $3. There is no way in hell I'm paying $17.50 for a custom ship skin, even if it lasts forever, nor would I pay 350 million ISK. My suggestion is adding a new currency that is purchased like PLEX but is worth less in terms of real world money. PLEX should not be exchangeable into this currency and the currency should not be able to be sold directly (see below).
As for people not liking the idea of micro transactions, I think the biggest fear people have is what I and probably they have seen happen in a few other games, where real world representations of money (ie, PLEX) increase in value so much they replace in game currency for high value items. For example, imagine someone selling a carrier but only accepting PLEX meanwhile PLEX has risen in value so much that few people sell it for ISK because you can't buy anything good for ISK anymore because everyone wants PLEX, not ISK.
It may seem far fetched to some but I've seen it happen in other games, and it is a big problem when the representation of real world currency can be traded on the market. The problem is if it can't then people complain that they have no way to get it. The more things you can buy with PLEX, the more likely it is to happen because the greater the demand on PLEX will be. I think the best way to avoid this is to add a new currency for micro transactions and not allow the trading of the in game currency directly and only allow the trading of the items purchased with it. This means people HAVE to sell and buy the actual items/services with ISK.
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Vuukko Maikkoonen
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.16 21:38:00 -
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Microtransactions with real money are only good if you can only buy things which don't give you advantage over other players. So only cosmetic things like clothing for the avatar in Incarna, or something you can decorate your ship with like skins or something similar.
Microtransactions with real money are not good if you can gain advantages over other players just because by spending more money than others so you can win easily. They destroy the gameplay.
Just have a look at many "free" browsergames (most of them are funded on microtransactions and have an ingame "shop" for items) and you know what i mean. They are dominated by players who spend a fortune of their money only to win
My 2 cents and my personal opinion to this thread...
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