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Posted - 2010.12.12 18:47:00 -
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On Tuesday December 14, 2010 we will be releasing our Christmas presents to you. One of these is the removal of learning skills. You can read more about it in CCP GrayscaleÆs dev blog here. Since this is something brand new we decided to provide this FAQ to help you with any questions you might have.
Q: What will happen during Downtime on December 14?
A: CCP Stillman has a great answer to this. This quote is what happened when we tested the change on Singularity and can expect the same thing to happen on Tranquility.
 Originally by: CCP Stillman
- Any injected skill book that was not trained at all was removed without any reimbursement
- Any learning skill you had trained was removed, and all SP you had trained in it was reimbursed as free skill points (See the green text at the top of your skill sheet)
- If you were training a learning skill, the learning skill was removed from the skill queue and your skill queue was restarted with any non-learning-skill you had in your queue
- If you had any learning skill book in a hangar/cargo/corp hangar/container in space/etc., your skill books have been reimbursed at the following values, to the owning entity
- Learning skill book: 31,500.00 ISK
- Tier 1 learning skill book: 35,000.00 ISK
- Tier 2 learning skill book: 4,500,000.00 ISK
- Any learning skill books in a contract have been replaced with a Pax Amarria, and the skill book was reimbursed at same above values.
- Any learning skill books in a market order was reimbursed at the same values listed above
Q: Will my skill training stop during downtime on December 14?
A: One of three things will happen during this change. If you have a long skill set you will notice no change aside from having your new attribute points applied to the skill training time. If you have a short skill set that will end during downtime, because of the new attribute points, then you will stop training like normal unless you have another skill in you skill queue. If you have nothing but learning skills in your queue at downtime then your skill training will be paused and the skills removed. Your skill training will only resume if you have a non-learning skill in the queue. Hint Hint
Q: What happened to the learning skill books?
A: The learning skill books have already been removed from the NPC market. Any books remaining in a hangar/cargo hold/corporation hangar/container in space/etc. will be reimbursed at the amount posted in CCP StillmanÆs quote above.
Q: Are you going to reimburse us for learning skills we have already trained?
A: Sorry you will not get an ISK reimbursement for injected/trained learning skills. For more information why please read CCP GreyscaleÆs blog.
Q: How does this affect my attributes?
A: After the change you will be given 12 attribute points in each attribute. This means the default attributes will be 20/20/20/20/19 with Charisma being the 19.
Q: Will we still be able to remap attributes?
A: Attribute remaping has not changed. You can still play with your distributable points in the same way after December 14, 2010 as you can today.
Q: I have X.Y million skill points in the learning skills, what happens to them?
A: They are placed in your Skill Point Pool.
Q: How do we use my Skill Point Pool?
A: You can learn how to redistribute your old learning skill points from this EVElopedia article on Skill Reimbursement.
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Posted - 2010.12.12 18:47:00 -
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Q: Do we still get the 100% training speed bonus up until 1.6 million skill points?
A: No. You can read CCP GreyscaleÆs Blog for the reasoning behind this change.
Q: *Your question here*
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Posted - 2010.12.12 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer
Edited by: Tres Farmer on 12/12/2010 18:59:54
Q: Did CCP Santa think of this all by himself or had he help from elves?
CCP Santa drinks beer instead of milk so all the elves had to help out.
Q: Does CCP Santa fly a North Polaris sled?
Yes
Q: Does CCP Santa talk with CCP Easter Bunny about additions to this, so that CCP Easter Bunny doesn't bring us something totally unrelated?
CCP Easter Bunny was unavailable for comments.
Q: Has CCP Easter Bunny a totally coloured Pod, like those Easter Eggs?
Yes, I reported him once for hacking and GM Horse just laughed at me.
Q: What's CCP Santas and CCP Easter Bunnys opinion on Armageddon Day on New Years Eve?
They think the current amount of chaos on Tranquility is enough.
Q: Will CCP Santa give us new Balls for our launchers from last year?
Have you been a good little boy or girl this year? Guess you will have to wait and see.
Now with answers from me 
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Posted - 2010.12.12 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lirael Dyrim
"Any injected skill book that was not trained at all was removed without any reimbursement"
Does that only count for Learning skills or all skills that have not been trained?
Only learning skills.
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Posted - 2010.12.12 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Odile
Q: If a character with free skill points is tranferred, what happens to the free skill points?
Q and A added to second post 
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Posted - 2010.12.12 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: NYTERRORZ
Q: so these attribute points will they default into the assigned learning skill they were taken from or are they assignable to what ever we want? IE there are X ammount of learning skill bonus points to charisma can i put those into intelligence instead?
The skill point pool does not discriminate based on learning attributes. You can put these points wherever you want! Paging CCP Coffee Machine!
Your re-mappable attribute points will not be touched, and will not change unless you remap them. No rules have been changed considering remaps, just the extra attribute points giving from learning skills are being changed.
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Posted - 2010.12.12 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: realdognose
Q: Are the Skillpoints of partialy trained learning skills reimbursed, too? (i.e. if you have trained 300k from lvl IV to V)
Q and A Added to Second post
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Posted - 2010.12.12 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Reicine Ceer
Edited by: Reicine Ceer on 12/12/2010 19:21:30
Q:Should i dump my skillpoints into ECM or Gunnery?
A: Your Answer Here
Q: But seriously now, is CCP anticipating any negative effects of this change, and if so, is there anything we should look out for?
A: Your Answer Here
You may find this thread interesting. It deals with testing these changes on Singularity.
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Posted - 2010.12.12 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: NYTERRORZ
Q:i wasnt talking about the skill points i was talking about the attribute points that we get from the learning skills. like if you train iron will up to 5 you get 5 perception points from it. or are all the attribute points that come with the learning skills dissapeering as well? because thats gonna increase training time by a lot.
For example Lets say you train Spatial Awareness to 5 and Clarity to 2 that gives you 7 extra perception. When the learning skills are removed those 7 points are gone, BUT we are giving you 12 points in perception back to make up for it. So in the end you get 12 points to all attributes instead of having the learning skills.
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Posted - 2010.12.12 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: 548645156
will all the char in the same account get the sp for each char
It is done per character.
For example: You have one character on your account with 1 million learning skills, that character gets 1 million back. If another character on the same account has 5 million learning skills, then that character gets 5 million back.
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Posted - 2010.12.12 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Cornwalace
Q: If I were to purchase the Commissioned Officer Edition from a store, do we still have access to the Cerebral Accelerator towards any new account/character we may decide to create, since it is a sort of "new player learning speed bonus"?
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Q: Would utilizing the Cerebral Accelerator be the equivalent of using the new player learning speed bonus for those of us with new accounts (or wanting to start new accounts)?
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Q:What other "Miscellaneous other cleanup tasks will be performed that are not very interesting" regarding the learning skills are happening?
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Implants are not being changed because they are not learning skills 
I also have no idea about those miscellaneous other cleanup tasks but I'll see if I can find someone to answer that for you.
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Posted - 2010.12.12 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: Cornwalace
Q: If I were to purchase the Commissioned Officer Edition from a store, do we still have access to the Cerebral Accelerator towards any new account/character we may decide to create, since it is a sort of "new player learning speed bonus"?
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Q: Would utilizing the Cerebral Accelerator be the equivalent of using the new player learning speed bonus for those of us with new accounts (or wanting to start new accounts)?
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Q:What other "Miscellaneous other cleanup tasks will be performed that are not very interesting" regarding the learning skills are happening?
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Implants are not being changed because they are not learning skills
I also have no idea about those miscellaneous other cleanup tasks but I'll see if I can find someone to answer that for you.
Why hallo there,
The miscellaneous part refers to following items, but are not limited to:
1. All mentions of learning skills removed from tutorials, evelopedia, other text in the client
2. All complexes that required skills to activate gates, no longer requires those
3. Changing of the name and description of the static data for learning skills, as we can't complete remove them quite yet
As for the Cerebral Accelerator, we're not changing anything in regards to it, and it will continue to be given to players who buys the new sexy box, and anybody using it as of Tuesday will not experience any problems from using it. 
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Posted - 2010.12.12 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
I have only stupid questions, but I'll ask anyway to be certain...I tried the Sisi test, but being as I was training learning skills on TQ i had no point of reference to what my refunds should have been 
Q: Will the bonus points expire at any point in the future, or can I hang onto them?
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Q: Will the new bonus points overwrite any existing bonus skillpoints, like from the unexpected server downtime however long ago?
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Answered in the main FAQ!
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Posted - 2010.12.12 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ovella
Originally by: CCP Stillman
The miscellaneous part refers to following items, but are not limited to:
1. All mentions of learning skills removed from tutorials, evelopedia, other text in the client
2. All complexes that required skills to activate gates, no longer requires those
3. Changing of the name and description of the static data for learning skills, as we can't complete remove them quite yet
Any chance you'll also get to cnaging PLEX description to relate "recent" changes? 
I'm reffering to ones that allowed it's transportation, ofc 
CCP Chronotis has already fixed this. It should be out for Incursion 1.1
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Posted - 2010.12.12 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: haarlowe
Q: Come December 14th, if a character is inactive, do they still get their skill points back to use upon reactivation?
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Every single character gets their SP back, active or not
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Posted - 2010.12.12 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cornwalace
Q: What is the meaning of life?
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What is 6 times 7?
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Posted - 2010.12.13 08:21:00 -
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Offtopic posts removed. Please try to keep the conversation in a constructive vein.
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Posted - 2010.12.13 09:41:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Stillman on 13/12/2010 09:46:23
Please stay on topic guys, we're doing this to offer people who might have questions about the actual deployment to get some answers. If you want to discuss 20vs19, free remap or no free remap, removal or no removal, please take that to the dev-blog thread. Everything you've been discussing so far has been done to death in the other thread.
Thanks
EDIT: Here is the link.
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Posted - 2010.12.13 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Raven Seldon
Q: Is there a time limit to redistribute your SP's?
A: Nope, there's no time limit!
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Posted - 2010.12.13 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: qaz zaq
Maybe provide a link to the Dev Blog discussion please?
Splendid idea. Done!
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Posted - 2010.12.13 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kuntakinte NL
Q: can we have 5 mil free sp for beeing awesome? Just like on SiSi
(and give me an extra 5 for mentioning it?)
While all EVE players are awesome, we'll not be giving any bonus like we did on SISI, which was purely for encouraging players to partake in the testing.
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Posted - 2010.12.13 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Im Blue
Q as my attributes are being reduced at what point will i slow down my training speed? will it be the next time i change or add a skill or will it be the start or end of the downtime
Your new attributes will take effect at downtime.
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Posted - 2010.12.13 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Veebring Greetings
Edited by: Veebring Greetings on 13/12/2010 12:50:28
Q: Are the reimbursed SP redistributable between the chars on one account or are they strictly per character?
Strictly per character I'm afraid.
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Posted - 2010.12.13 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Elteam
Q: Are the skill books being completely erased from existence? If I somehow managed to figure out some loophole in this erasure process would they even be able to exist in the new eve universe?
Say I want to own some copies for posterity.
Skill books are being completely erased. If you somehow manage to keep some, they'll definitely be erased in the future.
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Posted - 2010.12.13 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowStar90
Q: How long can we hold Skill Point Pool until add to old skillbook?
The skill point pool will not expire at any point.
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Posted - 2010.12.13 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Bel Rigean
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Q: *Your question here*
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Q: Will it hurt?
It'll be painless, I promise!
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