People make it sound like t4 is chump change. It is not. I'm happy if my militia hits t3. If we hit t4, then I'm grateful and consider it icing on the cake.

People make it sound like t4 is chump change. It is not. I'm happy if my militia hits t3. If we hit t4, then I'm grateful and consider it icing on the cake.

People make it sound like t4 is chump change. It is not. I'm happy if my militia hits t3. If we hit t4, then I'm grateful and consider it icing on the cake.

T4 is having a summer house in the Hamptons rich
T5 is Mr. Burns rich

t4 is average money. You can get the same rate from highsec missioning. Plexing on your own in a quiet system gives only a bit more LP/h but the obvious advantage is that you only need a merlin and can AFK, but really the ISK isnt as good as people think.
T5 or bust.

ISK, ISK, ISK and cashing out. That's all anyone is ever concerned about. Feel like I've walked into a Chinese gold farmer sub section of the forums. I'll be glad when CCP does the next round of FW changes and maybe FW will be about fighting for something instead of lining our wallets.

What else is there to talk about?
Breaking news, a huge fight broke out between the amarr and minmatar militias on the kamela gate in sosala . It looks like amarr are winning by having killed 3 rifters already and only losing 1 punisher, but minmatar brought reinforcements in form of 3 thrashers. The battle is raging on. -»\_(pâä)_/-»

Just seems to me making ISK should be the means to a goal and not the goal itself. The system is to blame and not necessarily the players, but the way ISK seems to dominate any conversation regarding FW makes kinda sad. If ISK is all we care about why don't we just go run incursions?

t4 is average money. You can get the same rate from highsec missioning. Plexing on your own in a quiet system gives only a bit more LP/h but the obvious advantage is that you only need a merlin and can AFK, but really the ISK isnt as good as people think.
T5 or bust.

Just seems to me making ISK should be the means to a goal and not the goal itself. The system is to blame and not necessarily the players, but the way ISK seems to dominate any conversation regarding FW makes me kinda sad. If ISK is all we care about why don't we just go run incursions?

We'll be doing our best to make sure they are only able to hit T3 tomorrow.

+5 imps at t4: 32500lp 32,5m isk. Profit=~68m ISK/LP=2.1k
+5 imps at t5: 16250lp 16,25m isk. Profit=~ 84m ISK/LP=5,1k
You see, t4 isnt bad, but t5 is more than twice as good :)

Im pretty sure that i stand to make well 6/7 times the isk/hour on gallente tier 4 than anyone does doing high sec lvl 4's.

Even if i were to sell up right now

200k lp per 2.5 hours, so every 7.5 hours = 600k @ 75k per dominix thats 8 dni.

8 dni - cost of basic hulls and chips = (400m x 8 = 3.2bn) - (90 x 8 = 720m) = 2.48bn

2.48bn / 7.5 hours = 330m isk per hour.

As for the whole 'its not about isk' thing. Ive spent close to 20bn isk over the last few weeks on PVP assets. If you dont have the isk, you can buy the ships.

On a side note, isk for gallente at tier 4 > amarr at tier 4 by quite some way :p

Those isk/LP ratios are the results of lazy cash-in and weak spreadsheet-fu. If you diversify your purchases and don't just mash ONI/Slicer BPC a few dozen times, you can probably double that without much difficulty.

I'm happy to laugh at Nulli for being bad and expecting to hit T5 in a month, and I really doubt the Amarr can maintain the system numbers needed for t4, but make no mistake: intelligent Amarr pilots are going to wind up Scrooge McDuck-rich. There will be swimming pools full of datacores.

We'll be doing our best to make sure they are only able to hit T3 tomorrow.

200k lp per 2.5 hours is under the circumstance that you have full set of systems with majors to cycle through with no one to stop you. If caldari systems are really that quiet, then gratz, nice to have i guess.
330m isk per hour is really good, yes, but you can get that through highsec missioning too. However it takes effort, you need to know what to do and you need a machariel, which is not a stabbed 5m merlin. So yes, FW is better than missioning for the broad mass and i admit it, but the isk is nothing special. I can rival that with what i do. I, however, cannot rival t5 isk :P
What exactly do you mean by gallente tier 4> amarr t4? 90% of the items are exactly the same, except for the faction ships and damage mods, which btw are bad because you need tags and the amount of tags you need isnt affected by tiers.

Need tags for ships? And the amarr bs are sub 300m while the gallente ships are 400-500m, is what i meant. I dispute that you can run lvl 4's at anywhere close to 330m per hour in any ship. Other than perhaps a once per quarter epic arc for some factions.

+5 imps at t4: 32500lp 32,5m isk. Profit=~68m ISK/LP=2.1k
+5 imps at t5: 16250lp 16,25m isk. Profit=~ 84m ISK/LP=5,1k
You see, t4 isnt bad, but t5 is more than twice as good :)