Best thing is that you dock your full mack in the orca that is also full to carry even more ore

Shhh!
Being able to stuff 183,000m-¦ worth of ore into a single Orca without any modifications (206k if you abuse the hell out of cans) just makes the eventual loss that much more funGǪ

I think what needs to be done now is to get rid of NPC corps... now that you cant just insta gank these things anymore you should be able to war dec these people... just force them into thier respective faction warfare corp and there you have it...

i was runing the number got around a 30k ehp tank on the mack... not bad... not safe either...

how many catalysts do you need now to kill one?

with heat on you get what 650 dps out of each one? so 4 do 2600 dps so in 11 seconds its dead...
not bad at all i guess... just takes more coordination...

You like that a max yield Mackinkaw can now reach 20k EHP, which is as much as a fully tanked prepatch mackinkaw could get.

most likely but i am sure this is all they will get for a long time , it just amazes me that after all these months alarge number of them still go out untanked and afk mine , if they are unwilling to learn and adapt they deserve to be ganked , and that is final

A machinaw will not survive for very long in a null sec attack for example, but a skiff will with its huge buffer, until someone comes to help.

Realy no idear why some of you rage so much.

Isn't this game called a SANDBOX game?
Doesn't the one who like to mine pay the same real money as you do equal what you do?

If they want to afk-mine and have fun doing it .. what the hell is your damn problem?????
They found their little corner in this SANDBOX like you found your corner.

If I check the forums I allways find semi-arguments like: "I do nothing wrong, it's legit game mechanic" or "I do it for fun".
You must be realy short mindet, if you belive, your way is the only true way people can have fun (and should be allowed to have fun)!

Yes, I do semi-afk mining too and I LOVE it! I pay ~12,-Gé¼ each month just to be able to do it (and no, not plex, I use real money!!). While I do it, I watch TV or read a book or do my normal hause work (the stuff you have to do if you have no mom anymore). In addition I invest several hundret million ISK to make my miner a good miner (tank or yield or mix what ever I like).

So where is your damn legitimation which says: you just need 20m to destroy this?? Right, there is no such legitimation!! And your:" buhaha but I want to" is by far not enough! It's not even worth the hot air comming out of your mouth.

When devs post stuff like "The money you paid for a ship to gank with compared to the money lost by your target was completely off", it sounds like cost IS being used to balance the game. And to a certain degree, they should continue to do so.

you cant beat my macks/hulks in terms of tank. your catalysts will cry when they see my tanks

gistii a/b-type booster
pith/gist b-typ kinetic/thermal hardeners

have fun ganking that, if you even can. you would need a shitload of luck to even get to me. if you dont die on the way, if you can scan down the grav sites and if you can actualy catch somebody in the grav site that hasnt warped off yet, you will definetly get killed by somebody reshipping into a combatship and ****** by a bubbled outgate when you try to run away

So you don't think the recent changes have made it so that it costs more to gank miners? Or you don't think the quote above suggests they are using cost to balance the game?

Before you could gank a mac with one cat. Now you need 2-3. It COSTS more. They have balanced the game so that it costs more to gank. How is this not a cost-balancing effect?