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Lex Lacey	Posted - 2010.12.15 16:07:00 - [1] What exactly does that mean if it says that I have 3 remaps available, if I use one, will I then have to wait another year?
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.12.15 16:08:00 - [2] no - you can use 3 before having to wait 12mnths for the 4th -- Join BIG
PureMurder	Posted - 2010.12.15 16:27:00 - [3] another question, let's say you have 2 remaps available, if you use one and wait a year, will you get 2 maps again, or will you still be left with only 1? i.e. do these things accumulate at any rate if you have them, or do you have to have none in order to start accumulating remaps?
Nikolai Kondratiev Sphere Design Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.15 16:34:00 - [4] You can use them as you wish. Once you use the last one, you start the 1-year countdown. _ WTS Capital BPOs
Darrigaaz	Posted - 2010.12.15 16:41:00 - [5] Originally by: PureMurder you have to have none in order to start accumulating remaps This.
Anxiir	Posted - 2010.12.15 16:48:00 - [6] I have a question about this free remap. My next remap would have been available in April, If i use this 'free' one now, will i have to wait until next December or will i still receive the one in April?
PureMurder	Posted - 2010.12.15 17:14:00 - [7] Originally by: Darrigaaz Originally by: PureMurder you have to have none in order to start accumulating remaps This. tyty hijack ftw :)
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.12.15 17:19:00 - [8] Quite odd on the remaps. When they first came out all existing characters got 1 remap and new ones got 2. Now all my characters that I had before remaps went from 1 to 3 remaps, as I've never used a remap on an existing character, only new ones.
Anxiir	Posted - 2010.12.15 17:27:00 - [9] Originally by: PureMurder Originally by: Darrigaaz Originally by: PureMurder you have to have none in order to start accumulating remaps This. tyty hijack ftw :) Ok fair enough. I fail to see how this is a "free" remap then if i have to wait another year for another one. whatever I guess. Next time they should call it "early" remap instead of "free" since your not gaining anything.
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.12.15 17:44:00 - [10] Originally by: Anxiir Originally by: PureMurder Originally by: Darrigaaz Originally by: PureMurder you have to have none in order to start accumulating remaps This. tyty hijack ftw :) Ok fair enough. I fail to see how this is a "free" remap then if i have to wait another year for another one. whatever I guess. Next time they should call it "early" remap instead of "free" since your not gaining anything. FAIL You will get another remap in April as you would have anyways

Anxiir	Posted - 2010.12.15 18:11:00 - [11] Edited by: Anxiir on 15/12/2010 18:15:24 Quote: FAIL You will get another remap in April as you would have anyways Nope. i just petitioned it. And confirming that nope, you wont. Quote: Hi there, If you were not planning on using one, then it wouldn't really be of much benefit. But due to the attributes being rebalanced, we felt it necessary to give all players one free remap. Thus, rather than having to wait until next April, you can use it now. Sincerely, GM Syndemic EVE Online Customer Support I send a message back for come clarification on this, as he didnt actually answer my question
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.12.15 18:16:00 - [12] Originally by: Anxiir Quote: FAIL You will get another remap in April as you would have anyways Nope. i just petitioned it. And confirming that nope, you wont. Quote: Hi there, If you were not planning on using one, then it wouldn't really be of much benefit. But due to the attributes being rebalanced, we felt it necessary to give all players one free remap. Thus, rather than having to wait until next April, you can use it now. Sincerely, GM Syndemic EVE Online Customer Support Hmm.. well that isn't exactly clear that you will lose the one that you are due in April but I am willing to entertain the possibility that that is the case. If it is the case then I owe you an apology and I will be waiting until May to use mine as then I will have two and CAN use the extra remap within 12 months.
Anxiir	Posted - 2010.12.15 18:41:00 - [13] Hmm.. well that isn't exactly clear that you will lose the one that you are due in April but I am willing to entertain the possibility that that is the case. If it is the case then I owe you an apology and I will be waiting until May to use mine as then I will have two and CAN use the extra remap within 12 months. Do you realize it doesn't work like that? It goes from 12 months from your final remap. So if you have 1 left, you will have to wait a year from when you use that last 1. You don't receive 1 per year if you already have one available. Figured that one out the hard way.
Kargyraa	Posted - 2010.12.15 18:54:00 - [14] Edited by: Kargyraa on 15/12/2010 18:54:52 Originally by: Anxiir Edited by: Anxiir on 15/12/2010 18:15:24 Quote: Hi there, If you were not planning on using one, then it wouldn't really be of much benefit. But due to the attributes being rebalanced, we felt it necessary to give all players one free remap. Thus, rather than having to wait until next April, you can use it now. Sincerely, GM Syndemic EVE Online Customer Support Well I didn't get a free remap so I guess they don't mean all characters. I just used my last remap about a week (or two) ago so I'm not to worried. And yes you have to wait a year from the moment you use your last one. edit My alt did have 3 remaps, well down to 2 now. (:
Maximillian Dragonard	Posted - 2010.12.15 20:03:00 - [15] Personally, I'm due for a remap in 4-5 months, so will keep my freebie remap until then. After getting my new remap in April/May, I'll use one, leaving one available in case I need a change in less than another year
Ashina Sito Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.12.15 20:33:00 - [16] Originally by: CCP Navigator Originally by: Vespoi Filar Previous to the 1.0.1 release I had a remap already available and unused. Does the Free Remap in 1.0.1 mean I now have 2? Or just the one that I hadn't used yet? Yes. If you had no remaps available we have given you a free remap so you now have one. If you had one available you will now have two. Please check the original post in this thread as there have been some issues with the free neural remap which will be fixed during downtime tomorrow.
Anxiir	Posted - 2010.12.15 21:13:00 - [17] Originally by: Maximillian Dragonard Personally, I'm due for a remap in 4-5 months, so will keep my freebie remap until then. After getting my new remap in April/May, I'll use one, leaving one available in case I need a change in less than another year Heh. Like i just said. It doesn't work like that. lets say you have 2 remaps. If you use one now, you will have 1 left. Thats easy to understand. Now if you dont use your last one, next year at this time you WILL NOT get another one - because you still have one left. The timer starts after you use your last remap. If your due for remap in april and you use the free one now, you will have to wait until next december for the next.
Devro III	Posted - 2010.12.15 22:01:00 - [18] I don't know... This remap seems to have screwed me out of my up coming one. I hope to hell this is just another bug
Transient Drifter	Posted - 2010.12.15 22:15:00 - [19] oooh so we did get a free remap with this patch? i was curious about that...
Anxiir	Posted - 2010.12.15 22:42:00 - [20] Originally by: Devro III I don't know... This remap seems to have screwed me out of my up coming one. I hope to hell this is just another bug Ya exactly. I sure hope im wrong, but its not looking good. still waiting on a GM to clarify this.

Kargyraa	Posted - 2010.12.15 23:22:00 - [21] Originally by: Devro III I don't know... This remap seems to have screwed me out of my up coming one. I hope to hell this is just another bug You have not been screwed out of anything. You have been given your remap 4 months early to allow you to change your attributes now to reflect the learning skill change. But your cooldown for another year until your next remap will start until you decided to use your last one. You only get UP TO one remap per year depending on when you choose to use your last remap. So if you had 0 remaps (remaping is on cooldown), the cooldown was taken away and you should have 1 now. If you had 1 you now have 2, if you have 2 you now have 3 (as spider man says, everyone gets one). The catch is the cooldown on remaping doesn't start until you use your last one, if you never use your last remap, the cooldown will not start and you will not just get another one in a year. For example if a new charter was started 4 years ago and never used a single remap they would now have 3 -- note this is less than one per year plus the bonus remap as our christmas present (which would have been 5). Characters who regurally use their remap when its avaialbe will always have had more remaps in their lifetime than characters who let them pool (since the only way to increase the pool is via a rare and unlikly bonus like this year).
Anxiir	Posted - 2010.12.15 23:29:00 - [22] thats exactly the point im trying to make. if your cooldown was to be up soon, say dec 20. you dont actually get a free remap. you only get 5 day sooner remap. So unless you recently used your last remap, or already have 1 or more to use, the "free" remap is not free at all.
Loreth Algamore	Posted - 2010.12.16 01:21:00 - [23] Still better than not getting one. 5 days sooner > nothing.
Anxiir	Posted - 2010.12.16 02:41:00 - [24] Originally by: Loreth Algamore Still better than not getting one. 5 days sooner > nothing. I fail to see how its better than nothing. because it is nothing. Basically if you didn't have a remap available already, you don't get a free remap. Still waiting on a GM response though. Maybe will get lucky and the 'free' remap will stack with the upcoming one.
Ebisou 1st Cavalry Division	Posted - 2010.12.16 04:47:00 - [25] Both my chars have been available to remap for the last few months. I only see one remap, if i'm getting an additional where would I see that?
Baneken Gallente School of the Unseen	Posted - 2010.12.16 05:09:00 - [26] Some one has missed the part where they stated that not all ahve had their 1 free map and will be getting a one in todays DT ? http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Anxiir	Posted - 2010.12.16 15:25:00 - [27] This is starting to get funny. 2 petitions later and I keep getting a generic response that doesn't answer my question lol. Even if we don't get a free remap, I like that the learning skills were removed and the SP reimbursed. I don't mean to make such a big stink about the remap but I just want answers to the question I am asking.
Chuc Morris	Posted - 2010.12.16 15:44:00 - [28] Edited by: Chuc Morris on 16/12/2010 15:45:24 If you use your last/free remap now then the count down starts from now. "my next one was in april" - not any more if you use your free remap now "so if i use the free remap now will i get another one in april, date of my old remap?" No, if you use your free remap now then your count dow starts now. People there's already 2 threads about this in dev's information, take a look. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=3519
Anxiir	Posted - 2010.12.16 16:29:00 - [29] Indeed. I was looking more for an offical statement instead of players stabbing in the dark. But i finally got a response from a GM Quote: Hi there, All players who already used their remaps had their timers reset. I am afraid we can not give you another remap as this change was for all players. Those who did not use their remaps do have an extra one to use, but at the same time, they ultimately also did not use the benefit of their remap. Skill training varies from player to player and we ultimately are giving everyone a benefit, no one is being hindered, just benefiting relatively less than others. Sincerely, GM Syndemic EVE Online Customer Support
Korenti Rels	Posted - 2010.12.16 21:18:00 - [30] Originally by: Anxiir Quote: Skill training varies from player to player and we ultimately are giving everyone a benefit, no one is being hindered, just benefiting relatively less than others. I think you are not allowed to post GM responses. A moderator will delete it (and maybe also delete the small quotation from this post). In any case, that response is either wrong or ridicule. It is wrong because in some specific cases available information from CCP pushed people toward decisions that turned out to be very very bad. Case in point: some old characters that had never remapped, acting on available information (learnings removal with SP reimbursement, either no extra remap or an equal number of extra remaps to all the characters) ended up remapping for the first time 2 or 3 weeks ago. This turns out to be very bad because CCP actually gave 1 remap to everybody but 2 remaps to old characters that never remapped. In this sense they have been hurt, severely. It is ridicule because for "benefiting relatively less than others" to be correct it must be taken literally: some people did not benefit at all (think those that had a remap cooldown ending in a few days). Yes, sure, they were "not hindered". They actually "benefiting relatively less than others". As in they could remap one or two days earlier than expected, while others got up to two extra remaps (and I have unconfirmed rumors that someone got 3: one on wednesday that they immediately used, then 2 more on thursday). Totally ridicule. - Firstly, planet VI in FD-MLJ will be nuked from orbit (after all, it is the only way to be sure) and all existing infrastructure will be gone. -- CCP Nimbus



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