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Whitehound
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Posted - 2010.12.16 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 16/12/2010 12:30:35
 Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
ITT: The small childs handfull of players who actually trained every single learning skill to 5 and now train a teensy bit slower even though the sp refund put them waaaaaaaay back in the lead are annoyed.
Good. 
better yet:
ITT: maxed learning people discover after several posts saying the same thing over and over again, that they now are learning 72sp/hour slower and throw a tantrum.
I am not throwing a tantrum. I point out the fail.
First do you people want the learning skills removed, because you all want to skill faster, but are not willing to train the necessary learning skills. And now after the change do you mock those who train a little slower.
The game was changed for a bunch of hypocrites.
Now I want to see your faces in the coming times. CCP has got the tool to move all skill points around the way they like. If they change the game for hypocrites then we get to see some very awesome nerfs. I hope you can enjoy all of them as much as you enjoyed the removal of the learning skills.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2010.12.16 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Whitehound
First do you people want the learning skills removed, because you all want to skill faster, but are not willing to train the necessary learning skills. And now after the change do you mock those who train a little slower.
My 2 day old alt is skilling at 2790SP/h, once the Cerebral booster runs out in 33 days she will be so far ahead of you and your slowmotion learning speed that she might have problems spotting you in the mirror on the SP highway.
Are you just happy to see me writing on the forum?
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2010.12.16 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Whitehound
First do you people want the learning skills removed, because you all want to skill faster, but are not willing to train the necessary learning skills.
This is, of course, incorrect, but you know this already.
Stop posting, troll. You are so dumb ... Does one always need to throw you a bone before you start thinking?
Why did the players not want to train these skills? Because it was obvious that if you wanted to skill faster you had to train them. This is why they wanted them removed. If they did not want to train faster then they would not have a problem with the learning skills in the first place.
I really do not know where you always pull your arguments from.
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No. They are mocking the whiners, per the usual EVE tradition. In this case, in particular, they're mocking those who whine over a vast improvement that left pretty much everyone in a better place than where they were before.
And, no, it is not in the tradition of EVE to be a hypocrite. Where do you just always ...
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2010.12.16 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 16/12/2010 17:36:16
@Caldariftw123: All you are saying is that you did not get it in all this time. Moving on ...
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
This isn't true. A lot of people who actually had them maxed out still wanted them removed. And CCPs main argument has always been the new player experience.
It is true. I do not deny that some of the new players had no problems with the learning skills, and that older players would accept a removal if a fair compromise can be found. However, it has got nothing to do with those who demanded a removal, but now mock those who point out having a little less than before.
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The difference between you and me is mainly that I don't regard my skilltraining in relation to others but in relation to the goals I want to achieve. And in that respect we all won.
Then you are either dumb or you are just seeing it wrong, because there will always be players with more and less SPs than you and me. Hopefully do we not get to see another change like this one again so that there will always be a direct relationship between the years played and the skill points one has been rewarded with for playing EVE.
The changes CCP has made is a confession regarding the skill system in general. It has flaws, which I do not think it has, but this is the overall statement of the series of changes made by CCP.
I do not know why players need to be sitting in a battlecruiser within only two weeks time. Next thing we know is they will want to be sitting in battle ships within their first week. Together with those players who want to see capital ships disappear, because they lack the patience for the very long skills, will EVE gradually have less quality players and see a growth of a dumb mass with the attention span of goldfishes.
Of course, this is my view when I write "a dumb mass". I will stay around as long as I can and watch the changes happening. It would not be the first game that I have played to the very last second until the network plugs got pulled. (It gets pretty lonely at the end.)
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.12.16 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Vaedon
... Emphasis mine. ...
You misskilled. This happens in a lot of games. It does not mean that entire groups of skills need to be removed. But now it happened ...
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.12.16 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Good to know that you still see things my way, even though you don't like it.
I would need to be blind to see things your way.
When I just see you on the forum quoting each of my sentences, trying to fight them one by one, do I know that I have won over you entirely.
You continue to be the biggest troll on EVE's forum.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.12.17 02:42:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 17/12/2010 02:42:33
Originally by: Space Pinata
Again:
Spend 2400 of your reallocated SP per day.
You are now training faster than before, for the next six years.
I have already spend time training these skill points, numbnuts. You want to sell them to me again?
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.12.17 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
So i am again going to ask you, but which you refuse to answer every time: If CCP removes all skills you have, but gives you 100M SP in some newly made completely useless skill, are you then happier than now? Then you have more SP, so that is good, right? Especially since you dont seem to grasp the difference between what the little number says and how much SP you actually effectively have.
You will now be ahead of your original training schedule for the next 8 years or something, which part of that is so hard to grasp?
I truly wonder if you are a succesful troll or do you truly not get something this trivial?
It is quite the horror scenario you are drawing there. Getting all skills removed and for something completely useless sounds horrible!! You mean like I would try to log into EVE and suddenly find myself in WoW?
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2010.12.17 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: My Postman
Bah, i¦m not arguing with you on this subject, as you "somehow forgot" to answer, when i did the maths with the numbers of the QEN 1/09 (i think) in another thread, where clearly came out that i (and one or two others in this thread) ARE RIGHT!
Oh? Link? It has been hard to keep track of all the threads, you knową
Originally by: Whitehound
It is quite the horror scenario you are drawing there. Getting all skills removed and for something completely useless sounds horrible!! You mean like I would try to log into EVE and suddenly find myself in WoW?
Nice attempt dodging the questioną How about a simple "yes" or "no"?
I thought it is pretty obvious. You need a direct answer? Let me think again ... all skills removed and replaced by something completely useless ... would I want that .... oh, Tippia. Just GTFO.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.12.17 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 17/12/2010 13:43:01
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Were learning skillpoints useful?
Yes. I could train faster if I planned ahead.
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Or are they more useful redistributed somewhere else?
Not if you had planned ahead.
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Now is that usefulness offset completely by a 72sp/hr loss to the point where it's unbearable for you?
It is only a game. There is nothing unbearable about it. I just like it when a game challenges me to plan ahead. Do you know the story about the ant and the grasshopper? It is always a good thing to make players plan ahead in a game.
Btw, not only do I now train a little bit slower, but CCP still owes me the ISKs for the skill books.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2010.12.17 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
ąand you still can, even when they're gone. So that's not much of a reason to keep them around, and more importantly: since the functionality they were supposed to add is still around after they're gone, it's quite obvious that this functionality was not tied to the learning skills. Their supposed usefulness is entirely replaceable.
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Btw, not only do I now train a little bit slower, but CCP still owes me the ISKs for the skill books.
No they don't, because you got exactly what you paid for. You can have that ISK back if you're willing to give back the goodsą Are you?
The skills are gone and even if I can plan ahead with other things is it a loss and it is certainly not a reason the remove them. More importantly, CCP could have given us the extra attributes and left the learning skills untouched.
CCP then took the skills out. What is there to give back when it is was taken from us? Please, if I can have my ISKs back then pay up, Tippia. I doubt you will pay me. It was not your decision after all, but CCP's.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2010.12.17 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Sure I will. You have lost ~3% training speed. This equates to about one and a half level of Learning. So I'll give you 30% the cost of the Learning skillbook ł 10,500 ISK ł as soon as I get back into the game.
I will ignore the rest of your comment and take the ISKs. Thank you.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2010.12.20 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: My Postman
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1423789
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2010.12.21 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Snowmann
Relative to in-game items they were compeletely useless. They served no purpose beyond how fast one trained skills.
Relative to this discussion are your arguments completely useless. They serve no purpose beyond trolling.
Amidoinitrite?
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