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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.12.15 16:56:00 -
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i went from 32.9 perception with 10% from Learning and +5's to 32.0. Kind of annoying
I realize its not the end of the world but it would be nice if CCP had listened to the CSM and not penalized us during this change over process
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.12.15 16:58:00 -
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Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2010.12.15 16:58:00 -
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At most you will lose out on 52k sp a month... 52k sp... How petty can you be man..
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SkinSin
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Posted - 2010.12.15 17:01:00 -
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Here's something novel... what you could do, is save all your regained SP, and then every month put 52K sp onto the skill you are training. Your training will then keep up with what you planned. Or you could just put it all on the first 5 skills in your plan and get ahead of your skill plan...
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Ultim8Evil
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.12.15 17:02:00 -
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CRY MOAR MY POS NEEDZ FUEL!
I intend to copy-paste this in every cheese and whine thread about todays patch.
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Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
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Posted - 2010.12.15 17:03:00 -
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I think its fine. Also makes the attribute points "prettier" behind the scene.
Even tho I will lack those dreaded 52K SP? per month? Lol....lets not walk in too small shoes :)
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Rumple Fourskin
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Posted - 2010.12.15 17:09:00 -
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something is messed up. My base attributes are all 17 on 2 accounts. In the FAQ for this change they stated the new base would be 20/20/20/20/19. I made a post in skill discussion about this. Please confirm if you are at 17 base across the board and post in there.
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Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
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Posted - 2010.12.15 17:13:00 -
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17 is the base. So nothing wrong.
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NosWaffle
Nostradamus Effect
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Posted - 2010.12.15 17:28:00 -
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.12.15 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: Berikath on 15/12/2010 17:32:06
Originally by: Jason1138
i went from 32.9 perception with 10% from Learning and +5's to 32.0. Kind of annoying
I realize its not the end of the world but it would be nice if CCP had listened to the CSM and not penalized us during this change over process
No you didn't.
You either went from 31.9 to 32 or 33 to 32 if you had learning V.
29 base points + 2.9 (10%) = 31.9
30 base points + 3 (10%) = 33
Originally by: Rumple Fourskin
something is messed up. My base attributes are all 17 on 2 accounts. In the FAQ for this change they stated the new base would be 20/20/20/20/19. I made a post in skill discussion about this. Please confirm if you are at 17 base across the board and post in there.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Q: How does this affect my attributes?
A: After the change you will be given 12 attribute points in each attribute. This means the default attributes will be 20/20/20/20/19 with Charisma being the 19.
"Default" does not equal "base". Base attributes are 17. Default (aka, even distribution that a new character gets) works out to 20.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.12.15 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jason1138
i went from 32.9 perception with 10% from Learning and +5's to 32.0. Kind of annoying
I realize its not the end of the world but it would be nice if CCP had listened to the CSM and not penalized us during this change over process
Man that loss of 72 SP/hour is going to sting in 8 years time after you've exhausted the free SP you got. I feel your pain bro.
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Doppleganger
Minmatar
Band of Builders Inc.
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.12.15 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Durzel
Man that loss of 72 SP/hour is going to sting in 8 years time after you've exhausted the free SP you got. I feel your pain bro.
8 yrs isn't out of the realm of possibility many of us have already been playing for 7.5 yrs +
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Ultim8Evil
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.12.15 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Doppleganger
Originally by: Durzel
Man that loss of 72 SP/hour is going to sting in 8 years time after you've exhausted the free SP you got. I feel your pain bro.
8 yrs isn't out of the realm of possibility many of us have already been playing for 7.5 yrs +
So on that topic, if you think back to all those times before the skill queue where you missed a few minutes of training here and there because a skill had ended, do you feel the need to cut yourself and whine on the forums?
No, thought not.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2010.12.15 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Doppleganger
Originally by: Durzel
Man that loss of 72 SP/hour is going to sting in 8 years time after you've exhausted the free SP you got. I feel your pain bro.
8 yrs isn't out of the realm of possibility many of us have already been playing for 7.5 yrs +
You'd have to be playing for more than the same amount of time again, train 100% within your remap and with +5s for that entire time, for the ENTIRE TIME, and never once not ONCE let your training slip, train things out of your attribute spec or have some RL issue that stops you playing (you know, like marriage, kids, lack of job, new job, moving house, etc.etc. all those things that people often do within an 8year span of their lives) - and if you don't do all of this then you will extend that time even longer.
ANYONE whining about this is wrong. They are just simply wrong to whine, there's no justification whatsoever. It's absurd.
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Doppleganger
Minmatar
Band of Builders Inc.
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.12.15 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ultim8Evil
So on that topic, if you think back to all those times before the skill queue where you missed a few minutes of training here and there because a skill had ended, do you feel the need to cut yourself and whine on the forums?
No, thought not.
Nope cause over all that time I figured it up once and tops I missed around 6 hrs of time in all those yrs.
Just because I have played for 7.5 yrs and might play for another 8 yrs you take that as a whine?
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2010.12.15 18:05:00 -
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ITT: The small childs handfull of players who actually trained every single learning skill to 5 and now train a teensy bit slower even though the sp refund put them waaaaaaaay back in the lead are annoyed.
Good. 
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.12.15 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jason1138
i went from 32.9 perception with 10% from Learning and +5's to 32.0. Kind of annoying
I realize its not the end of the world but it would be nice if CCP had listened to the CSM and not penalized us during this change over process
sux to be you
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.12.15 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
ITT: The small childs handfull of players who actually trained every single learning skill to 5 and now train a teensy bit slower even though the sp refund put them waaaaaaaay back in the lead are annoyed.
Good.
better yet:
ITT: maxed learning people discover after several posts saying the same thing over and over again, that they now are learning 72sp/hour slower and throw a tantrum.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2010.12.15 18:34:00 -
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dude, in 8 years time,*when this nerf hits you* they will most likely completely had changed the way sp and attributes work.
So who cares.
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Tetragamatron Omega
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Posted - 2010.12.15 18:35:00 -
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If you only care about sp/hour it means you are a carebear. Can't imagine how much sp I've missed out on by pvping 90% of the my game time in low end implants.
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Harotak
Method of Destruction
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Posted - 2010.12.15 18:38:00 -
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It will take EIGHT YEARS before the -52k sp per month you are losing will catch up to the free 5m sp you just received for max learning skills.
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.15 18:42:00 -
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4 of my 5 accounts are -72 SP/hr. Who cares? I'd be happy if they capped training at 2000 SP/hr so that my existing SP would become even MORE valuable.
The 5.37M SP giveaway was an idiotic idea. The mini-nerf to max training speed is an irrelevant distraction.
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PsychoBabe
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Posted - 2010.12.15 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tetragamatron Omega
If you only care about sp/hour it means you are a carebear. Can't imagine how much sp I've missed out on by pvping 90% of the my game time in low end implants.
Since you made this post with an alt I figured I would do the same... unless you consider this your pvp char Tetragamatron Omega that has 0 kills and 1 loss.
I use to pvp with low lvl implants until I figured out how cheap +5s are and realized there was no reason to not pvp in them. Only reason to get out of the +5s to pvp is to get into a set of slave or crystal implants.
Saying "If you only care about sp/hour it means you are a carebear." is not true as plenty of pvpers use +5s and to not use them just means someone is isk challenged.
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Alhambra Rainwalker
Caldari
Rosa Alba
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.15 18:58:00 -
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If you actually play for 15 years I really don`t think you need to train anything anymore. CCP might introduce something for "supervets" but really, you have all bases covered x 2 by that time.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.12.15 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Alhambra Rainwalker
If you actually play for 15 years I really don`t think you need to train anything anymore. CCP might introduce something for "supervets" but really, you have all bases covered x 2 by that time.
Oh no, to keep people interested they'll keep adding more stuff. HACs will be the new cruisers, carriers and supercarriers the new battleships, titans the new carriers, and something else the new supercarrier/titan.
Then, once some people have these new toys, they'll increase the learning speeds (remove implants and give everyone a boost?) because they've made even more content irrelevant, so that everyone can get them faster.
Then, to keep people interested...
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.12.15 19:03:00 -
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"Man that loss of 72 SP/hour is going to sting in 8 years time after you've exhausted the free SP you got."
I already trained the "free" sp i just got. I'm not getting anything. I'm losing SP/hour
as i said, its not the end of the world but its sort of irritating
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Clolo
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2010.12.15 19:14:00 -
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Those people who are saying people should stop whining because they're getting a free 5m SP are probably the same people who think that if you mine your own minerals you always get a larger profit from things you make.
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Frito11
Eve Defence Force
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.12.15 19:21:00 -
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so basically your complaining because you wasted ~6 million SP training up your learnings to the max even though doing so would have took ~6+ years to makeup for having spent so much time training it when you could have just trained something else.
you've been rewarded by CCP by them allowing us to put this wasted SP into places that matter in the game. the vast majority of players in eve do not have maxed learning skills, most people stopped training them around 1-2 million SP because of diminishing returns.
the players that got a real buff in this are chars like mine that we made as newbs unknowing how to best make a char for skill training and had too many base Charisma points and not enough of the others. after this patch my char went from 27 perception to 31 with +4's in. this was impossible for me to achieve before the change even if i maxed my learning skills it would have only been 28
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Green-Core
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.12.15 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Doppleganger
Originally by: Durzel
Man that loss of 72 SP/hour is going to sting in 8 years time after you've exhausted the free SP you got. I feel your pain bro.
8 yrs isn't out of the realm of possibility many of us have already been playing for 7.5 yrs +
So in 8 years you can officially ***** and moan about it. Until then, STFU.
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Zverofaust
Gallente
Locus Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.15 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Zverofaust on 15/12/2010 19:37:11
From what I remember it will take several years of constant training before the amount of SP you've "lost" due to this change catches up with the amount of SP reimbursement you just received. In short, you won't actually experience this "loss in training time" until 2017 (or whatever it is).
Deal with it.
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