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Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.12.16 03:25:00 - [1] Hello fellow ships and mods fans. I just spent a good chunk of my learning sp refund to max out a tengu on my caldari mission alt and wanted to start doing wormholes with it just for something different to do. Now I have searched and searched and all I could come up with were some level 4 fits and a bunch of talk about tengu's soloing up to c4 but alas have seen no fits. Could someone be generous and supply a few if possible? Assume max relevant support skills for tanking, dps, scanning and hacking. Thanks!
DrEmperor Anonemoose	Posted - 2010.12.16 04:57:00 - [2] While there may be fits that can currently run through C4 Sleeper Sites I'd be incredibly wary of attempting to use these fits after the patch coming January or so, especially if said fit is an Active Tank fit. I say this, of course, due to the change in mechanics for Sleeper Nos/Neut towards pilots and the capacitor of a Tengu is already pretty damn lackluster. If you're set on looking for a C4 Solo fit for a Tengu I'd recommend some sort of Passive Tank of some ridiculous nature or another.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.12.16 05:03:00 - [3] Well up to a c4 would be nice but I would be happy with a c3 capable fit if thats in the comfort range of a tengu. Its more for just something new to do than efficient isk generation though nothing wrong with making more isk of course. I would probably have a cloaked probing prowler and an orca too so running a site then changing fits for hacking and salvaging would also be possible.
Drakhar M'zan Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.16 05:04:00 - [4] Im gonna go ahead and say no. While it may be possible to survive the incoming dps. A single tengu would be hard pressed to over come the RRing sleepers cruisers/BS's. Even 2 tengus is pushin it. If you have every skill at 5 and full deadspace fittings....maybe. But honestly for a c4 , with no effect, 3 solid tengu pilots is about what ur gonna need. Solo C3? sure, but it'll take awhile.
DrEmperor Anonemoose	Posted - 2010.12.16 05:12:00 - [5] Edited by: DrEmperor Anonemoose on 16/12/2010 05:12:55 In that case, and if you're not too troubled by going back and forth to change out your fitting for hacking/analyzing/salvaging then here's a fit that I plan to use relatively soon post-Nos/Neut changes. [Tengu, Pithum-C Med] Caldari Navy Ballistics Control System Caldari Navy Ballistics Control System Caldari Navy Ballistics Control System Damage Control II Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Invulnerability Field II Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I With this fit you've got a 905 DPS shield tank, 34k EHP, 670 DPS, 2646 Volley, and your cap should last about sixteen minutes. The booster should restore about one-third of your capacitor and should bat away any worries from Nos/Neuting. A PG4 implant may be required to fit this, even at Level V. EDIT: There should only be two Medium CCC's, not three!
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.12.16 05:15:00 - [6] Edited by: Zhim''Fufu on 16/12/2010 05:16:57 Well can't fit the pg4 as the tengu pilot has a full hg crystal set. Hmm, what about with a max skilled scimitar pilot as backup in the site as my prowler pilot is also max skilled at logisics too. Or can you get a scimi to tank sleepers when they switch to it?
Professor Villinghopper	Posted - 2010.12.16 06:02:00 - [7] Originally by: Drakhar M'zan Im gonna go ahead and say no. While it may be possible to survive the incoming dps. A single tengu would be hard pressed to over come the RRing sleepers cruisers/BS's. Even 2 tengus is pushin it. If you have every skill at 5 and full deadspace fittings....maybe. But honestly for a c4 , with no effect, 3 solid tengu pilots is about what ur gonna need. Solo C3? sure, but it'll take awhile. Tengu can Solo up to many Class 5 sites. So yes, it can solo C4s and 3's just fine. And no, it does not have too hard of a time overcoming the RR unless you have bad missile supports and/or forgot about Rigors/Target Painters(hint: That lets you use FURY on the sleeper cruisers). For C3, I tend to roll a dual small booster setup(Deadspace), and for C4's/C5's you kinda have to break out the expensive medium deadspace booster. Spill for some Navy Ballistic Controls to give yourself fitting room and the extra damage is nice too. Tengu is a beast of a ship. If you want fittings, just browse battleclinic loadouts. Some of the fits there work as advertised.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.12.16 06:19:00 - [8] Edited by: Zhim''Fufu on 16/12/2010 06:22:22 Hmm this fits with nearly the same stats as the one posted above but can move about and is cap stable at 50%. Reps a bit less at 765dps omni so is that good enough with the speed to mitigate enough incoming damage and stay out of range of the new sleeper nos/neuts? [Tengu, New Setup 1] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Power Diagnostic System II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Edit or this one that is stable at 50% and reps 978dps omni. [Tengu, New Setup 1] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Power Diagnostic System II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Hambonie Caldari Mensa.	Posted - 2010.12.16 06:26:00 - [9] I live in a C4 with no effects I tried using a solo Tengu with a Gist C-Large Booster and LG crystal set. It tanked in the sites fine problem like said above is the DPS. You will not have enough to break all the RR chains. Go with at least 2 RR Tengu and you can break the C4 sites just fine takes me about 35 min for each one. 88/93/90/87 RR is 1211 Tank 427 DPS 1937 Alpha Cap stable at 50% [Tengu, WH RR] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Capacitor Power Relay II Internal Force Field Array I Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Photon Scattering Field II Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.12.16 08:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Hambonie I live in a C4 with no effects I tried using a solo Tengu with a Gist C-Large Booster and LG crystal set. It tanked in the sites fine problem like said above is the DPS. You will not have enough to break all the RR chains. Go with at least 2 RR Tengu and you can break the C4 sites just fine takes me about 35 min for each one. Well I suppose I could get one of my other combat alts into a tengu too if I want to easily run c4. How is this fit for two rring tengus? 86.6/92.2/88.4/85.1 rr is 1127 596 dps 2283 alpha cap stable at 35% 661ms 117km lock and 113km range. [Tengu, New Setup 1] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Large Shield Transporter II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Shogun Mayday	Posted - 2010.12.16 09:34:00 - [11] Don't let anyone tell you you cant break the tanks, solo, of the rr ships in a C4. If they say that they don't know what they are doing to get best speed. On BC look up "C4 almost done tengu". 505 dps but all you have to do is draw the smaller rats out from the larger ones to pick them off away from their rr mates. simple. You can turn on everything and let it run in circles around a can at 5k orbit. All their neuts/ nos's dont drop your cap and about 1500 omni tank minnimum will keep you happy and healthy. Warp to the anoms at 100. if thats not enough distance, bm that spot then warp back to that spot at 100. Pull the rats to you so the smaller/ faster ones get to you first and pick them off. work your way up being careful not to pop the spawn triggers. Easy peazy. Speed wise you're looking at 30-45 mins per site max if you are doing them correctly. Flame away all you unbelievers but once you do as said above you will wonder why you ever needed help on these money making sites.
DrEmperor Anonemoose	Posted - 2010.12.16 11:35:00 - [12] This is more of a question in general as opposed to a critique/response on fitting. How prevalent is webbing with in C3/C4 Sleeper Sites? Is it accurate to say that the majority of the time you'll be webbed straight to hell?
Goodluvins	Posted - 2010.12.16 13:12:00 - [13] Do not count on speed tanking anything. You will be webbed to all get-up a majority of the time. Drop the AB. Also, going in with less than 1k+ omni is suicide if you plan to recover from the BS's alpha (especially when there are like 3 (command post) or 4 (mag/radar). 450dps is enough (although low)to get you through the RR, especially if you have proper missile skills. Take the fits already posted and play with those. I have one that gets 2300 omni, 525 dps, 99km range, and is cap stable@47% using only the LG Crystal and no X-type or other extremely expensive mods.
Guylon	Posted - 2010.12.17 09:42:00 - [14] So how much "tank" and "gank" is needed to solo a C4? I have heard you need over 1,500 DPS tank for the C4's but a lot of fits here are just 1,000 DPS tanks. Are these valid fits?
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2010.12.17 13:26:00 - [15] Did you factor in the low grade crystal implant sets most are mentioning?
Guylon	Posted - 2010.12.17 19:50:00 - [16] I haven't factored in the LG-Crystal. I am just wondering in general ship fits. What is the needed average tank/gank for C4's?


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