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YuuKnow
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Posted - 2012.08.13 00:50:00 -
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What would happen if Null Sec's local were removed and made like WH space?
1. Would it effect the big alliances? Sovereignty?
2. How would it change fleet combat? What fleet combat tatics would change?
3. How would it change small gang/solo combat? Would small gang tatics change?
4. How would it effect hot drops and capital ship combat?
5. Would null sec be more fun or less fun? Would it attract more players or less players?
yk
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Amber Coldheart
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.13 00:52:00 -
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For starters, it would likely make everyone a LOT more paranoid :)
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1263
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Posted - 2012.08.13 00:52:00 -
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Hey a thread about nullsec-with-no-local.
I would definitely have a harder time multiboxing all the ships when I rat, that's for sure.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
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Ensign X
65
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Posted - 2012.08.13 00:53:00 -
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INB4 AFK Cloaker tears flood this thread. |
Alice Saki
2437
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Posted - 2012.08.13 00:53:00 -
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Cloaky Protous
Cloaky Proteus Everywhere
Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Recently Answers to Mei Mei =X
Winner of 'Baby ChuChu award' :P
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Regan Rotineque
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.08.13 00:59:00 -
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Well for one we would not have any more threads pondering this dead horse......
Instead we would have threads asking to put local back.....
~R~ |
Tarn Kugisa
M.I.A.C Corporation
101
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:00:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:What would happen if Null Sec's local were removed and made like WH space?
1. Would it effect the big alliances? Sovereignty?
They have the numbers to not care
2. How would it change fleet combat? What fleet combat tatics would change?
Mainly fast detection of incoming threats
3. How would it change small gang/solo combat? Would small gang tatics change?
Probably would be hard to find fights reliably
4. How would it effect hot drops and capital ship combat?
Not much, since one involved simply finding something to hotdrop (Structure) and the other involves large fleet battles
5. Would null sec be more fun or less fun? Would it attract more players or less players?
Same amount of players (Camps), less fun(Being paranoid all the time)
yk
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Syler Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
Still Censored
15
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:03:00 -
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Depends if they replace the probing/D-scan system. If not then it will be terrible. The reason WH can get away with it is due to low traffic and non static entry points. |
Jaison Savrin
Dragon's Rage
Ethereal Dawn
16
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:03:00 -
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I would try to talk my corp into just moving into a WH. It'd be safer. |
Red Teufel
Blackened Skies
The Unthinkables
66
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:06:00 -
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delay local 30 min |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
376
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:12:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Hey a thread about nullsec-with-no-local.
I haven't been this bored since .............. welll, ya know.............you DO remember I hope...
I am NOT YOUNG-áENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.
-á~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
515
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:13:00 -
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We would all drown in Nullbear tears, with them telling us how they lost the ability to run away at the first sign of a non-blue.
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
206
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:15:00 -
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They could look at potentially having w-space local in 0.0 until sov is claimed and upgraded to level 1 or 2...
It would give alliances who want local the option of having it work and those who don't will simply not bother installing the upgrade. Would be interesting to see which kind of 0.0 would thrive best. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
376
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:16:00 -
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WHY.......so SERIOUS ???
I am NOT YOUNG-áENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.
-á~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Irya Boone
Escadron leader
35
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:18:00 -
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Hummm same thing as usual maybe !!!
Whormoles are working as Intended .. so don't Touch my Hole CCP !!!
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4307
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:23:00 -
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Nullsecers would simply move PvE alts to hisec to run incursions (which are risk-free and provide similar levels of income to nullsec.) Nothing else would change, short of nullsec being largely quiet when nobody is forming up for a big timer.
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
327
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:46:00 -
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Andski wrote:Nullsecers would simply move PvE alts to hisec to run incursions (which are risk-free and provide similar levels of income to nullsec.) Nothing else would change, short of nullsec being largely quiet when nobody is forming up for a big timer.
"Risk- free"?
Were you able to keep a straight face when you typed that? I shouldn't need to remind you that EVE has risk involved every time you hit the undock button. |
Russell Casey
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
183
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:53:00 -
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People would rat in destroyer gangs and actually learn to use D-scans, cloaks, and safespots. Or what's left of the PvE out there would die while the number of null alts farming in empire would shoot through the roof. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4307
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:55:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:Andski wrote:Nullsecers would simply move PvE alts to hisec to run incursions (which are risk-free and provide similar levels of income to nullsec.) Nothing else would change, short of nullsec being largely quiet when nobody is forming up for a big timer. "Risk- free"? Were you able to keep a straight face when you typed that? I shouldn't need to remind you that EVE has risk involved every time you hit the undock button.
yeah uh nobody can say with a straight face that there is any significant risk involved in hisec incursion running
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
203
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:56:00 -
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Russell Casey wrote:People ... actually learn to use D-scans
Cloaked ships do not show up on the directional scanner. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1264
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Posted - 2012.08.13 02:08:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:Russell Casey wrote:People ... actually learn to use D-scans Cloaked ships do not show up on the directional scanner.
^____^
Cloaky gank time, eh.
Russell Casey wrote:Or what's left of the PvE out there would die while the number of null alts farming in empire would shoot through the roof. Nullsec would be a lot like lowsec at that point, with players saying, "yeah, in the old days people would do plexes, rat, and mine here."
Hmm, mission accomplished then.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
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Lilianna Star
State War Academy
Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2012.08.13 02:08:00 -
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Regan Rotineque wrote:Well for one we would not have any more threads pondering this dead horse......
Instead we would have threads asking to put local back.....
~R~
The funny thing is that if the way local works as a detection method was added after the Trinity expansion then people would call everyone who likes it a carebear.
To be honest, I hate the way local works. Oh, it HAS notably saved my bacon. But at the same time, this goes a way towards preventing PvP and limiting certain tactics from being used. |
James 315
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
2324
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Posted - 2012.08.13 02:12:00 -
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Local's always kinda gone both ways. On the one hand, it alerts carebears to threats; on the other hand, it helps threats find and/or ambush carebears. Probably leans toward helping carebears/bots, but I'm too used to having local to know what to do without it. 
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Toshiroma McDiesel
Lupus Draconis
Dragehund
32
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Posted - 2012.08.13 02:12:00 -
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Amber Coldheart wrote:For starters, it would likely make everyone a LOT more paranoid :)
You have no idea how much fun being paranoid all the time can be 
(yes, I am serious)
The Valdspar is Holy, it must be allowed to float free. Free of lesser rocks that try to clutter it's Holy Path though the Heavens. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1264
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Posted - 2012.08.13 02:12:00 -
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One day some random miner or L4 mission runner will be able to stand up and say:
CCP's 0.0 dream is over.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
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Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
327
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Posted - 2012.08.13 02:15:00 -
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Andski wrote:yeah uh nobody can say with a straight face that there is any significant risk involved in hisec incursion running
Well, you did say "risk-free" which is a far cry from "any significant risk" which is a lot more accurate but still not quite true. For various and oft-times self-imposed reasons (Logi DCs, incompetent FC, wild Blackbirds appear, EVE University sponsored fleet), highsec incursion runners manage to put themselves at significant risk every time they undock. The numbers don't lie. The risks they take may not be proportional to the income they earn but it's hardly "risk-free".  |
Russell Casey
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
183
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Posted - 2012.08.13 02:17:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:One day some random miner or L4 mission runner will be able to stand up and say:
CCP's 0.0 dream is over.
Haven't they been saying that for years? Or do you mean a random miner/L4 runner who's not a null alt? |
Abel Merkabah
The Executioners
Capital Punishment.
97
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Posted - 2012.08.13 02:18:00 -
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I have to imagine the players would adapt and develop tactics to both protect themselves and take advantage of it. Scouting would be more involved that is for sure. Ambushes would be more common.
I really need to try W-Space sometime because it seems very interesting.
People focus on the threats and how local cannot be used defensively, but the reverse is true, roaming gangs would not be able to know from local if anyone is in system; so offensively local would not work too. I think after a period of time, it would balance would be established with new tactics and business goes on as usual.
Oh yeah, barring gate camps, moving through systems would be safer IMO, no one sees you enter and until you are probed or scanned, no one knows you are there. I think bouncing off of celestials before approaching a gate would be much more common.
"The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1264
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Posted - 2012.08.13 02:21:00 -
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Russell Casey wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:One day some random miner or L4 mission runner will be able to stand up and say:
CCP's 0.0 dream is over. Haven't they been saying that for years? Or do you mean a random miner/L4 runner who's not a null alt?
Yeah, well most of null is generally empty, except for the renters, I believe.
So it's sort of already very far from the CCP vision.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
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Abel Merkabah
The Executioners
Capital Punishment.
97
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Posted - 2012.08.13 02:27:00 -
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Oh yeah, and if it forces people to start bouncing off celestials before approachIng gates more often, campers will start camping them, forcing travelers to bounce off something sooner. It could very well encourage combat through out more of the system instead of being focused on the gates, even for intercepting normal travelers.
Correct me if I've made some incorrect assumptions in my posts.
"The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |
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