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Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
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Posted - 2012.08.13 06:26:00 -
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Ghost-Recon wrote:Notice that every single Goon that post lobbies hard against the removal of local? Lobbying pretty hard to the point it looks like they are actually threatened by the idea. I'ld support removing local just for that reason.
I'm also surprised that people who live in nullsec would oppose an idea that would obviously break nullsec, and which is only supported by
1. WH dwellers who think that their private server is a lot like nullsec - only more hardcore.
2. People who naively anticipate that they'll be able to invade nullsec and carebear for a bit after it's broken.
3. People who think that "spam dscan" is a replacement for local.
4. Out-and-out idiots.
There's a lot of overlap between #1, #3, and #4. |
Leisen
The Empire of Libria
43
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Posted - 2012.08.13 06:27:00 -
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Good things. |
Luis Graca
138
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Posted - 2012.08.13 06:29:00 -
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If 0.0 didn't had a local everyone would move to WH since it's more profitable |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1264
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Posted - 2012.08.13 06:29:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:Ghost-Recon wrote:Notice that every single Goon that post lobbies hard against the removal of local? Lobbying pretty hard to the point it looks like they are actually threatened by the idea. I'ld support removing local just for that reason. I'm also surprised that people who live in nullsec would oppose an idea that would obviously break nullsec, and which is only supported by 1. WH dwellers who think that their private server is a lot like nullsec - only more hardcore. 2. People who naively anticipate that they'll be able to invade nullsec and carebear for a bit after it's broken. 3. People who think that "spam dscan" is a replacement for local. 4. Out-and-out idiots. There's a lot of overlap between #1, #3, and #4. *shrug*
Let em break it, I think a lot of nullsec "dwellers" make money in highsec, we might as well all openly shift to a model where you make money, manufacture and whatever else in highsec and then use your nullsec alts to play around there because moons feed the alliance and your altcorp L4 mission runner doesn't. Until the moons get nerfed then we'll just all :getout: Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
930
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Posted - 2012.08.13 06:33:00 -
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If local were removed without a reliable, working method of quickly (within a few seconds) after being in a system of finding if there are hostile ships, I'd leave EVE.
PVP would completely suck and so would finding fights/targets.
I strictly play EVE to log in and find fights. Removing local with EVE in it's current state would make it more effort than it'd be worth. As it stands, without decent income for the 'grunt' in null sec, vast swaths of space are already uninhabited because frankly it's just not worth living there. By adding more 'risk' to it, you'd find even more of a ghost town, less targets to shoot and those fewer targets would be harder to find.
IF they change anything with local right now, it should only show you after you've decloaked from a gate camp. Lore wise, the gate scanner doesn't pick you up until you've entered the new system. Theoretically, you're not actually 'in' the system until you break your initial gate cloak.
A list of fixes for the new inventory
Dual Pane idea clicky |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
638
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Posted - 2012.08.13 06:36:00 -
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I would fly my bomber to nullsec and try to get a kill. |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
203
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Posted - 2012.08.13 06:43:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:I would fly my bomber to nullsec and try to get a kill.
That's a good start. It's the exact same start I had. But if you don't stop with that, you'll soon get to what's so bad about removing local. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
515
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Posted - 2012.08.13 06:56:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:I would fly my bomber to nullsec and try to get a kill. That's a good start. It's the exact same start I had. But if you don't stop with that, you'll soon get to what's so bad about removing local. Yeah Null sec people have no balls. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
583
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Posted - 2012.08.13 07:06:00 -
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Wrong thread, derpishness Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Dr Shameless
No. 310 Fighter Squadron
4
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Posted - 2012.08.13 07:10:00 -
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If you remove local, you remove the community. People will stop talking to each other when passing through systems and Eve will become a lonely and boring place. |
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Lord Zim
1132
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Posted - 2012.08.13 07:13:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:Lord Zim wrote:It'd make L4s more popular than it already is, and depopulate nullsec even further than it already is. Thank you for the responses. Care to elaborate on why you think this would be the case? yk You know perfectly well why.
Here's a hint: It'd be an exasperation of why nullsec is as depopulated on a day to day basis as it is already, today. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4309
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Posted - 2012.08.13 08:40:00 -
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Ghost-Recon wrote:Notice that every single Goon that post lobbies hard against the removal of local? Lobbying pretty hard to the point it looks like they are actually threatened by the idea. I'ld support removing local just for that reason.
the support for the idea comes from npc alts
hmm "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Pilna Vcelka
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.13 08:46:00 -
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ITT: uberleet nullbears begging for 0.0 not becoming "less safe" because then they wouldnt be able to make buckloads of ISK semi-afk while posting bullsh*t on the forums about high-sec being too safe.
What you see happening in this thread, ladies and gentlemen, is 0.0 residents openly saying they want 0.0 space to remain a safe blue ocean of ISK floating freely around. So much for 0.0 leetness, ROFL! |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
515
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Posted - 2012.08.13 08:47:00 -
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Well there is this thread that covers removing local
92 likes atm as well https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=110995 Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4309
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Posted - 2012.08.13 08:49:00 -
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92 likes from NPC alts (and honorary NPC alts) doesn't mean it's a good idea "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Florestan Bronstein
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
554
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Posted - 2012.08.13 08:51:00 -
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I'd like to see how removal of local (put it into "recent speakers" mode) and an immediate Constellation chat would work out, I think it might be a good compromise.
Do I get to be a honorary NPC alt now? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4309
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Posted - 2012.08.13 08:54:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:I'd like to see how removal of local (put it into "recent speakers" mode) and an immediate Constellation chat would work out, I think it might be a good compromise.
Do I get to be a honorary NPC alt now?
we've wargamed it
it won't bring any easy ratter KMs because nobody will actually 'live' in nullsec "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Lord Zim
1132
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Posted - 2012.08.13 08:56:00 -
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Pilna Vcelka wrote:ITT: uberleet nullbears begging for 0.0 not becoming "less safe" Point out a single post begging for anything.
Pilna Vcelka wrote:because then they wouldnt be able to make buckloads of ISK semi-afk while posting bullsh*t on the forums about high-sec being too safe. Nope.
Pilna Vcelka wrote:What you see happening in this thread, ladies and gentlemen, is 0.0 residents openly saying they want 0.0 space to remain a safe ocean of ISK floating freely around. So much for 0.0 leetness, ROFL! Nice strawman. Want a light?
Florestan Bronstein wrote:I'd like to see how removal of local (put it into "recent speakers" mode) and an immediate Constellation chat would work out. More or less the same thing would happen as if local was removed completely; gankers still wouldn't be able to get more juicy ratter/miner killmails because nullsec'll be even less populated than before, for reasons which should be blindingly obvious. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4309
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Posted - 2012.08.13 09:00:00 -
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Pilna Vcelka wrote:ITT: uberleet nullbears begging for 0.0 not becoming "less safe" because then they wouldnt be able to make buckloads of ISK semi-afk while posting bullsh*t on the forums about high-sec being too safe.
tell me more about how local allows you to do things AFK
do you know what local is??? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Florestan Bronstein
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
554
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Posted - 2012.08.13 09:02:00 -
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Andski wrote:we've wargamed it
it won't bring any easy ratter KMs because nobody will actually 'live' in nullsec my thoughts are that it would put more emphasis on good scouting on roams and also give you a hint whether venturing a few steps off your path to fight a find might be worthwhile or not.
As a ratter you would still know that cloakies are around, they still have to decloak when changing systems and you could look for them with locator agents if your intel channels have lost track of them. |
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Lord Zim
1132
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Posted - 2012.08.13 09:03:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:Andski wrote:we've wargamed it
it won't bring any easy ratter KMs because nobody will actually 'live' in nullsec my thoughts are that it would put more emphasis on good scouting on roams and also give you a hint whether venturing a few steps off your path to fight a find might be worthwhile or not. As a ratter you would still know that cloakies are around, they still have to decloak when changing systems and you could look for them with locator agents if your intel channels have lost track of them. Or you could just move back to hisec and semi-afk L4s in perfect safety (unless you're a complete muppet and fit billion isk modules to your **** ride) or mostly-afk mine in a mackinaw. Or move to WHs and actually get a reward for having more risk. vOv |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
159
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Posted - 2012.08.13 09:03:00 -
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Dr Shameless wrote:If you remove local, you remove the community. People will stop talking to each other when passing through systems and Eve will become a lonely and boring place.
Erm when people say remove Local it's to remove instant player in system list intel, not chatting. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
515
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Posted - 2012.08.13 09:05:00 -
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Andski wrote:92 likes from NPC alts (and honorary NPC alts) doesn't mean it's a good idea Amazing how you have the ability to detect where a thread not created by you gets its likes from.
Wow you must have super powers as well..oh sorry your over blown opinion of your self does not count.
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
515
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Posted - 2012.08.13 09:06:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Dr Shameless wrote:If you remove local, you remove the community. People will stop talking to each other when passing through systems and Eve will become a lonely and boring place. Erm when people say remove Local it's to remove instant player in system list intel, not chatting. Shhh don't tell them, they will use any excuse for their free intel. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Florestan Bronstein
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
554
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Posted - 2012.08.13 09:07:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Or you could just move back to hisec and semi-afk L4s in perfect safety (unless you're a complete muppet and fit billion isk modules to your **** ride) or mostly-afk mine in a mackinaw. Or move to WHs and actually get a reward for having more risk. vOv many 0.0 constellations do in my experience not have a single neutral in them most of the time and constellation chat in immediate mode would also alert a ratter to threats as they are still approaching/a few jumps out (reducing the need for intel channels ) giving him much more time to react unless he is at a border system to the next constellation.
I wonder if in a world without local CAs should have to be probed down. |
Lord Zim
1132
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Posted - 2012.08.13 09:12:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:many 0.0 constellations do in my experience not have a single neutral in them most of the time and constellation chat in immediate mode would also alert a ratter to threats as they are still approaching/a few jumps out (reducing the need for intel channels ) giving him much more time to react unless he is at a border system to the next constellation. Many 0.0 constellations do in my experience also have very few chars in them most of the time, to the point where a surprisingly large portion of hisec backwater systems have more in system than entire constellations do in nullsec. |
QT McWhiskers
Hard Knocks Inc.
21
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Posted - 2012.08.13 09:27:00 -
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I honestly dont know why this is so hotly debated. It honestly wont matter one bit if this happens because it will be balanced out by sov. Any system worth ratting in will have sov already and will have the system upgraded with a communication beacon upgrade. (Made up that name, but it would likely be called that)
Then, your master tacticians would choose the perfect systems to not put com beacons in. You would then have cloaky ships watching each gate along a certain route, and a nice gank fleet just a jump bridge away. I honestly see no real downside here.
Another thing is you can take out the com beacon on an enemy system, say with a black ops drop, and then proceed to look for opportunities to kill people in said system.
About the only downside to any of this is having to spend a small amount of money setting up com beacons in systems.
I can tell you right now that most WH residents are not paranoid 24/7. We have alts watching in holes, we have alts in neighbor holes watching dscan for gank fleets as an early warning system. And living in a no local system does not mean you will get ganked easier. WH forces you to be competent. If you cant be competent, then you simply die. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
515
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Posted - 2012.08.13 09:28:00 -
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All CCP need to do is Put local in delayed mode, then say they are trying to figure out how to fix it but due to Dev time constraints they are not sure how long it will take till they get to it.
Null sec dwellers should not complain about a mechanic that is broken and needs fixing if people are profiting by it (By actually having ships sneak into null and blow up Nullbears) Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lord Zim
1132
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Posted - 2012.08.13 09:34:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:All CCP need to do is Put local in delayed mode, then say they are trying to figure out how to fix it but due to Dev time constraints they are not sure how long it will take till they get to it.
Null sec dwellers should not complain about a mechanic that is broken Ahahahahahahahahahaha. Wrong.
Frying Doom wrote:and needs fixing if people are profiting by it (By actually having ships sneak into null and blow up Nullbears) It's cute you would even bother to imply there are enough living in nullsec at this point. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
515
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Posted - 2012.08.13 09:36:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:All CCP need to do is Put local in delayed mode, then say they are trying to figure out how to fix it but due to Dev time constraints they are not sure how long it will take till they get to it.
Null sec dwellers should not complain about a mechanic that is broken Ahahahahahahahahahaha. Wrong. Frying Doom wrote:and needs fixing if people are profiting by it (By actually having ships sneak into null and blow up Nullbears) It's cute you would even bother to imply there are enough living in nullsec at this point. Higher population than WHs and Lo-sec combined.
But I don't see why you would complain about about a broken mechanic (Well more like a stupid idea), when you profited so much off the last one. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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