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Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:57:00 -
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The lack of comprepension of what a plex is is astounding. It is simply game time in a transferable medium. P2W is something from nothing. With plex someone has already put in the hard work for a commodity. They are willing to give up said commodity for game time. Nothing is created only transferred.
I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9037
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:00:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Plex  GǪdoesn't let you buy a titan for real money. It lets you buy game time or AUR for real money.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Peter Raptor
X-Exclusion-X
273
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Plex GǪdoesn't let you buy a titan for real money. It lets you buy game time or AUR for real money.
Ok uhmmm, I buy 200 plex from CCP, I get a gadzillion isk on market after selling the plex, then I buy titan....
I'll be honest, I do feel like I'm talking to miss south carolina here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9037
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:14:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Ok uhmmm, I buy 200 plex from CCP, I get a gadzillion isk on market after selling the plex, then I buy titan.... GǪin other words, you're not buying a titan for real money. You're buying a titan for ISK just like everyone else.
If you find someone who has paid real money forGǪ anything, really, in the game, send off a petition and have them inappropriately probed by Sreegs et al.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Pipa Porto
706
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:19:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Tippia wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Plex GǪdoesn't let you buy a titan for real money. It lets you buy game time or AUR for real money. Ok uhmmm, I buy 200 plex from CCP, I get a gadzillion isk on market after selling the plex, then I buy titan.... I'll be honest, I do feel like I'm talking to miss south carolina here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
Where does the ISK come from? Players.
What do they do with the PLEX? Eventually, Redeem for Game time.
You are, at worst, paying others to grind ISK for you. You are not buying anything with Real Money (besides a subscription, whether you call its PLEX form an option or a futures contract).
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Peter Raptor
X-Exclusion-X
273
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Ok uhmmm, I buy 200 plex from CCP, I get a gadzillion isk on market after selling the plex, then I buy titan.... GǪin other words, you're not buying a titan for real money. You're buying a titan for ISK just like everyone else. If you find someone who has paid real money forGǪ anything, really, in the game, send off a petition and have them inappropriately probed by Sreegs et al.
Unbelievable, Have a nice day, I got more constructive things to do than discuss this, like, watch my lawn grow
Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
42
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:31:00 -
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Beat the cash out of Asia.
Keep the cool game for US / EU etc.
Fine for me. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9039
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:32:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Unbelievable Very believable, actually, since that's how the game works.
Paying real money for in-game stuff is a nice and easy way to not gain any in-game stuff, but rather to lose it all.
The only conceivable way to interpret PLEX as a way to pay real money for stuff is to consider everything in the game as paid for by real money (since you have to pay for your subscription to create it), making every game ever a case of pay-for-stuff (I can't have the Holy Lance in Talisman unless someone bought the game) and thus render the whole concept meaningless and make any kind of distinction impossible.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Suvari Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:33:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Tippia wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Plex GǪdoesn't let you buy a titan for real money. It lets you buy game time or AUR for real money. Ok uhmmm, I buy 200 plex from CCP, I get a gadzillion isk on market after selling the plex, then I buy titan.... I'll be honest, I do feel like I'm talking to miss south carolina here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
I have a beach front property in kansas that i can't afford to maintain, for just 100 plex, you can have it  |
Randomize All
State War Academy
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:34:00 -
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Hah, I'd sell mine for way less than that. |
Cpt Gobla
No Bullshit
Jokers Wild.
50
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:35:00 -
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I'm fairly sure that taking out any 'pay to win' ship, be it a titan or a Vangel will get you hotdropped pretty fast with the only end result being a very, very expensive loss-mail.
So I don't really see it so much as pay to win as pay to lose spectacularly.
With the added 'benefit' that losing something you paid $3000 is bound to hurt so much more than something you paid 150bil isk for. |
Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
605
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:46:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Tippia wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Ok uhmmm, I buy 200 plex from CCP, I get a gadzillion isk on market after selling the plex, then I buy titan.... GǪin other words, you're not buying a titan for real money. You're buying a titan for ISK just like everyone else. If you find someone who has paid real money forGǪ anything, really, in the game, send off a petition and have them inappropriately probed by Sreegs et al. Unbelievable, Have a nice day, I got more constructive things to do than discuss this, like, watch my lawn grow , I really think I'd get more outta that
your stupid character portait fits you well.
while it is in your own universe pay to win, someone is buying plex with isk they made them selves.
so u buy plex, plex sits on market, market must move via player trading, player buys plex with ISK. isk is not being bought as you arent getting an in game advantage, your just being a noob and spending money on a video game item that is redeemable for in game credit.
pay to win is defined as PAYING for an item that makes you WIN.
aka. i pay for a ship that doesnt not explode,
aka2, i pay for a ship that insta warps to your locations and pods you constantly, over and over. (edit: I would actually pay for this one, in gold.)
aka3, paying for a plex and selling it on the market gives no in game advantage besides being able to do multiple things with said item.
also, eat all my typos and enjoy them.
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Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
120
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:47:00 -
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You don't understand the difference between ingame player produced products and CCP spawning something out of thin air?
Amat victoria curam. |
Syler Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
Still Censored
16
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:52:00 -
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They need to do something to make up for the low population. |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
10041
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Posted - 2012.08.13 12:13:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:I'll be honest, I do feel like miss south carolina here You're not the only one thinking that.
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
143
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Posted - 2012.08.13 12:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Plex GǪdoesn't let you buy a titan for real money. It lets you buy game time or AUR for real money.
Sorry I'm with him on this, you have paid real money to CCP which you can then sell in game for currency, which you can then do anything you want with, that's pay to win, whether you paid ccp for the pleasure or an illegal third party, end result is the same real money into isk.
You are splitting hairs on this one.
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
Dread Pirate Pete
Tribal Core
Defiant Legacy
24
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:00:00 -
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Only thing you win when buying stuff with PLEX isk is an expensive loss mail. You'd be better of paying people that irl money to join your corp. |
Calhontor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:12:00 -
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In eve you can Pay 2 Win! FACT!
I have a friend who I tried to get to play eve for years and recently he dicided to give it a go.
However he is a rarther well off and inpatient guy so he bought lots of PLEX sold for isk used isk to buy a 30M SP max tengu character bought HG crystals and full faction gear went out (he had abit of pvp experience in smaller ships and knew the basics) and got 78 kills before he died at which point he quit and left.
Note: He did not rage quit as he actually made alot of isk in l00t he just couldnt be bothered playing anymore.
So yes you can pay to win but most dont bother wasting RL money on a spaceship game in which no amount of SP's or faction gear is a guarantee of sucess. |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid
Iron Oxide.
232
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:36:00 -
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ITT lots of people who don't understand what pay to win is and understand even less about the eve economy ingoing anyone with any intelligence who tries to correct them. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9047
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:16:00 -
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Rats wrote:Sorry I'm with him on this Ok. Can you point me to the part on the account management page where I can buy ISK (or a titan, for that matter)? Can you show me on the right-click menu for a PLEX where I can turn it into a titan?
Quote:you have paid real money to CCP which you can then sell in game for currency No. I have paid for game time. Everything in EVE comes from game time. Without game time, nothing in the game would exist. If you want to call GÇ£playing the gameGÇ¥ a form of GÇ£pay to winGÇ¥, then the term has lost all meaning and offers no differentiator between, say, WoT, EVE, BF:whatever, chess, poker, or hopscotch.
What you're doing when you sell a PLEX is give someone else game time so they can grind ISK for you (or, more accurately, so they can grind ISK for someone else who comes along in a month GÇö they've already done the grinding for you before you came along). What buys you that titan is the same thing as what everyone else uses to get the same thing: ISK and/or minerals gained through the expenditure of game time.
CCP isn't selling you anything other than gametime (and the occasional account service) ever. They most certainly aren't in the business of selling you in-game stuff, because that's not something that the game rules allow. It's really not any more complicated than that: if you pay real money for in-game items or currency, you have just broken the EULA.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Randomize All
State War Academy
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:23:00 -
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Veterans reject your idea of Pay 2 Win because they have adapted to accept the current situation as NOT pay 2 win. They feel that because they are "earning" those skillpoints by paying to play, they have in fact not paid to win, thusly if you buy those skillpoints of THEM and NOT CCP, you are not paying to win either.
We are senior citizens of New Eden, and we like things the way they are, thank you very much. |
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CCP Manifest
C C P
C C P Alliance
467
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:25:00 -
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Saw this question crop up on Twitter from the laudable @Chribba, so I asked some dudes who know more about this sort of thing than I do, since things are done a bit differently on Serenity considering the market (business and consumer).
Here's what they said.
TianCity doesn't sell ships for real world money.
The Vangel will be renamed on Serenity and a high-end Lenovo gaming rig will be given the same name, and the ship will be given out to a few players (in a contest or other fashion GÇô TBD). This is a cross-promotion and again, those ships will not be sold for cash. The new GÇ£VangelGÇ¥ will still be very rare on Serenity. In return we will have some pretty sweet promo opportunities with Lenovo.
Further transparency/clarification!
A couple other giveaways to mention just so that we're all on the same page:
--Gold Magnates were given for free to players that experienced a server issue on Serenity in July. Guess pretty bad server issue
--T1 frigates/destroyers/cruisers have been given out by TianCity to pique interest and hopefully raise the conversion rate. Nothing sold.
Hope this helps!
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CCP Manifest | Public Relations and Social Media | @ccp_manifest |
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Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
614
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:27:00 -
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Randomize All wrote:Veterans reject your idea of Pay 2 Win because they have adapted to accept the current situation as NOT pay 2 win. They feel that because they are "earning" those skillpoints by paying to play, they have in fact not paid to win, thusly if you buy those skillpoints of THEM and NOT CCP, you are not paying to win either.
We are senior citizens of New Eden, and we like things the way they are, thank you very much.
will the real slim shady please stand up
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Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
614
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:28:00 -
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CCP Manifest wrote:Saw this question crop up on Twitter from the laudable @Chribba, so I asked some dudes who know more about this sort of thing than I do, since things are done a bit differently on Serenity considering the market (business and consumer).
Here's what they said.
TianCity doesn't sell ships for real world money.
The Vangel will be renamed on Serenity and a high-end Lenovo gaming rig will be given the same name, and the ship will be given out to a few players (in a contest or other fashion GÇô TBD). This is a cross-promotion and again, those ships will not be sold for cash. The new GÇ£VangelGÇ¥ will still be very rare on Serenity. In return we will have some pretty sweet promo opportunities with Lenovo.
Further transparency/clarification!
A couple other giveaways to mention just so that we're all on the same page:
--Gold Magnates were given for free to players that experienced a server issue on Serenity in July. Guess pretty bad server issue
--T1 frigates/destroyers/cruisers have been given out by TianCity to pique interest and hopefully raise the conversion rate. Nothing sold.
Hope this helps!
Nice clarification.
what was that one site that let you translate something multiple times and it turns out to be nothing like the beginning?
Although that doesn't really hold true here, a promotional item, such as the quafe shirt or whatever.
I don't know how this topic went all pay to win crazy.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
Verge of Collapse
756
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:36:00 -
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Goremageddon Box wrote:
I don't know how this topic went all pay to win crazy.
Peter Raptor attributed to that.
I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies
I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology
Executive Outcomes
433
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:44:00 -
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Is it still in the long term plans to eventually merge with serenity?
Either way, good to know that they're at least renaming the ship.
It needs to be listed separately in the market so the originals retain their AT-only status.
I see this, overall, as no different than our amastris and ultramarine iterons. |
DJ FunkyBacon
Eve Radio Corporation
92
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:57:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:Is it still in the long term plans to eventually merge with serenity?
Either way, good to know that they're at least renaming the ship.
It needs to be listed separately in the market so the originals retain their AT-only status.
I see this, overall, as no different than our amastris and ultramarine iterons.
Pretty sure china has some messed up laws that would prevent that from ever happening. Not to bring up the evil beast here, but even WoW in china is vastly different from what it is in the rest of the world, and not run by Blizzard there. China requires chinese companies to run online games played in china, though I'm sure you could look this up somewhere for better clarification. Because of this, I don;t think you will ever see a server merge, nor will you see CCP as the direct distributor of Eve there.
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Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
620
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:02:00 -
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The only way the China server would merge with trinity is if some kind of miracle happened in all the known dimensions of the string theory.
like democracy, shard puppy love, the birds and the bees, syncing without problems, asset relocation.
I could only imagine how difficult it would be to merge two servers...
like pos's in other pos' locations and what not.
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
867
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:09:00 -
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CCP gave us free cruisers choices for the 9th anniversary. All we had to do was pay for subscription.
How good does a ship need to be for "pay to win"? As t1 cruisers can still kill anything given just the right circumstances. |
Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology
Executive Outcomes
440
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:19:00 -
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Let's also be honest.
No one in their right mind would undock one of these ships, so it's hardly pay-to-win.
More like pay-to-spin. |
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