That is not my EVE.

Buy 20 plexes from CCP and you got a titan (or something) , how's that differnt ???

Because CCP isn't giving you a damn thing.

I see, so you purchase plex from ccp, it appears in your station, and its a "nothing"? Ok

And Lenovo would surely have a deal with these "Chinese CCP" guys, no such thing as a free lunch.

PLEX are an IG representation of your Sub and are freely convertible into subscription. They can in no way be redeemed to CCP for a Titan.

So, with regards to your OP, about a Titan, CCP isn't giving you a damn thing.

If I buy GTC's and sell them, I don't see where the isk goes, it's instant. All I know is that the price of these things are going up... so, as a person who doesn't care that the isk is coming from other players, I can go buy isk, legally.

The only difference, and it's what CCP has you believing is that because the market is player ran that we're not buying said titan from CCP. Where in fact, I gave CCP $30 for each GTC I purchased and in return, I got isk. Provided there is a character for sale in the Bazaar and a titan, I can in fact, pay to win in EVE. The only way EVE no longer becomes pay to win is if nobody ever bought PLEX's off the market and we no longer received ISK for our $30.

It's just disguised well, and you all fall for it.

i heard that there were players who paid plex to CCP to get into the alliance tournament and win a cambion some time ago

just a rumor though ...

wow. just wow. This is sad.

Buying a PLEX from CCP is buying a future's contract from CCP for 1 month Gametime with an undetermined maturity.
Selling a PLEX to another player is selling that future's contract for money in a different currency than you bought it with.
What amount of Currency2 you sell the loan for, and what you do with that currency has nothing to do with CCP.

You don't buy the Titan nor the Character from CCP. You don't sell the GTC/PLEX to CCP. Besides being the provider for the service you are trading (gametime), CCP is uninvolved.

Just because you don't meet the players face to face doesn't mean they aren't there. Just like the Stock market.

Buying a PLEX from CCP is buying a future's contract from CCP for 1 month Gametime with an undetermined maturity.
Selling a PLEX to another player is selling that future's contract for money in a different currency than you bought it with.
What amount of Currency2 you sell the loan for, and what you do with that currency has nothing to do with CCP.

If you call it Pay to Win, that's fine. It flies in the face of what normal people call Pay to Win (items purchased from the game company bypassing the normal mechanics to acquire said items), but that's your call.

Also, to properly be called RMT, the system would have to allow players to "Cash Out." Since you can never receive OOG Currency through the PLEX system, you can't "Cash Out," so it's not properly RMT.

Man you're splitting hairs over nothing. Ok CCP designs a game in such a way that you can buy a titan with real money in it, so its pay to win practically speaking Happy now or are you stubborn ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVC_g68nUpo

Ok CCP designs a game in such a way that you can buy a titan with real money in it, so its pay to win practically speaking Happy now or are you stubborn ?

GǪexcept that you cannot buy a titan with real money other than going to illegitimate third parties and risk getting thrown out of the game.

Plex

GǪdoesn't let you buy a titan for real money. It lets you buy game time or AUR for real money.

Ok uhmmm, I buy 200 plex from CCP, I get a gadzillion isk on market after selling the plex, then I buy titan....

Ok uhmmm, I buy 200 plex from CCP, I get a gadzillion isk on market after selling the plex, then I buy titan....

I'll be honest, I do feel like I'm talking to miss south carolina here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

GǪin other words, you're not buying a titan for real money. You're buying a titan for ISK just like everyone else.

If you find someone who has paid real money forGǪ anything, really, in the game, send off a petition and have them inappropriately probed by Sreegs et al.

Unbelievable

Ok uhmmm, I buy 200 plex from CCP, I get a gadzillion isk on market after selling the plex, then I buy titan....

I'll be honest, I do feel like I'm talking to miss south carolina here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

Unbelievable, Have a nice day, I got more constructive things to do than discuss this, like, watch my lawn grow , I really think I'd get more outta that

Buy 20 plexes from CCP and you got a titan (or something) , how's that differnt ???

I'll be honest, I do feel like miss south carolina here

GǪdoesn't let you buy a titan for real money. It lets you buy game time or AUR for real money.

Sorry I'm with him on this

you have paid real money to CCP which you can then sell in game for currency

Veterans reject your idea of Pay 2 Win because they have adapted to accept the current situation as NOT pay 2 win. They feel that because they are "earning" those skillpoints by paying to play, they have in fact not paid to win, thusly if you buy those skillpoints of THEM and NOT CCP, you are not paying to win either.

We are senior citizens of New Eden, and we like things the way they are, thank you very much.

Saw this question crop up on Twitter from the laudable @Chribba, so I asked some dudes who know more about this sort of thing than I do, since things are done a bit differently on Serenity considering the market (business and consumer).

Here's what they said.

TianCity doesn't sell ships for real world money.

The Vangel will be renamed on Serenity and a high-end Lenovo gaming rig will be given the same name, and the ship will be given out to a few players (in a contest or other fashion GÇô TBD). This is a cross-promotion and again, those ships will not be sold for cash. The new GÇ£VangelGÇ¥ will still be very rare on Serenity. In return we will have some pretty sweet promo opportunities with Lenovo.

Further transparency/clarification!
A couple other giveaways to mention just so that we're all on the same page:
--Gold Magnates were given for free to players that experienced a server issue on Serenity in July. Guess pretty bad server issue
--T1 frigates/destroyers/cruisers have been given out by TianCity to pique interest and hopefully raise the conversion rate. Nothing sold.

Hope this helps!

I don't know how this topic went all pay to win crazy.

Is it still in the long term plans to eventually merge with serenity?

Either way, good to know that they're at least renaming the ship.
It needs to be listed separately in the market so the originals retain their AT-only status.

I see this, overall, as no different than our amastris and ultramarine iterons.

Let's also be honest.

No one in their right mind would undock one of these ships, so it's hardly pay-to-win.
More like pay-to-spin.

Let's also be honest.

No one in their right mind would undock one of these ships, so it's hardly pay-to-win.
More like pay-to-spin.

Call that what you want, I call it cheating tbh...... bypassing everything like that is basically removing a huge facet of the game.

You don't buy the Titan nor the Character from CCP. You don't sell the GTC/PLEX to CCP. Besides being the provider for the service you are trading (gametime), CCP is uninvolved.

Just because you don't meet the players face to face doesn't mean they aren't there. Just like the Stock market.

Buying a PLEX from CCP is buying a future's contract from CCP for 1 month Gametime with an undetermined maturity.
Selling a PLEX to another player is selling that future's contract for money in a different currency than you bought it with.
What amount of Currency2 you sell the loan for, and what you do with that currency has nothing to do with CCP.

If you call it Pay to Win, that's fine. It flies in the face of what normal people call Pay to Win (items purchased from the game company bypassing the normal mechanics to acquire said items), but that's your call.

Also, to properly be called RMT, the system would have to allow players to "Cash Out." Since you can never receive OOG Currency through the PLEX system, you can't "Cash Out," so it's not properly RMT.

If I buy GTC's and sell them, I don't see where the isk goes, it's instant. All I know is that the price of these things are going up... so, as a person who doesn't care that the isk is coming from other players, I can go buy isk, legally.

The only difference, and it's what CCP has you believing is that because the market is player ran that we're not buying said titan from CCP. Where in fact, I gave CCP $30 for each GTC I purchased and in return, I got isk. Provided there is a character for sale in the Bazaar and a titan, I can in fact, pay to win in EVE. The only way EVE no longer becomes pay to win is if nobody ever bought PLEX's off the market and we no longer received ISK for our $30.

It's just disguised well, and you all fall for it.

Man you're splitting hairs over nothing. Ok CCP designs a game in such a way that you can buy a titan with real money in it, so its pay to win practically speaking Happy now or are you stubborn ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVC_g68nUpo

1. You don't need to explain the PLEX system. I fully understand how it works. It's a disguised Pay to Win system. If you're intelligent you see and understand this.

2. Pay to Win : A normal Definition: When you pay a game developer to have an advantage over others using real life money. <-- This is the definition of EVE right here. I can pay real money and get an advantage over others. Provided there are characters to buy and people selling titans.

3. CCP has just added a 'fork' in the process where the items are not spawned directly in your hangar and instead, you need to buy it from things manufactured in their game. However, for 30 dollars, I can buy 1b isk right now because that's the value of 2 PLEX.

The fact remains, if I purchase a GTC for $30, I get isk from a faceless market. I don't care who that person was. It's an illusion, a dupe, and you have been convinced that somehow, the game you love is not pay to win.


I accept that EVE is pay to win. Because, it is. Now you can get mad, huffy puffy and irate on how I dare call your beloved game pay to win, or you can accept that the concepts are the same, it's just the way the system works for the purchaser of the isk that makes the game pay to win.

I get an advantage for real life money.

1. You don't need to explain the PLEX system. I fully understand how it works. It's a disguised Pay to Win system. If you're intelligent you see and understand this.

2. Pay to Win : A normal Definition: When you pay a game developer to have an advantage over others using real life money. <-- This is the definition of EVE right here. I can pay real money and get an advantage over others. Provided there are characters to buy and people selling titans.

3. CCP has just added a 'fork' in the process where the items are not spawned directly in your hangar and instead, you need to buy it from things manufactured in their game. However, for 30 dollars, I can buy 1b isk right now because that's the value of 2 PLEX.

The fact remains, if I purchase a GTC for $30, I get isk from a faceless market. I don't care who that person was. It's an illusion, a dupe, and you have been convinced that somehow, the game you love is not pay to win.


I accept that EVE is pay to win. Because, it is. Now you can get mad, huffy puffy and irate on how I dare call your beloved game pay to win, or you can accept that the concepts are the same, it's just the way the system works for the purchaser of the isk that makes the game pay to win.

I get an advantage for real life money.

Let's also be honest.

No one in their right mind would undock one of these ships, so it's hardly pay-to-win.
More like pay-to-spin.

1. You don't need to explain the PLEX system. I fully understand how it works. It's a disguised Pay to Win system. If you're intelligent you see and understand this.

2. Pay to Win : A normal Definition: When you pay a game developer to have an advantage over others using real life money. <-- This is the definition of EVE right here. I can pay real money and get an advantage over others. Provided there are characters to buy and people selling titans.

3. CCP has just added a 'fork' in the process where the items are not spawned directly in your hangar and instead, you need to buy it from things manufactured in their game. However, for 30 dollars, I can buy 1b isk right now because that's the value of 2 PLEX.

The fact remains, if I purchase a GTC for $30, I get isk from a faceless market. I don't care who that person was. It's an illusion, a dupe, and you have been convinced that somehow, the game you love is not pay to win.


I accept that EVE is pay to win. Because, it is. Now you can get mad, huffy puffy and irate on how I dare call your beloved game pay to win, or you can accept that the concepts are the same, it's just the way the system works for the purchaser of the isk that makes the game pay to win.

I get an advantage for real life money.

Clueless.

I can get anything with ISK earned in game that you can pay money for to obtain.

This is not, by any definition, pay to win.

If you could buy with cash some advantage that I cannot obtain with ISK earned in game, then it would be pay to win.

Instead it is simply an alternate payment method for in game items available to everyone equally.

You don't need to explain the PLEX system. I fully understand how it works. It's a disguised Pay to Win system. If you're intelligent you see and understand this.

Pay to Win: You pay real life money to get ahead of other people.
Not Pay to Win: No way to use real life money for an advantage.

Which does EVE fall in sir?

Ok. Can you point me to the part on the account management page where I can buy ISK (or a titan, for that matter)? Can you show me on the right-click menu for a PLEX where I can turn it into a titan?.

Erm wtf are you nit picking on now, buy Game time cards, sell in game for isk, use isk to buy Titan ?

The entire notion that you can legitimately buy in-game stuff for real money.

Sorry Tippia now you know your being obtuse, It's already clear how you change real money into ISK via plex then that ISK into any item you want or can afford.

Stop arguing for the sake of it...

Tal