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Finde learth
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.13 05:22:00 -
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It has happened at China server.
http://eve.tiancity.com/homepage/article/2012/08/09/37046.html
I think CCP know this and allow it happen.
Step by step accomplish "Pay to Win".
If you like P2W,go to Serenity. |
Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
591
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Posted - 2012.08.13 05:24:00 -
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Link no work but they better keep anything ptowin off this server
The Like button is over there --> and up a lil bit. <3 |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Cold Hand of Shadow
161
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Posted - 2012.08.13 05:26:00 -
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That is not my EVE. |
Pipa Porto
697
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Posted - 2012.08.13 05:26:00 -
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Good thing Tiancity doesn't run Tranquility, then.
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade
Vera Cruz Alliance
847
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Posted - 2012.08.13 05:27:00 -
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Tah'ris Khlador wrote:That is not my EVE.
Its the chinese's. I'm not chinese so why should i care.
/in before chinese will take over the world.
The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Luis Graca
138
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Posted - 2012.08.13 05:31:00 -
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Wasn't the Chinese server pay-2-win since day 1? |
Peter Raptor
X-Exclusion-X
270
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Posted - 2012.08.13 05:32:00 -
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Buy 20 plexes from CCP and you got a titan (or something) , how's that differnt ???
Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
158
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Posted - 2012.08.13 05:34:00 -
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$3000 in China, that's like 10 years of work. They deserve it for spending that much.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Pipa Porto
697
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Posted - 2012.08.13 05:35:00 -
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Because CCP isn't giving you a damn thing.
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Webvan
State War Academy
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.08.13 05:43:00 -
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Hah! Even the BIOS has imbedded spyware! |
Peter Raptor
X-Exclusion-X
270
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Posted - 2012.08.13 06:11:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Because CCP isn't giving you a dam n thing.
I see, so you purchase plex from ccp, it appears in your station, and its a "nothing"? Ok 
And Lenovo would surely have a deal with these "Chinese CCP" guys, no such thing as a free lunch.
Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Pipa Porto
697
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Posted - 2012.08.13 06:16:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Because CCP isn't giving you a dam n thing. I see, so you purchase plex from ccp, it appears in your station, and its a "nothing"? Ok And Lenovo would surely have a deal with these "Chinese CCP" guys, no such thing as a free lunch.
PLEX are an IG representation of your Sub and are freely convertible into subscription. They can in no way be redeemed to CCP for a Titan.
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Ghazu
27
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Posted - 2012.08.13 06:29:00 -
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Intel i7 3930K
16GB DDR3 1600MHz
TBn+ê1TB+1TBn+ë 7200rpmn+îSATA
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 2.5GB
DVD-ROM
Windows 7 Home Premium
for 3000 bucks lol china
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Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
930
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Posted - 2012.08.13 06:51:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Because CCP isn't giving you a dam n thing. I see, so you purchase plex from ccp, it appears in your station, and its a "nothing"? Ok And Lenovo would surely have a deal with these "Chinese CCP" guys, no such thing as a free lunch. PLEX are an IG representation of your Sub and are freely convertible into subscription. They can in no way be redeemed to CCP for a Titan. So, with regards to your OP, about a Titan, CCP isn't giving you a dam n thing.
If I buy GTC's and sell them, I don't see where the isk goes, it's instant. All I know is that the price of these things are going up... so, as a person who doesn't care that the isk is coming from other players, I can go buy isk, legally.
The only difference, and it's what CCP has you believing is that because the market is player ran that we're not buying said titan from CCP. Where in fact, I gave CCP $30 for each GTC I purchased and in return, I got isk. Provided there is a character for sale in the Bazaar and a titan, I can in fact, pay to win in EVE. The only way EVE no longer becomes pay to win is if all the isk in the economy dried up and CCP had to start injecting isk and creating it from thin air.
It's just disguised well, and you all fall for it.
A list of fixes for the new inventory
Dual Pane idea clicky |
Pipa Porto
698
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Posted - 2012.08.13 07:05:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:If I buy GTC's and sell them, I don't see where the isk goes, it's instant. All I know is that the price of these things are going up... so, as a person who doesn't care that the isk is coming from other players, I can go buy isk, legally.
The only difference, and it's what CCP has you believing is that because the market is player ran that we're not buying said titan from CCP. Where in fact, I gave CCP $30 for each GTC I purchased and in return, I got isk. Provided there is a character for sale in the Bazaar and a titan, I can in fact, pay to win in EVE. The only way EVE no longer becomes pay to win is if nobody ever bought PLEX's off the market and we no longer received ISK for our $30.
It's just disguised well, and you all fall for it.
You don't buy the Titan nor the Character from CCP. You don't sell the GTC/PLEX to CCP. Besides being the provider for the service you are trading (gametime), CCP is uninvolved.
Just because you don't meet the players face to face doesn't mean they aren't there. Just like the Stock market.
Buying a PLEX from CCP is buying a future's contract from CCP for 1 month Gametime with an undetermined maturity.
Selling a PLEX to another player is selling that future's contract for money in a different currency than you bought it with.
What amount of Currency2 you sell the loan for, and what you do with that currency has nothing to do with CCP.
If you call it Pay to Win, that's fine. It flies in the face of what normal people call Pay to Win (items purchased from the game company bypassing the normal mechanics to acquire said items), but that's your call.
Also, to properly be called RMT, the system would have to allow players to "Cash Out." Since you can never receive OOG Currency through the PLEX system, you can't "Cash Out," so it's not properly RMT.
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
355
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Posted - 2012.08.13 07:21:00 -
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Its silly to compare what happens on the chinese server with our server. Businesses operating in China have to have a Chinese partner and have to conduct business in line with their practices. |
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
464
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Posted - 2012.08.13 07:39:00 -
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How the heck is a $3000 vangel a "win"? Bad troll bad... 0/10 for lack of effort.
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
624
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Posted - 2012.08.13 07:39:00 -
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But that computer looks awesome, plus a vangel on top of that. Sign me up for the closest child slave labor camp. I am going to china.
I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger
Ev0ke
308
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Posted - 2012.08.13 07:47:00 -
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i heard that there were players who paid plex to CCP to get into the alliance tournament and win a cambion some time ago
just a rumor though ... |
Pipa Porto
700
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Posted - 2012.08.13 08:05:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:i heard that there were players who paid plex to CCP to get into the alliance tournament and win a cambion some time ago
just a rumor though ...
I heard the same rumor. But I think the exploit that gave them free Cambions had a few more steps.
Like, I think they only got a BPC, so they had to manufacture it.
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Webvan
State War Academy
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.08.13 08:09:00 -
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even the spyware has spyware... |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
4453
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Posted - 2012.08.13 08:40:00 -
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wow. just wow. This is sad.
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Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
600
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Posted - 2012.08.13 09:09:00 -
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Chribba wrote:wow. just wow. This is sad.
They shoulda jus added another c infront of ccp... Tianiciry.. Wtd is that
The Like button is over there --> and up a lil bit. <3 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9035
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:27:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Buying a PLEX from CCP is buying a future's contract from CCP for 1 month Gametime with an undetermined maturity.
Selling a PLEX to another player is selling that future's contract for money in a different currency than you bought it with.
What amount of Currency2 you sell the loan for, and what you do with that currency has nothing to do with CCP. I prefer to look at it as a non-expiring call option for 30d game time or 3,500 AUR.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
143
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:33:00 -
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For $3000, it better be indestructible and come with a supernova cannon that shoots ammo in the form of CCP Soundwave's face and every time you score a kill it better broadcast a 5 minute version of nyan cat over the entire server. |
Peter Raptor
X-Exclusion-X
273
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:39:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Zagdul wrote:If I buy GTC's and sell them, I don't see where the isk goes, it's instant. All I know is that the price of these things are going up... so, as a person who doesn't care that the isk is coming from other players, I can go buy isk, legally.
The only difference, and it's what CCP has you believing is that because the market is player ran that we're not buying said titan from CCP. Where in fact, I gave CCP $30 for each GTC I purchased and in return, I got isk. Provided there is a character for sale in the Bazaar and a titan, I can in fact, pay to win in EVE. The only way EVE no longer becomes pay to win is if nobody ever bought PLEX's off the market and we no longer received ISK for our $30.
It's just disguised well, and you all fall for it. You don't buy the Titan nor the Character from CCP. You don't sell the GTC/PLEX to CCP. Besides being the provider for the service you are trading (gametime), CCP is uninvolved. Just because you don't meet the players face to face doesn't mean they aren't there. Just like the Stock market. Buying a PLEX from CCP is buying a future's contract from CCP for 1 month Gametime with an undetermined maturity. Selling a PLEX to another player is selling that future's contract for money in a different currency than you bought it with. What amount of Currency2 you sell the loan for, and what you do with that currency has nothing to do with CCP. If you call it Pay to Win, that's fine. It flies in the face of what normal people call Pay to Win (items purchased from the game company bypassing the normal mechanics to acquire said items), but that's your call. Also, to properly be called RMT, the system would have to allow players to "Cash Out." Since you can never receive OOG Currency through the PLEX system, you can't "Cash Out," so it's not properly RMT.
Man you're splitting hairs over nothing. Ok CCP designs a game in such a way that you can buy a titan with real money in it, so its pay to win practically speaking  Happy now or are you stubborn ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVC_g68nUpo
Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1709
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:52:00 -
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Why should we concern ourselves with what goes on in the China server? They like the P2W playstyle and fortunately for us China get their own server to play that way on. Who cares?
Granted...can CCP still say that EVE is one shard? Still...China is special in their own way when it comes to the internet. So I state again...who cares?
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
Pipa Porto
703
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:54:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Man you're splitting hairs over nothing. Ok CCP designs a game in such a way that you can buy a titan with real money in it, so its pay to win practically speaking Happy now or are you stubborn ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVC_g68nUpo
You can pay for other people to play for you, and in return they could buy a titan. There is a subtle, but important difference between buying a Titan with real money and buying gametime for other people and having those other people give you ISK and then using that ISK to buy a Titan.
Namely, the whole other people part that's so important.
Again, you're using a definition of P2W that is not the commonly accepted one (paying for items that bypass normal game mechanical means of acquisition or for items that are otherwise unavailable). PLEX are really tokens of an OOG service rather than items (since they serve no IG purpose), so they don't fit either of those categories.
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9036
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:54:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Ok CCP designs a game in such a way that you can buy a titan with real money in it, so its pay to win practically speaking Happy now or are you stubborn ? GǪexcept that you cannot buy a titan with real money other than going to illegitimate third parties and risk getting thrown out of the game.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Peter Raptor
X-Exclusion-X
273
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:57:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Ok CCP designs a game in such a way that you can buy a titan with real money in it, so its pay to win practically speaking Happy now or are you stubborn ? GǪexcept that you cannot buy a titan with real money other than going to illegitimate third parties and risk getting thrown out of the game.
Plex
Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
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