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Lallante
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Posted - 2005.01.19 01:31:00 -
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Tholarim, this is Shinra reporting stage 6 complete, moving to stage 7.
RUS, m0o and Evol report success at their appointed tasks, ATUKs task proceeding on target.
SE report final gearing up in progress.
PHASE B will be ready for initation soon.
Lall - THE Vocal Minority -
ShinRa
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Lallante
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Posted - 2005.01.19 01:32:00 -
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 oops! did I say that aloud?
Lall - THE Vocal Minority -
ShinRa
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.01.19 01:34:00 -
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ATUK reporting the FA infidels in the south are at current being passified.
Awaiting next orders.
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Tholarim
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Posted - 2005.01.19 01:43:00 -
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And now, step 7: making the dough.
Cus without cake, no invasion!
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CKOZUK
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Posted - 2005.01.19 01:47:00 -
[125]
 Originally by: Tholarim
And now, step 7: making the dough.
Cus without cake, no invasion!
But I want cookies :(
The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
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Stained
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Posted - 2005.01.19 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lallante
Tholarim, this is Shinra reporting stage 6 complete, moving to stage 7.
RUS, m0o and Evol report success at their appointed tasks, ATUKs task proceeding on target.
SE report final gearing up in progress.
PHASE B will be ready for initation soon.
YOU FOOL! The beans have been spilled!!!!!
Clean up on isle m0o!
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TIvian
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Posted - 2005.01.19 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lallante
Tholarim, this is Shinra reporting stage 6 complete, moving to stage 7.
RUS, m0o and Evol report success at their appointed tasks, ATUKs task proceeding on target.
SE report final gearing up in progress.
PHASE B will be ready for initation soon.
 ROFLOLNPIMP
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Darkrydar
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Posted - 2005.01.19 03:16:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Lallante
Tholarim, this is Shinra reporting stage 6 complete, moving to stage 7.
RUS, m0o and Evol report success at their appointed tasks, ATUKs task proceeding on target.
SE report final gearing up in progress.
PHASE B will be ready for initation soon.
Damnit, thats suppose to be posted on our UBER secure xCa forums.
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Deacon Iscariut
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Posted - 2005.01.19 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Lallante
Tholarim, this is Shinra reporting stage 6 complete, moving to stage 7.
RUS, m0o and Evol report success at their appointed tasks, ATUKs task proceeding on target.
SE report final gearing up in progress.
PHASE B will be ready for initation soon.
It's about frickin' time 
I killed Kenny, You Bastard
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2005.01.19 03:49:00 -
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I have studied FA very throughly. They are so so when it comes to offensive ops,but their strength has always been falling back into to Fountain and defending,which is basically like Eves own version of Troy.
The first and most contreversial invasion of Fountain was by mOo/FE invaded, mOo gained some outstanding victories in the early months and pushed FA to the brink and then called in FE who faught valiantly though from all accounts had hired and not completed their training of some newer players at least enough to use their comparitively small numbers to the same effect as mOo was,thus this slight easing of pressure mixed with the extended FE resupply lines and the eventual departure of moo from Fountain,allowed Fa to repel FE.
The OC invasion was an extention of the temporary OC invasion of Outer Ring which was done to assist PA in their war against NCA. So it wasn't permanent. Though I could be wrong this is just what I was told by a OC member.
Beating FA will take time,tactics and constant pressure.They have dug in deeper then I think anyone outside of FA knows and have the resources to spend at will. Just think of it this way most likely every time you buy a T2 mod money goes into Xans wallet.
Well it would take alot of coordination between Ex-CA and BoB ,which will NEVER happen . Theres an idea of the constant numbers and skill it would literally take to break them.
Personally I would like to see someone take down FA. But the reality as opposed to the chest thumping 90% of the pvp corps in game like to do ,is that it would be a pain in the ass. I think BoB could do it by themselves but honestly there is no such thing as overkill in trying to wipe out an alliance.
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Specops
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Posted - 2005.01.19 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Monkiboy
Edited by: Monkiboy on 18/01/2005 23:32:51
Specops you dont have credibility to question anyone elses with..
I mean hell- Xetic is meant to be anti-pirate- that is why they supposedly hated CA, yet you hired m00 to fight us? LOL irony much?
If WE WANTED to be mining in CA space, we would be.
We chose to leave. Nobody forced us.
Get that through your head.
Hell, Supremacy wasnt even in CA space when it collapsed, we'd been invading JQA for the previous week.
Your post makes it sound like one's ability to mine 0.0 is their value of worth in the game. If nothing, it indicates xetic's value system- as messed up as it may be.
We hate mining. We avoid it like the plague. Once every 4 months is tolerable.
We'd rather spend the bulk of our time fighting.
And dont put words into my mouth, I have the utmost respect for m00. Always have.
I recall one raid where Bobghenghis was leading an 8 rifter group into JLO/74- and tried to drop a tempest and failed- they lost most of their group.
It had nothing to do with Bob- he was very good, it was the CLS with him that sucked.
Monkiboy
What have I said that gives me "no credibilty"? I told you whats wrong with what you said and the best you could come up with is "Specops you don't have the credibility to question anyone elses with.." Very convincing indeed.
Lol how suprising, even more baseless accusations from you about what XETIC or my corp have been doing. We are not pirates. We have never been pirates. We (as in CLS) will let pretty much anyone in as long as they follow the rules. If you don't have a history of being a bad person CLS will most certianly give you a chance. This as you may have guessed would apply to M0o being hired. We don't care that they were pirates or are pirates now as long as they weren't while in CLS. And guess what they weren't. You will find no record of M0o or for that matter ANYONE in CLS who has pirated and not been approitaetly dealt with.
But lets look at the flipside. I thought XETIC was to carebear for CA. Sounds like a damned if you do damned if you don't situation to me. Was the inner workings of CA similar to this? I wouldn't be suprised (poor foyle).
Oh and this by far has to be the stupidest thing that has come out of your mouth yet, "Your post makes it sound like one's ability to mine 0.0 is their value of worth in the game." Well no **** it is. Look at FA. Look at XETIC. Now look at PA. Theres your explanation.
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Treptiomedes
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Posted - 2005.01.19 06:42:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Lucian Alucard
The OC invasion was an extention of the temporary OC invasion of Outer Ring which was done to assist PA in their war against NCA. So it wasn't permanent. Though I could be wrong this is just what I was told by a OC member.
There was an OC-invasion?...Damn i must have been on vacation @ that time
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B0unty Hunter
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Posted - 2005.01.19 06:45:00 -
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FA=blobing, Bloing=sux, you gues what FA does?
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2005.01.19 07:19:00 -
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Edited by: Aerick Dawn on 19/01/2005 07:21:14
When I was with FA way back in the day when m00 invaded, the outlook was pretty grim, we were relegated to total guerilla ops during the US primetime. We'd hit FE guys with razorthin margins on getting in, getting a kill and getting out alive before their fleet warped in. Those were the days....
Killing FA wholesale is not hard, from my observations they have some truly good pvp guys now, but not very many, killing them in their own home is something I completely know what any hostiles are up against. It has to be an all or nothing affair or it will fail.
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ArcticPirate
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Posted - 2005.01.19 08:22:00 -
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We can do it Aerick. Muahahaha!
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Proph'A'Ce
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Posted - 2005.01.19 08:23:00 -
[136]
^ Wrong alt...  .
-Prophecy |
Maretha Thei
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Posted - 2005.01.19 09:01:00 -
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It is kinda pointless to discuss the killing of an alliance, as someone mentioned. It simply cannot be done. Not, while the moral is good and the leadership is strong.
The only way to crush an alliance is to put pressure on them - unbearable pressure - 24/7. Have all their stations camped, their supply lines cut, their empire alts killed in empire wars... that can break an alliance, nothing less.
If you fight them in empire, they'll just fall back to 0.0. If you fight them in 0.0, those unwilling to fight will go to empire. If you do not blocade them 24/7, then the rest will continue to make money for those who are blockaded. - given they are organized properly.
Btw: i really liked the troy analogy. Those systems around the stations are a strategic dream. Two entrances, many choke points... If they can defend them well, no enemy has a real chance.
IF they do lose however, they are trapped inside their own fortress, suffering from the same advantages, that they were able to use so well in defense.
IF FA is troy, then those attacking it will either need a troyan horse, or they'll fail.
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TIvian
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Posted - 2005.01.19 09:55:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Proph'A'Ce
^ Wrong alt... .
Shame on you!! go put your nose in the corner!
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Lallante
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Posted - 2005.01.19 10:00:00 -
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FA may not die but it will lose its terriatory, its POSs and eventually be forced to operate in a very small area.
Lall - THE Vocal Minority -
ShinRa
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Maretha Thei
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Posted - 2005.01.19 10:31:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Lallante
FA may not die but it will lose its terriatory, its POSs and eventually be forced to operate in a very small area.
But for how long? Sure it can be fun to fight / blockade them for a week, a month, several months? At the end, you'll just get bored and leave the area, or they'll gain strength and take it back.
As i see in 0.0 stations are everything. No matter how many empty systems you control, as long as there are no REAL player owned (created) stations in the game, controlling the few NPC owned ones is the dividing line between success and failure. What good would it do for you to control every system around FA, when they control the important ones, which make those around them valuable?
FA *may* lose some attachments, like delve or tpar, but thats still to be seen. Its just the beginning of the road you are walking on, and i doubt that even you could see the end of it.
Then again
Quote:
rule of aquisition #34: "War is good for business"
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Kim Wu
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Posted - 2005.01.19 11:35:00 -
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It must be remembered that Fountain's strength (limited systems to guard) is also its weakness as if the supply routes into those limited systems is cut in terms of BS then it can easily go downhill from there. Sure FA have minerals there, but for sustained BS losses, no way.
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Maretha Thei
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Posted - 2005.01.19 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Maretha Thei on 19/01/2005 11:54:18
Originally by: Kim Wu
It must be remembered that Fountain's strength (limited systems to guard) is also its weakness as if the supply routes into those limited systems is cut in terms of BS then it can easily go downhill from there. Sure FA have minerals there, but for sustained BS losses, no way.
Again, unless that blocade is 24/7, which is almost impossible to achieve tbh, people will simply smuggle their stuff in/out while the blockade guys are having lunch / sleep / play poker, or do whatever else.
What is better for business than some old fashioned blockades? Those guys have the isk, maybe i should start to stockpile ships / minerals, and begin smuggling them in for some real profit :P
Now when does that blockade start? ;)
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probe2
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Posted - 2005.01.19 12:24:00 -
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The highest form of generalship is to balk the enemy's plans; the next best is to prevent the junction of the enemy's forces; the next in order is to attack the enemy's army in the field; and the worst policy of all is to besiege walled cities.
Every kill by FA will be worth 10 losses.
Good Luck anyway
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Monkiboy
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Posted - 2005.01.19 19:40:00 -
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Simple point of fact, kick them off their feet- then kick them repeatedly while they're down.
In real life, people know they're conquered when they see tanks rolling through their streets. That doesnt mean they give up- but they know futility when they see it.
In Eve, this analogy doesnt apply.
The only way it gets into peoples skulls is when they need to move to empire to be able to undock safely and when they're broke and they dont have anyone to borrow cash from.
Greedy alliances make this easier as it breeds internal problems and squabbling.
eg. why is it that fighters are always broke? and carebears are rich? When the fighters are the only ones defending the alliance?
Why is it my corp is broke and yours isnt? Do you really care about the alliance?
That is how you conquer space. Break your opponents will to fight through awesome power and sheer determination to conquer.
Let them know, they're time is up.
Let's face it- nobody in Eve truly owns 0.0 space.
When people tell us "but this is OUR space"- I'm like "Dude- it's NOBODY's space it's 0.0. Hell- today it's you, tommorrow it's us, the day after it's probably someone else."
It's people's ego that lets them think they actually own something.
Everything is in flux, everything is changing- and it's about bloody time too. Eve was getting very boring- the same fat cats manipulating others with malice aforethought.
Monkiboy
Supremacy
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2005.01.19 20:12:00 -
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Agreed Monkiboy.
With NORAD, it was much easier considering it seems they had a morale issue before we came in. We were determined to be here, after 2 weeks of constant camping and slaughter, many NORAD corps honorably left. I knew NORAD was done for before we even made the move. When I watched well over 100+ supremacy pilots jump into 4C which was already saturated with the rest of the "xCA", I think NORAD knew it was over as well.
FA is a whole other story. One thing that has changed however, is that the neighbors on their borders are no longer puppets nor meatshields.
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2005.01.19 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Lucian Alucard on 19/01/2005 21:14:22
actually Fade has the best defensive set up. you can see blobs comming at you from 20+ jumps away,have enough high end ore to recoup your losses,have the appropriate amount of server support to use lag traps to their optimal effectiveness and all your conquerables are within 4j of eachother. Fountain is almost as good,but you take all the said factors and add a large battle harden fleet led by people who have combat experience dating back as far as the Amarr tournement (yes I remember Shrike against Detativ)and mid level commanders who faught againts mOo and FE and you have a defense force that is nigh unstopable. Actually the way to beat FA is to draw the whole of the FA fleet out to say Period Basis and then invade and dig in,in Fountain thus using their own defensive line against them. But if anyone can pull that off I would be VERY VERY impressed.
Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass. |
Proph'A'Ce
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Posted - 2005.01.19 23:00:00 -
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Whoa! Monkiboy, Aerick and Luc 4tw 
-Prophecy |
Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2005.01.19 23:02:00 -
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Proph is that you mate?
Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass. |
Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.01.20 01:49:00 -
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Seen as tho this thread is most apt, i would like to thank FA for the fun today. Even tho i died, it was some of the most fun i have had in eve.
Respect.
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Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2005.01.20 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: The Enslaver
But /me wants pom poms too.
can I have pom poms? :(
*****slaps the Enslaver
No!
bithslaps him again you are not the OC cheerleader
*****slaps the enslaver even more
only dreamworks is aloowed t play with cheerleader gear.
I am Jack's broken moral compass. I am Jack's STILL trapped in eve limbo. maybe not for much longer... |
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