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Argumentative	Posted - 2005.01.17 08:01:00 - [1] The past few days has seen a gradual build up in resistance forces against FA controlled territory, and allies. Former CA corps have been attacking in vast numbers, both southern claimed FA space, and NORAD - right next to Fountain. If either fall, it will have vast negative consequences for the already diminishing alliance. I for one am interested in seeing what Fountain will do now - they are unable to use their blob warring, or their locations advantages, as they are being attacked on two fronts. If FA stay blobbed in YZ, territory on both their sides will fall, and as such the alliance will end up under relentless attack from two neighbouring fronts. If FA fight, they will have to split their forces into two fronts, or face having invading forces reaching YZ. Is Fountain still as happy about the fall of the Curse? It seems to death of the Curse, is bringing the death of Fountain.
Loka	Posted - 2005.01.17 08:14:00 - [2] Originally by: Argumentative The past few days has seen a gradual build up in resistance forces against FA controlled territory, and allies. Former CA corps have been attacking in vast numbers, both southern claimed FA space, and NORAD - right next to Fountain. If either fall, it will have vast negative consequences for the already diminishing alliance. I for one am interested in seeing what Fountain will do now - they are unable to use their blob warring, or their locations advantages, as they are being attacked on two fronts. If FA stay blobbed in YZ, territory on both their sides will fall, and as such the alliance will end up under relentless attack from two neighbouring fronts. If FA fight, they will have to split their forces into two fronts, or face having invading forces reaching YZ. Is Fountain still as happy about the fall of the Curse? It seems to death of the Curse, is bringing the death of Fountain. FA choose this when they killed StA, CFS and DSMA, which were a much better "defender" as the current puppets were. Damn this is so funny _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Lodarus	Posted - 2005.01.17 08:23:00 - [3] Well, Fa really are hurting themself as opposed to helping themself getting into "our affairs" We are over in NORAD for a reason that none of you really know. Is it to claim it or is it we were paid ? It could be just something fun or maybe we were going to help a buddy corp out in jqa and NORAD stuck their noses in it and that is why they are getting smacked. We are here right now and who knows for how long. FA, really should re-evaluate their plans however or ours might change. No offence or anything else is intended but ur curious and I am more than willin to feed your curiousity. I want to make it very clear that we do not mind FA comin over as it is givng us some more cannon fodder as NORAD will not fight us at all period. These guys sit in station and have everyone else fight for them. If NORAD tells one soul they engage us they are full of it perhaps one or two might with FA or Xetic but thats it. They have everyone else fighting for them.
Kariss	Posted - 2005.01.17 08:47:00 - [4] Yay, another "death of XXXXXX" thread
mark10201	Posted - 2005.01.17 08:54:00 - [5] /me wonders if FA would like us to re-form CFS and bail them out of the s**t lol /me thinks we will laugh while we watch CA pwn FA even better than before
Punto	Posted - 2005.01.17 08:58:00 - [6] Edited by: Punto on 17/01/2005 09:00:57 I'd be willing to bet that Loka started this thread and reponsded to himself. You guys fail to understand that not everyone like watching you stroke your egos all the time...
The Mystif	Posted - 2005.01.17 08:58:00 - [7] Originally by: mark10201 /me wonders if FA would like us to re-form CFS and bail them out of the st lol You couldn't even bail yourselves out. Originally by:** mark10201 /me thinks we will laugh while we watch CA pwn FA even better than before Bitter much?
Fakename	Posted - 2005.01.17 09:13:00 - [8] Originally by: Argumentative The past few days has seen a gradual build up in resistance forces against FA controlled territory, and allies. Former CA corps have been attacking in vast numbers, both southern claimed FA space, and NORAD - right next to Fountain. If either fall, it will have vast negative consequences for the already diminishing alliance. I for one am interested in seeing what Fountain will do now - they are unable to use their blob warring, or their locations advantages, as they are being attacked on two fronts. If FA stay blobbed in YZ, territory on both their sides will fall, and as such the alliance will end up under relentless attack from two neighbouring fronts. If FA fight, they will have to split their forces into two fronts, or face having invading forces reaching YZ. Is Fountain still as happy about the fall of the Curse? It seems to death of the Curse, is bringing the death of Fountain. Pathetic
Argumentative	Posted - 2005.01.17 09:14:00 - [9] Originally by: Punto Edited by: Punto on 17/01/2005 09:00:57 I'd be willing to bet that Loka started this thread and reponsded to himself. You guys fail to understand that not everyone like watching you stroke your egos all the time... Close, but no. The difference in this situation is that it will either cause the death of FA, or force them to let others claim parts of their territory. With BoB making small raids into Fountain, and xCA forces controlling Outer Ring, also doing raids into Fountain - they can not afford to spread their forces to protect their claimed space of Period Basis, Delve and Querious aswell - all three regions of which they are losing control of. Don't get me wrong, it will be a slow death - FA aren't hardened PVPers, and as such they are unable to cope with being surrounded by enemies - even one enemy next door that has significant force and/or willpower is too much for Fountain considerinf the way it operates. Oh, and FA - Propaganda and politics won't get you out of this situation. The people attacking you really don't care about any politics you throw their way.
Loka	Posted - 2005.01.17 09:14:00 - [10] Originally by: Punto Edited by: Punto on 17/01/2005 09:00:57 I'd be willing to bet that Loka started this thread and reponsded to himself. You guys fail to understand that not everyone like watching you stroke your egos all the time... , lol. _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Alkad Mzu	Posted - 2005.01.17 09:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Argumentative Former CA corps have been attacking in vast numbers, both southern claimed FA space, and NORAD - right next to Fountain. If either fall, it will have vast negative consequences for the already diminishing alliance. Evidently, what went down the drain with CA was their propaganda skills. We haven't claimed any of the areas you refer to, but even as we are displeased with having our 2500 man continous ark sucking op disrupted by bad elements ruining the neighborhood (there goes the real estate market), claiming we're worried would be a vast exaggeration. Cu in space. ________________________________________________ Head of Public Relations, Fountain Alliance
Argumentative	Posted - 2005.01.17 09:25:00 - [12] Originally by: Alkad Mzu Originally by: Argumentative Former CA corps have been attacking in vast numbers, both southern claimed FA space, and NORAD - right next to Fountain. If either fall, it will have vast negative consequences for the already diminishing alliance. Evidently, what went down the drain with CA was their propaganda skills. We haven't claimed any of the areas you refer to, but even as we are displeased with having our 2500 man continous ark sucking op disrupted by bad elements ruining the neighborhood (there goes the real estate market), claiming we're worried would be a vast exaggeration. Cu in space. You do not claim the territory, you just own the stations and charge a tax for usage? And last I heard, you officially claim Delve, but PB is claimed by PBL (Puppets of FA) and Querious Firmus Ixion (AKA Puppets). And as I said, we don't care about politics. TOo bad for you, thats how you fight.
Bizarre	Posted - 2005.01.17 09:25:00 - [13] You're foolish. You won't kill FA within a week by putting some pressure on Outer Ring and Delve. FA has already fended off two invasions, one from the "mighty" F-E and another from the "mighty" Dorklar and his forces. They are fully capable of handling themselves. I must agree however that FA look somewhat weaker now then in the past, with FinFleet, Xanadu and 4S being less active but I am sure that other corps will manage to fill that gap. In theory, FA only needs to hold about 3-4 systems to work effectively as an alliance. They don't care about 3/4th of their territory as they only use it for travelling. All FA corps have plenty of stocks up in Fountain so trying to outlast them will be very difficult. So keep beating your chests xCA/UFS and whatever riff raff is trying to attack FA. Some of you have tried before and failed, FA are tougher to ***** then most of you think. Newbies. ------------------------------------------------- Deathwing > U LIKE THOSE NUTS ON YA CHIN?
Sassinak	Posted - 2005.01.17 09:25:00 - [14] Wooh000 for alts \o/ Sass Arcane Technologies
Sassinak	Posted - 2005.01.17 09:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Bizarre You're foolish. You won't kill FA within a week by putting some pressure on Outer Ring and Delve. FA has already fended off two invasions, one from the "mighty" F-E and another from the "mighty" Dorklar and his forces. They are fully capable of handling themselves. I must agree however that FA look somewhat weaker now then in the past, with FinFleet, Xanadu and 4S being less active but I am sure that other corps will manage to fill that gap. In theory, FA only needs to hold about 3-4 systems to work effectively as an alliance. They don't care about 3/4th of their territory as they only use it for travelling. All FA corps have plenty of stocks up in Fountain so trying to outlast them will be very difficult. So keep beating your chests xCA/UFS and whatever riff raff is trying to attack FA. Some of you have tried before and failed, FA are tougher to ***** then most of you think. Newbies. I'll just go and get you a little FA flag and pom poms you can go and wave for em then Sass Arcane Technologies
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.01.17 09:42:00 - [16] But /me wants pom poms too. can I have pom poms? :( -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Sassinak	Posted - 2005.01.17 09:45:00 - [17] Originally by: The Enslaver But /me wants pom poms too. can I have pom poms? :( If you ask bizarre nicely im sure he'll let u use his... Your ok with pink though right? its his colour Sass Arcane Technologies
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.01.17 09:47:00 - [18] Prefer purple but I'll settle thx. Bizarre, let me use your pom poms. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
ParMizaN	Posted - 2005.01.17 10:12:00 - [19] tbh the best way to kill any alliance is from the inside .. the biggies wont be falling any time soon from outside pressure methinks ------------------ Run and fall or stand in line, in the end what's your's is mine
Loka	Posted - 2005.01.17 10:18:00 - [20] Edited by: Loka on 17/01/2005 10:18:41 Originally by: ParMizaN tbh the best way to kill any alliance is from the inside .. the biggies wont be falling any time soon from outside pressure methinks Not quite true imo. You can kill any alliance which are based on the fact, that they own Player Owned Station. The Problem with the huge alliances are, that they have planty of NPC stations, were they can hide, if too much pressure would be put on them. Any other alliance, without controll of POS will have to gather fleets in Empire, while the invaders can regroup in the invaded space. So yes, killing Alliances with plenty NPCs station is long term dedicated work, which most struggle to spent time for. And no all others can be conquered by stronger forces in few weeks. With the moral of most corps down, because their access to their hangars and their ships cut, they will tend to make a deal to get their stuff out. Not everybody is rich enough to have plenty of ships in POS and empire for both case scenarios. And the richer one wont give the poorer majority one the money they hard earned. _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2005.01.17 10:23:00 - [21] Who said we were here for FA? Last i saw we were attacking NORAD space and FA came to help their meatshield. I think the poster assumes to much. Reverend Necrona
Rift Scorn	Posted - 2005.01.17 10:23:00 - [22] Originally by: Loka Originally by: Argumentative The past few days has seen a gradual build up in resistance forces against FA controlled territory, and allies. Former CA corps have been attacking in vast numbers, both southern claimed FA space, and NORAD - right next to Fountain. If either fall, it will have vast negative consequences for the already diminishing alliance. I for one am interested in seeing what Fountain will do now - they are unable to use their blob warring, or their locations advantages, as they are being attacked on two fronts. If FA stay blobbed in YZ, territory on both their sides will fall, and as such the alliance will end up under relentless attack from two neighbouring fronts. If FA fight, they will have to split their forces into two fronts, or face having invading forces reaching YZ. Is Fountain still as happy about the fall of the Curse? It seems to death of the Curse, is bringing the death of Fountain. FA choose this when they killed StA, CFS and DSMA, which were a much better "defender" as the current puppets were. Damn this is so funny I'll sign that Loka! Good to see FA getting exactley what it deserves
Rift Scorn	Posted - 2005.01.17 10:28:00 - [23] look out for the NORAD neigbours the [G] Alliance, they'll fly to the system next door to you and log off repeatedly until they beat you through sheer boredom and local smack from a scoting alt
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2005.01.17 10:33:00 - [24] Originally by: Rift Scorn look out for the NORAD neigbours the [G] Alliance, they'll fly to the system next door to you and log off repeatedly until they beat you through sheer boredom and local smack from a scoting alt yep they almost wanted me to pod myself So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Maule	Posted - 2005.01.17 11:28:00 - [25] Edited by: Maule on 17/01/2005 11:28:19 Bizarre is right.. its not a walk in the park trying to kill fa.. they can focuse their forces in 2-3 systems and still work as an alliance.. But once you get into yz-lql its a matter of outlasting them.. and that can take awhile as they have huge amounts of resources and ships... Edit: Ment yz-lql. not fountain
Kurenin	Posted - 2005.01.17 12:16:00 - [26] Originally by: Sassinak Originally by: Bizarre You're foolish. You won't kill FA within a week by putting some pressure on Outer Ring and Delve. FA has already fended off two invasions, one from the "mighty" F-E and another from the "mighty" Dorklar and his forces. They are fully capable of handling themselves. I must agree however that FA look somewhat weaker now then in the past, with FinFleet, Xanadu and 4S being less active but I am sure that other corps will manage to fill that gap. In theory, FA only needs to hold about 3-4 systems to work effectively as an alliance. They don't care about 3/4th of their territory as they only use it for travelling. All FA corps have plenty of stocks up in Fountain so trying to outlast them will be very difficult. So keep beating your chests xCA/UFS and whatever riff raff is trying to attack FA. Some of you have tried before and failed, FA are tougher to ***** then most of you think. Newbies. I'll just go and get you a little FA flag and pom poms you can go and wave for em then He's cute. ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Shadowsword	Posted - 2005.01.17 12:28:00 - [27] Saying right now that we're going to die, is prematurate. Fighting on 2 fronts (especially when the battlefields are relatively far away from fountain stations), even 3 fronts if you count rubra (they aren't much of a threat, but still require a gang to keep an eye on them), sure put some pressure on us, but I don't consider it a bad thing. We had it too quiet for too long, it's time for us to work up a little our fleet combat abilities. Remember it, Alt. The more you hammer us, the tougher we become. Now I think I'm done wasting my time with you.
Arekuwa	Posted - 2005.01.17 12:29:00 - [28] Originally by: Bizarre In theory, FA only needs to hold about 3-4 systems to work effectively as an alliance. That works both ways, however.. You only need to control 3-4 systems all within 3 jumps of each other to shut down FA effectively as an alliance. The only problem is getting a large and determined enough force together to break the initial resistance and stay there for long enough. As a comparison, the reason PA lasted so long and can still operate in Venal is that the key systems there are fairly spread out and hard to control, so that they could and can still operate although they can't muster a fleet big enough to really repel their invaders. Fountain would not have that opportunity. If the forces that are potentially up against FA are determined enough, I don't know. Supremacy/CA always always seemed to have a relatively short attention span with their invasions and for BoB, while their leadership would certainly be determined enough to pull through something like this, it is probably a bit too far from their territory and there are too many people potentially hostile to them in between.
Black Mambo	Posted - 2005.01.17 14:20:00 - [29] The best way to bring FA down is to have Loka join one of their corps he is 2/2
Loka	Posted - 2005.01.17 14:27:00 - [30] Originally by: Black Mambo The best way to bring FA down is to have Loka join one of their corps he is 2/2 probably my english isnt that good to understand this, but i think i smile anyway. Btw i have leet veldspar refining skills. _____________________________________ Dead or Alive

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