so if I decide to undercut whatever you're building at greater quantity and dump it on the market, what is that?

Business, not player vs player and you can play that tune all you like

So come on, lets change the game, lets put it pure shooty shooty pvp

we are ruining the game and we never stop complaining

So

Apparently us high sec dwellers are cowards and never do any pvp, we run from conflict and we hide doing missions and mining and according to pvp pilots, we are ruining the game and we never stop complaining.

Okay, let's fix it CCP, let's try it for a week, let's put the server into what im calling a ghost phase. Here is what you will need to do.

All industrial ships will need to be removed
All blueprints will need to be removed
All star bases will need to run on PI only goods, no wait, ud need blueprints for that, no, remove starbases fuel needs.
Change all empire 0.5-0.9 except for RENS/AMARR/DODXIEI/JITA and leave those as 1.0 systems for market hubs

You will need to seed all ships/modules at set prices.

You will need to remove refining as industry is no longer needed.

And Then we will see how this will go down with your *real* player base, not the 25% vocal majority

So CCP, lets try it out, lets do what they want, lets change EVE to pure PVP sov games, no industry, no mining, no missions, no incursions, nothing that makes ISK *easily* and make everything hard and serious *RISK VERSES REWARD* and see what happens.

Personally

EvE = Dead game

But, lets give it a try, lets do what they want, im being dead serious, lets do it, lets really do it, lets show them how screwed up the game would be if it was pure PVP based with no carebears, SHOW THEM

But what if I intend on driving you out of the market, perhaps out of the game in the process?

Anyone here have Tear Mining to V yet? Cause I dont have the ability to haverst it all

ud never known what i was producing anyway

Business, not player vs player and you can play that tune all you like

So come on, lets change the game, lets put it pure shooty shooty pvp

Apparently us high sec dwellers are cowards and never do any pvp, we run from conflict and we hide doing missions and mining and according to pvp pilots, we are ruining the game and we never stop complaining.

Don't be purposely obtuse....

EvE == Everyone vs Everyone....

There are many, many forms of competition here....

The core of EvE is not ship vs ship violence, but economic competition.... You compete with market orders, you compete for resources, you compete in almost every aspect of this game.... There are very few actions you can partake in which don't adversely affect your neighbor... I've seen people mine roids out from one another, there's the blatantly obvious market competition (which is the cumulative product of all industry competition), and there is space dominion (which is the combat you refer too).

The reason highsec carebears get a bad name, is because they often want to partake ONLY in the economic side of the competition while be immune to the space domination game (ship pew pew). That's akin to playing civilization with all forms of aggression turned off!!!! Both economic and military influence should play a huge role, and you shouldn't be immune to one form just because you don't want too.

All blueprints will need to be removed

All star bases will need to run on PI only goods, no wait, ud need blueprints for that, no, remove starbases fuel needs.
Change all empire 0.5-0.9 except for RENS/AMARR/DODXIEI/JITA and leave those as 1.0 systems for market hubs

You will need to seed all ships/modules at set prices.

You will need to remove refining as industry is no longer needed.

And Then we will see how this will go down with your *real* player base, not the 25% vocal majority

So CCP, lets try it out, lets do what they want, lets change EVE to pure PVP sov games, no industry, no mining, no missions, no incursions, nothing that makes ISK *easily* and make everything hard and serious *RISK VERSES REWARD* and see what happens.

Personally

EvE = Dead game

But, lets give it a try, lets do what they want, im being dead serious, lets do it, lets really do it, lets show them how screwed up the game would be if it was pure PVP based with no carebears, SHOW THEM

Don't be purposely obtuse....

EvE == Everyone vs Everyone....

There are many, many forms of competition here....

The core of EvE is not ship vs ship violence, but economic competition.... You compete with market orders, you compete for resources, you compete in almost every aspect of this game.... There are very few actions you can partake in which don't adversely affect your neighbor... I've seen people mine roids out from one another, there's the blatantly obvious market competition (which is the cumulative product of all industry competition), and there is space dominion (which is the combat you refer too).

The reason highsec carebears get a bad name, is because they often want to partake ONLY in the economic side of the competition while be immune to the space domination game (ship pew pew). That's akin to playing civilization with all forms of aggression turned off!!!! Both economic and military influence should play a huge role, and you shouldn't be immune to one form just because you don't want too.

It "should?" Don't tell us how to enjoy the game WE paid for.

Im saying give it a go

Make the game pure pvp

I would like to see what happens

I honestly would like to see the result

Anyone here have Tear Mining to V yet? Cause I dont have the ability to haverst it all

OP looks like Nero, that Picard-clone in one of the Star Trek movies.

No that was Shinzon... ugh.

Hang on, let me check my alt.

ITT: OP is butthurt and doesn't want to admit it.

I think a better idea is to just give the OP permanent WT status. I can go further and just say give his Account WT status and not just 1 char.

Ive lost three ships this week trying to pvp :) Not butthurt at all

Id just like to show you what the game would be like if u removed *carebears* from the game :)

Alll ive got is a buncha troll replies, funny imo

If you removed carebears from the game, then there would be much less whining on the forums. Thats it.

Carebear =/= PvE HS player.

Doesn't fly sorry mate

Just take a long hard look at the whine threads

PvP pilots who start them, not carebears, hard to look in the mirror and see truth staring at back you

It "should?" Don't tell us how to enjoy the game WE paid for.

Apparent carebear here and I agree with the last part of this post completely. I don't like PvP simply because I don't know a lot about the game. I'm not going to waste a ton of resources learning something on my own when I can simply take precaution to limit my chances of partaking in it.

By no means do I feel I have the right to be completely immune to PvP, that would be ********. However, I will do whatever I can to avoid it so that I can continue to grow my in-game wealth and then dabble in some PvP if the need for it arises. It's that simple.

Also, if you ever want to learn about the PvP side of the game, shoot me an ingame mail and I'll hook up up with one of our (Agony's) PvP classes...

can you teach our dictors how to keep things bubbled

Seriously all the NULL seccers "NERF ALL HI SEC INCOME" whine treads threads are tiresome. NULL SEC is a desert because it is populated with such whiney asshats.

But, lets give it a try, lets do what they want, im being dead serious, lets do it, lets really do it, lets show them how screwed up the game would be if it was pure PVP based with no carebears, SHOW THEM

And highsec is filled with the cream of the crop.

So

Apparently us high sec dwellers are cowards and never do any pvp, we run from conflict and we hide doing missions and mining and according to pvp pilots, we are ruining the game and we never stop complaining.

Okay, let's fix it CCP, let's try it for a week, let's put the server into what im calling a ghost phase. Here is what you will need to do.

All industrial ships will need to be removed
All blueprints will need to be removed
All star bases will need to run on PI only goods, no wait, ud need blueprints for that, no, remove starbases fuel needs.
Change all empire 0.5-0.9 except for RENS/AMARR/DODXIEI/JITA and leave those as 1.0 systems for market hubs

You will need to seed all ships/modules at set prices.

You will need to remove refining as industry is no longer needed.

And Then we will see how this will go down with your *real* player base, not the 25% vocal majority

So CCP, lets try it out, lets do what they want, lets change EVE to pure PVP sov games, no industry, no mining, no missions, no incursions, nothing that makes ISK *easily* and make everything hard and serious *RISK VERSES REWARD* and see what happens.

Personally

EvE = Dead game

But, lets give it a try, lets do what they want, im being dead serious, lets do it, lets really do it, lets show them how screwed up the game would be if it was pure PVP based with no carebears, SHOW THEM

end yourself

Quoted the relevant part.

okey AAA Pet

So

Apparently us high sec dwellers are cowards and never do any pvp, we run from conflict and we hide doing missions and mining and according to pvp pilots, we are ruining the game and we never stop complaining.

All industrial ships will need to be removed
All blueprints will need to be removed
All star bases will need to run on PI only goods, no wait, ud need blueprints for that, no, remove starbases fuel needs.
Change all empire 0.5-0.9 except for RENS/AMARR/DODXIEI/JITA and leave those as 1.0 systems for market hubs

You will need to seed all ships/modules at set prices.

You will need to remove refining as industry is no longer needed.

So CCP, lets try it out, lets do what they want, lets change EVE to pure PVP sov games, no industry, no mining, no missions, no incursions

And Then we will see how this will go down with your *real* player base, not the 25% vocal majority

Carebares dont force manufacturing on you so why force pvp on those who dont want it?

People pay to play. If you pay for my account I will gladly play the way you ask. Untill then I will pay my $14.99 per month and play the game how I choose not you. Carebares dont force manufacturing on you so why force pvp on those who dont want it?

To each is own. If I dont like it then I stop paying.

Carebares dont force manufacturing on you so why force pvp on those who dont want it?

People like the OP think they matter to Eve

One thing always left out in these risk vs reward debates is that there is an aspect that is a reward that can't be balanced against the in game rewards. That aspect is the reward of explosions, or causing another player to lose something of value. Things of that nature.

So how do you balance that in the game (realistically).

http://blackprophecy.com/

eve without industry. there you go pvpers.

http://blackprophecy.com/

eve without industry. there you go pvpers.

If there was a complete Null Sec style server , with all ships and mods seeded and no industry, how many would join?

If there was a complete High Sec style server, with only at the most a PVP flagging system in place, how many would join

So by your logic, let's remove all PVP and you can mine and build for...no buyers? market is now dead? what a stupid thread, time to stop reading this section of the forum...

A small vocal majority on the forums leading the game while the rest of us suffer because your to stupid to know when to stop.

If you dont want a pvp game full on

stop interfering with those who have no interest in pvp

People like the OP think they matter to Eve

Sod off mate

So you have nothing to back your assertions up.

Well, good. Then we can safely conclude that they're nonsense.

You can sit there and pretend to be *educated* and use *big words*.

Bottom line is, all pvpers whine they want carebears in null and low, why, because its easy kills, there is no other reason

No doubt u shall find a flaw all my sentences.

so if I decide to undercut whatever you're building at greater quantity, at a price lower than what you can afford to sell, and dump it on the market, what is that?

One does not have to be a Tippia to find a flaw in your nonsense.

This is by far the stupidest thread of 2012.

*educated* ... *big words*

I don't have to pretend, and no big words are used.

The simple fact remains: you are apparently unable to back up your assertions. The burden of proof is on you. Until you provide such evidence as to back up those assertions and make them believable, we can safely conclude that they are nonsense.

GǪand you have something to back that claim up, presumably?

Anyway, first of all, the most common reason you'll hear is balance. So already there, you're wrong. Second of all, what they want is fewer carebears, in null, low, and highsec, and more people who don't suffer the illusions about the game that characterise the general carebear. What they want is more people to shoot. The nature of those people is completely inconsequential.

Your speak in circles and your sentences have no meaning what so ever

Seriously all the NULL seccers "NERF ALL HI SEC INCOME" whine treads threads are tiresome. NULL SEC is a desert because it is populated with such whiney asshats.

"lets change EVE to pure PVP sov games, no industry, no mining, no missions, no incursions..."

This is basically Singularity's environment. I concur that EVE as a whole is far greater than any specific part of EVE.

So

Apparently us high sec dwellers are cowards and never do any pvp, we run from conflict and we hide doing missions and mining and according to pvp pilots, we are ruining the game and we never stop complaining.

Okay, let's fix it CCP, let's try it for a week, let's put the server into what im calling a ghost phase. Here is what you will need to do.

All industrial ships will need to be removed
All blueprints will need to be removed
All star bases will need to run on PI only goods, no wait, ud need blueprints for that, no, remove starbases fuel needs.
Change all empire 0.5-0.9 except for RENS/AMARR/DODXIEI/JITA and leave those as 1.0 systems for market hubs

You will need to seed all ships/modules at set prices.

You will need to remove refining as industry is no longer needed.

And Then we will see how this will go down with your *real* player base, not the 25% vocal majority

So CCP, lets try it out, lets do what they want, lets change EVE to pure PVP sov games, no industry, no mining, no missions, no incursions, nothing that makes ISK *easily* and make everything hard and serious *RISK VERSES REWARD* and see what happens.

Personally

EvE = Dead game

But, lets give it a try, lets do what they want, im being dead serious, lets do it, lets really do it, lets show them how screwed up the game would be if it was pure PVP based with no carebears, SHOW THEM

Insults so far:

Troll
Fail
*******
Man living in his mums basement
No clue about eve at all
Stupid
Should be war decced non stop (simply because i posted a forum idea)

Please feel free to add, i am simply highlighting the reprehensible behaviour of eve players.

"lets change EVE to pure PVP sov games, no industry, no mining, no missions, no incursions..."

This is basically Singularity's environment. I concur that EVE as a whole is far greater than any specific part of EVE.

People pay to play. If you pay for my account I will gladly play the way you ask. Untill then I will pay my $14.99 per month and play the game how I choose not you. Carebares dont force manufacturing on you so why force pvp on those who dont want it?

To each is own. If I dont like it then I stop paying.

5 Pages of trolls

Well, after posting a good idea

5 Pages of trolls including ccp devs

No wonder people hate ccp and the lack fo forum policing

Well, after posting a good idea

5 Pages of trolls including ccp devs

No wonder people hate ccp and the lack fo forum policing

I'm sorry that reality does not live up to your expectations, but sometimes, it's just a good idea to wake up.

Awsum, even a dumbass dev doesnt understand the forum post

great, no wonder eve is screwed up

5 Pages of trolls

The OP had some really awesome and original ideas

and YOU trolled the thread!

it's people like you who killed Jesus

Is that including the first page due to the first post?

Well, after posting a good idea

5 Pages of trolls including ccp devs

No wonder people hate ccp and the lack fo forum policing

Bottom line is, all pvpers whine they want carebears in null and low, why, because its easy kills, there is no other reason, there is no other point, it is simply that

Now you're stating the obvious.





@ op, stop whinging, go and chill out for a bit.

should be titled op troll post + variable X amount of troll-back posts.

I was told there were sweet n' sour wings in this thread for only .25c each?

ill give you some buffalo wings, (actual winged buffalo) for .30c each.

Well, after posting a good idea

6 Pages of trolls including ccp devs

Isn't that one of those special mounts you get in WoW?

Well, after posting a good idea

6 Pages of trolls including ccp devs

No wonder people hate ccp and the lack fo forum policing

This is your forums CCP, well done

Absolutely amazing

Well, after posting a good idea

6 Pages of trolls including ccp devs

No wonder people hate ccp and the lack fo forum policing

This is your forums CCP, well done

Absolutely amazing

Well, after posting a good idea

6 Pages of trolls including ccp devs

No wonder people hate ccp and the lack fo forum policing

This is your forums CCP, well done

Absolutely amazing

Business, not player vs player and you can play that tune all you like

So come on, lets change the game, lets put it pure shooty shooty pvp

"lets change EVE to pure PVP sov games, no industry, no mining, no missions, no incursions..."

This is basically Singularity's environment. I concur that EVE as a whole is far greater than any specific part of EVE.

EDIT: I'm reading through the thread and the amount of stupidity is appalling. What is this WoW forums?

It was a good thread but every moron on the forums decided to troll him.

Well, after posting a good idea

6 Pages of trolls including ccp devs

No wonder people hate ccp and the lack fo forum policing

This is your forums CCP, well done

Absolutely amazing

EDIT: I'm reading through the thread and the amount of stupidity is appalling. What is this WoW forums?

Well, after posting a good idea

6 Pages of trolls including ccp devs

No wonder people hate ccp and the lack fo forum policing

This is your forums CCP, well done

Absolutely amazing

He wasn't being serious. He was trying to prove a point, and when I read the thread before he changed it I actually understood what he was saying.

It was a good thread but every moron on the forums decided to troll him.

His thread basically said that EvE as a whole is what makes it so good, I can't believe why nobody understood it.

I think these posts aren't trolls but in fact just people who don't read or just don't understand anything.


EDIT: I'm reading through the thread and the amount of stupidity is appalling. What is this WoW forums?

So

Apparently us high sec dwellers are cowards and never do any pvp, we run from conflict and we hide doing missions and mining and according to pvp pilots, we are ruining the game and we never stop complaining.

im being dead serious,

He wasn't being serious. He was trying to prove a point, and when I read the thread before he changed it I actually understood what he was saying.

It was a good thread but every moron on the forums decided to troll him.

His thread basically said that EvE as a whole is what makes it so good, I can't believe why nobody understood it.

I think these posts aren't trolls but in fact just people who don't read or just don't understand anything.


EDIT: I'm reading through the thread and the amount of stupidity is appalling. What is this WoW forums?

I said exactly what you said you thought he was trying to say. Evidently I understood that, as I said it. I have no idea why people thought I was trolling.