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Also, 355 Caracals would surely kill a Tengu. It'd run outta ammo at some point.

Also, 355 Caracals would surely kill a Tengu. It'd run outta ammo at some point.

Well if you based it on cost (and adding Caracals till the cost was close to equal), then the Tengu might be outmatched.


I don't know Tengus well enough to state either way.
Edit: or Caracals for that matter, or how much either costs these days.

Some of you may be under the mistaken impression that untanked Hulks do well against Tornados, but I'm going to show you why that's not true. Hear me out:

1.) EHP vs. Alpha: Tornados have a Alpha and higher dps than an untanked Hulks EHP when fit properly, meaning the Hulk cannot last as long in a fight between the two.

2.) Probing/Cloaky alt setup: this allows the Tornado to close in to gank range easily, preventing the Hulk from taking advantage of its potentially superior AFK ability. Due to the improperly balanced effects of using cearbear logic, MLU's will not slow the Tornado's damage very much.

3.) covert ops cloak: with this, the Tornado's alt allows him to be more mobile than the Hulk, and can more easily dictate how quick the tears begin.

4.) probes bonus: Tornados with the scanning alt can detect Hulks with combat scanner probes, faster than the Hulk pilot can find the Tornado. This gives the Tornado even more advantage when it comes to initiating the attack.

Thoughts?

On a pure cost/isk factor the tengu would win (if the tengu has implants/heat/links and the caracals woudnt), a 3bil tengu can tank, with heat vs dumb opponents using scourge fury, around 209 caracals (or 61k caracal paper dps) , which would put the cost of them at ca. 20mil per caracal at about 4.1bil. Which would mean the tengu is more cost efficient!

(of course if the caracals are smart and use navy mjolnir and the tengu doesnt heat the number drop to the tengu just beeing able to tank 45 caracals at once).


(also a superpimp tengu, droping the web for a second invul with heat and ragnarok links instead of loki links would be able to tank 607 caracals at once)


So yes tengus are good at fighting caracals!

Nerf tengus!

/sarcasm

Proteus can have more total mid slots which allows it to fit enough target painters and deadspace webs to be able to use railguns at close range and while orbiting its target. Thus it gains a range advantage over the Thorax.

Legion capacitor subsystem plus capacitor cost reduction for lasers means that it can keep up the laser fire long enough to break the Maller's tank.

100MN afterburner Loki can orbit in a tighter circle, so that the Stabber can't track it.

Some of you may be under the mistaken impression that untanked Hulks do well against Tornados, but I'm going to show you why that's not true. Hear me out:

1.) EHP vs. Alpha: Tornados have a Alpha and higher dps than an untanked Hulks EHP when fit properly, meaning the Hulk cannot last as long in a fight between the two.

2.) Probing/Cloaky alt setup: this allows the Tornado to close in to gank range easily, preventing the Hulk from taking advantage of its potentially superior AFK ability. Due to the improperly balanced effects of using cearbear logic, MLU's will not slow the Tornado's damage very much.

3.) covert ops cloak: with this, the Tornado's alt allows him to be more mobile than the Hulk, and can more easily dictate how quick the tears begin.

4.) probes bonus: Tornados with the scanning alt can detect Hulks with combat scanner probes, faster than the Hulk pilot can find the Tornado. This gives the Tornado even more advantage when it comes to initiating the attack.

Thoughts?

I fly a solo Caracal all the time. I killed an Erebus the other day in one.

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