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Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc 195	Posted - 2012.08.13 23:51:00 - [1] - Quote Some of you may be under the mistaken impression that Caracals do well against Tengus, but I'm going to show you why that's not true. Hear me out: 1.) regeneration rate vs. DPS: Tengus have a faster regeneration rate and higher dps than caracals when fit properly, meaning the caracal cannot last as long in a fight between the two. 2.) 100MN afterburner setup: this allows the tengu to close into missile range easily, preventing the caracal from taking advantage of its potentially superior range. Due to the improperly balanced mass effects of using a battleship prop on a cruiser, webifiers will not slow the Tengu very much while it is using the 100MN afterburner. 3.) covert ops cloak: with this, the tengu is more mobile than the caracal and can more easily dictate how the battle begins. 4.) probes bonus: Tengus with the scanning subsystem can detect caracals with combat scanner probes faster than the caracal pilot can find the tengu. This gives the tengu even more advantage when it comes to initiating the attack. Thoughts? -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 1806	Posted - 2012.08.14 00:17:00 - [2] - Quote Who in the hell would think that the Caracal could compete with a Tengu in any possible way? -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Zenos Ebeth Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 25	Posted - 2012.08.14 00:25:00 - [3] - Quote Where the hell did you get the idea that a caracal stood any kind of chance agaisn't a tengu ?
Equus Royal Order of Security Specialists Late Night Alliance 30	Posted - 2012.08.14 00:36:00 - [4] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Who in the hell would think that the Caracal could compete with a Tengu in any possible way? -Liang
Caleidascope Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 119	Posted - 2012.08.14 00:49:00 - [5] - Quote Hm, tengu lobbing missiles from 100km away while caracal trying to catch up with it's 60? km range. Oh yeah, caracal got zero chance. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat desert first!
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 607	Posted - 2012.08.14 00:58:00 - [6] - Quote Your straw man is burning. Or by any chance did you mean Cerberus?
Taoist Dragon Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 22	Posted - 2012.08.14 01:17:00 - [7] - Quote Got to be a troll. How can anyone think a low tier (while we still have tiers) T1 cruiser can take on a T3 is...like...wow...mind blown! That is the Way, the Tao. Balance is everything.
Shereza Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 30	Posted - 2012.08.14 01:31:00 - [8] - Quote Sorry folks, I think it's my fault he started this topic. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1791910#post1791910 Reaver Glitterstim wrote: And no matter what someone says, they could say that tengus are good at fighting caracals, and you'd have some issue with that.
jimmyjam Deadspace Exploration Conglomerate Clockwork Pineapple 51	Posted - 2012.08.14 01:46:00 - [9] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Who in the hell would think that the Caracal could compete with a Tengu in any possible way? -Liang this all day
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc 195	Posted - 2012.08.14 02:04:00 - [10] - Quote Shereza wrote: Sorry folks, I think it's my fault he started this topic. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1791910#post1791910 Reaver Glitterstim wrote: These forums are full of people like you, who come on here only to tell people that they're wrong. And no matter what someone says, they could say that tengus are good at fighting caracals, and you'd have some issue with that. Shereza wrote: Like the facts that tengus are hideous on insurance and base price and as such not a very cost-effective method of fighting caracals no matter how effective they are? Yeah, I think I can manage that. Doesn't mean I'm wrong, merely that I have an eye for flaws. Just putting this here. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens
Jude Lloyd Heretic Army Heretic Nation 414	Posted - 2012.08.14 02:33:00 - [11] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Who in the hell would think that the Caracal could compete with a Tengu in any possible way? -Liang Unless its a shitfit PVE Tengu with another idiotic PVE pilot at the helm. Then a Caracal could get the kill :P But yeah, why even make a thread about this? No one views a Caracal as a competitor to the Tengu. Heretic Army Warlord and Diplomat Host of Frigfest http://judelloyd.blog.com/ http://kbarmy.heretic-army.biz/
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 1218	Posted - 2012.08.14 02:55:00 - [12] - Quote Well if you based it on cost (and adding Caracals till the cost was close to equal), then the Tengu might be outmatched. I don't know Tengus well enough to state either way.
Noisrevbus 194	Posted - 2012.08.14 03:05:00 - [13] - Quote If there's 200 Caracals and 2 Tengus, then surely...
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 1218	Posted - 2012.08.14 03:12:00 - [14] - Quote Noisrevbus wrote: If there's 200 Caracals and 2 Tengus, then surely... ... the node would lag like hell.
Diesel47 Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 37	Posted - 2012.08.14 03:34:00 - [15] - Quote 6/10
RavenPaine RaVeN Alliance 152	Posted - 2012.08.14 03:39:00 - [16] - Quote I took the bait... Because for a split second I thought there was some big secret about Caracals I wasn't aware of. +1 for the troll thread. You got me. gf. I feel icky now and might need to take a shower
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc 195	Posted - 2012.08.14 07:32:00 - [17] - Quote I'm with you guys on this one. I don't think a Caracal stands much chance against a Tengu. I don't know if you noticed, though, but Shereza (the reason I made this thread) did exactly what I said she would and claimed that it actually was feasible for Caracals to be cost-effective against Tengus. I don't think I need to explain this to those of you who are the least bit familiar with either ship, but the only way for Caracals to be cost-effective against a Tengu is for you to get several buddies to fly them against a Tengu. But if you're bringing numbers into the game, it's eventually no longer about using Caracals, now it's about using numbers. I still wouldn't call it cost-effective because about 25% more Rifters could beat the Tengu, and for much less ship cost. A solo Caracal could potentially win a reasonably fair fight (read: not a carefully set up cheap shot) with a Tengu, if the Tengu had only tech 2 modules on it, and the Caracal had many faction and officer modules on it, and it was a Navy Caracal. Then it would undoubtedly cost MUCH more than the Tengu, but would still probably have the odds stacked against it. Really, really against it. But I think it's conceivable it could win. On the other end of the spectrum, a cheap-ish Caracal (about 15-20 mil) flown by a pilot with decent Caracal skills is much cheaper than a Tengu but doesn't even make so much as a dent in one. If the Tengu pilot were to duel with the Caracal pilot (who has many Caracals ready to go in his hangar) and every time the Tengu destroyed the Caracal, it would become frozen in stasis while the Caracal pilot got a new ship to re-join the fight, and assuming the Tengu has a passive tank, then it is conceivable that the Caracal pilot might destroy the Tengu after losing approximately the same value in Caracals, possibly less. But that's a pretty big "if" there. In all reasonableness, please don't fly a Caracal against a Tengu. If you see a red flashy Tengu and you're in a Caracal, just sh+¼t yourself and exit the game. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens
Paikis Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 114	Posted - 2012.08.14 08:14:00 - [18] - Quote Reaver Glitterstim wrote: I'm with you guys on this one. I don't think a Caracal stands much chance against a Tengu. I don't know if you noticed, though, but Shereza (the reason I made this thread) did exactly what I said she would and claimed that it actually was feasible for Caracals to be cost-effective against Tengus. What? Of course Caracals will be cost effective against Tengus. Tengus are ridiculously expensive for what you get. For the 700-800mil you would spend on a tengu, I can buy a lot of caracals. It wouldn't COST anywhere near 800mil in Caracals to kill a Tengu. Thus, Caracals are cost effective against Tengus.
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc 196	Posted - 2012.08.14 08:16:00 - [19] - Quote There it is. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens
terzslave RedStar Enterprises RED Citizens 26	Posted - 2012.08.14 08:46:00 - [20] - Quote ........................
Digg Kula DK Laboratory 1	Posted - 2012.08.14 08:58:00 - [21] - Quote Doesn't the tengu have 127km heavy missile range?
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc 197	Posted - 2012.08.14 09:11:00 - [22] - Quote Digg Kula wrote: Doesn't the tengu have 127km heavy missile range? Yeah, so does the Caracal. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens
Darius Brinn Iberians Iberians. 78	Posted - 2012.08.14 11:41:00 - [23] - Quote I'm anxiously waiting for another thread explaining, in a similar fashion to this one, why my Thorax can't brawl as well as a Proteus, despite being more cost effective in a DPS per isk chart. After that, we might try to analyze why Legions are good at fighting Mallers, and why properly fit Lokis might stand a chance against Stabbers.
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc 198	Posted - 2012.08.14 13:15:00 - [24] - Quote Darius Brinn wrote: I'm anxiously waiting for another thread explaining, in a similar fashion to this one, why my Thorax can't brawl as well as a Proteus, despite being more cost effective in a DPS per isk chart. After that, we might try to analyze why Legions are good at fighting Mallers, and why properly fit Lokis might stand a chance against Stabbers. Proteus can have more total mid slots which allows it to fit enough target painters and deadspace webs to be able to use railguns at close range and while orbiting its target. Thus it gains a range advantage over the Thorax. Legion capacitor subsystem plus capacitor cost reduction for lasers means that it can keep up the laser fire long enough to break the Maller's tank. 100MN afterburner Loki can orbit in a tighter circle, so that the Stabber can't track it. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens
Ayuren Aakiwa Wyvern Operations Eternal Syndicate 25	Posted - 2012.08.14 13:16:00 - [25] - Quote Easily the dumbest thread I've seen on eveo. Wtf gave you the impression that caracals are good against tengus, I can't think of one thing the caracal is better at. Gtfo op. pew pew 24/7
Michael Harari The Hatchery Team Liquid 215	Posted - 2012.08.14 13:41:00 - [26] - Quote Reaver Glitterstim wrote: [ 100MN afterburner Loki can orbit in a tighter circle, so that the Stabber can't track it. 100mn loki can orbit in like a 30km circle. Thats not really tight
MisterNick The Sagan Clan Pax Romana Alliance 83	Posted - 2012.08.14 16:58:00 - [27] - Quote 7/10 for still getting people to reply after you informed them it was a troll thread "Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom."
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 648	Posted - 2012.08.14 18:53:00 - [28] - Quote 6/10 brb
Shereza Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2012.08.14 19:31:00 - [29] - Quote Reaver Glitterstim wrote: I don't know if you noticed, though, but Shereza (the reason I made this thread) did exactly what I said she would and claimed that it actually was feasible for Caracals to be cost-effective against Tengus. Claiming to do things you never did? Check. Claiming others said things they didn't? Check. Making outlandish statements to provoke responses? Check. Smells like poor, and obvious, trolling? Check. I don't mind playing with trolls, but only when they're smart about their trolling. You aren't.
Anvil44 Independent Traders and Builders MPA 108	Posted - 2012.08.14 19:36:00 - [30] - Quote So how do I get these few minutes of my life back from reading what has to be the worst thread post yet. Feel like I just watched an argument between my 6 yr old daughter(original poster) and my 20 yr old daughter. sigh The childishness never goes away. I suppose in some universe saying 'cost-effective' actually equals saying 'as effective'. However, not in the Eve universe, nor the one I currently inhabit. Going to wash my hands and get a drink of water. Maybe then I will feel better... I may not like you or your point of view but you have a right to voice it.

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