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Conventia Underking Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.30 07:21:00 - [61] I support the proper education of all of New Eden's children and thank Angel Wing for their contribution to that end.
Sakura Imoru	Posted - 2010.12.30 08:19:00 - [62] Mister Mokk once quoted someone. I think as a proper reply to this topic I will quote this man's biggest opponent: No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power tyrants and dictators cannot stand. The Amarr learned that lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
Lord Maximullis Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2010.12.30 13:06:00 - [63] Originally by: Sakura Imoru Mister Mokk once quoted someone. I think as a proper reply to this topic I will quote this man's biggest opponent: No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power tyrants and dictators cannot stand. The Amarr learned that lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. Well put. New Eden's children must be taught not to close their minds in any faith but to keep them open to the scientific methods of observation, experimentation and argument. Indoctrinating children in any faith is tantamount to child abuse. If the faith is so attractive for whatever reason then they will convert in adulthood once they have the faculties to look at the dogmas and doctrines from an objective point of view. I differ from those of faith in that I do not want to push my anti-theistic views onto children, but rather give them the tools to work the question of faith out for themselves. Attempting to indoctrinate children is morally reprehensible and it ******s the progress of society. deus est malum
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.12.30 13:24:00 - [64] I have to admit I am quite surprised to agree with lord Maximulis again. Originally by: Anabella Rella Originally by: Lyn Farel Which traditional teachings are you refering to ? You know, the ones that tell you that Amarrians are the chosen people commanded by your deity to rule over all of us "lesser" races, that you should invade and forcibly convert everyone to your religion and culture, that our "wayward" spirits need to be broken and forced to serve you via hundreds of years of slavery, that after 9 generations of "service to the empire" the "freedom" to live in the empire as a second-class person who exists to serve Amarrian whims, just little things like that. Did I leave anything out? Probably the inherited sentences and punishment of entire families / houses for the crime of a single member. Thank you for the clarification. Though I am always sadened to see the empire opposants still confusing the outdated traditionalists with the progressives. No wonder people like U'K and miss Imoru live in the past. Don't tell me you consider the republic citizens are all the same.
Lord Maximullis Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2010.12.30 13:40:00 - [65] Originally by: Lyn Farel I have to admit I am quite surprised to agree with lord Maximulis again. Probably the inherited sentences and punishment of entire families / houses for the crime of a single member. Thank you for the clarification. Though I am always sadened to see the empire opposants still confusing the outdated traditionalists with the progressives. No wonder people like U'K and miss Imoru live in the past. Don't tell me you consider the republic citizens are all the same. I am surprised to be agreeing with you Ms. Farel. Although compensation should be payed, the slaves freed, all of them, an official notice from the Empire pledging to respect the borders of all nations and an apology to the subjected peoples. Then and only then will the Empire have redeemed itself. You are right in that individuals should not have to pay for the crimes of their forbears but nations should pay and apologies for the crimes in their history. After that short digression I am pleased to see that the moderates and progressives in the Empire are ascendant.
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.12.30 14:22:00 - [66] Originally by: Lord Maximullis After that short digression I am pleased to see that the moderates and progressives in the Empire are ascendant. Are they? I mean there are a few around who talk a lot and yell about being tarred with the same brush as the vast majority of their peers, but they don't seem to do much about reform.
Anabella Rella Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.12.30 16:13:00 - [67] Edited by: Anabella Rella on 30/12/2010 16:15:24 Originally by: Borza Slavak Are they? I mean there are a few around who talk a lot and yell about being tarred with the same brush as the vast majority of their peers, but they don't seem to do much about reform. To be fair Pilot Slavak there's not a great deal that even the most progressive Amarrian can do within their ossified and tradition bound society. To come out in favor of the radical reforms that you and I would find acceptable would be to run opposite to centuries of tradition and, most importantly, religious orthodoxy. They would immediately be branded heretical by their peers, arrested, tried and found guilty by the Theology Council and enslaved themselves along with their families. Even though from an emotional viewpoint it pains me greatly to be saying this, from a rational view I feel this to be true; the Empire is a huge, lumbering beast that cannot be turned instantly, no matter how much we feel it should. We'll have to give the majority of Amarrian society and their rulers time to catch up to the progressive view. In the meantime, I'll continue to fight, by whatever means I see fit, the traditionalists who hold my people in bondage. That includes snakes like Merdaneth. -------------------------------------------------- What you want is irrelevant. What you've chosen is at hand.
Kathryn Dougans Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.30 16:19:00 - [68] Originally by: Sakura Imoru freedom Curious to know, would this be the freedom to accuse, try, convict and execute people within the span of 2-3 hours, as you said the Republic Justice Department does? The Republic Justice Department that you said you are an agent of? Or is it some other freedom? Being a single mother is quite hard.
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.12.30 17:29:00 - [69] Edited by: Lyn Farel on 30/12/2010 17:31:47 Edited by: Lyn Farel on 30/12/2010 17:30:20 Do not think the whole Empire still obeys to the old fashioned rules and traditions. The very feodalistic nature of the imperial administration allows it more diversity than in the monolithic way a lot of people see it. Especially since the release of the slaves by the empress, the rules can be bend, and the Scriptures be interpreted in slight different ways. The universe evolve and the Empire with it. Do not think the Empire is the only government that has to change. The other ones still have at least equally their own sins to redeem. Originally by: Lord Maximullis Although compensation should be payed, the slaves freed, all of them, an official notice from the Empire pledging to respect the borders of all nations and an apology to the subjected peoples. Then and only then will the Empire have redeemed itself. Indeed. But freeing all the slaves is a little easy to say. Even if I agree on the whole concept, the matter is way more complicated than just slaves to free. The slaves are by nature all very different from each other, each case being quite unique in itself. It would be way more effective to act for the release of the immoral slaves (the limited amount of offsprings of the old Days of Darkness, inherited slaves, etc) and a global reform in favor of a more modern slavery, which I usually call "servitude", for the criminals and the likes, which include captured matari terrorists of course. The first ones remaining the priority for questions of decency. Slave trading also has to be more regulated and must answer to precise criterias and rules. Progressives too, possess slaves. Maybe the term is wrong, though, even if they share basically the same judicial status. Originally by: Borza Slavak Originally by: Lord Maximullis After that short digression I am pleased to see that the moderates and progressives in the Empire are ascendant. Are they? I mean there are a few around who talk a lot and yell about being tarred with the same brush as the vast majority of their peers, but they don't seem to do much about reform. And what would you suggest ? The moderates and progressive citizens in the Empire are bond by what miss Rella explained above, because the Empire laws and adminstration have always been a question of balance between conservatives and liberals, which seems very logical. The amarrian capsuleers sharing these beliefs are... capsuleers, and are by their very status a parallel entity. Their own advantages of being quite above the regular powers of the Theology Council is also their flaw, as they are now too much untied of the regular politics of the Empire. Their political power is very limited, but our influence increases by the guiding light of our ideals and actions. Remember since the empress release of the day of darkness slaves, that is not really your citizens that are held in slavery, but mostly your criminals.
Sakura Imoru	Posted - 2010.12.30 17:39:00 - [70] Originally by: Kathryn Dougans Originally by: Sakura Imoru freedom Curious to know, would this be the freedom to accuse, try, convict and execute people within the span of 2-3 hours, as you said the Republic Justice Department does? The Republic Justice Department that you said you are an agent of? Or is it some other freedom? If the evidences were as obvious as they were in these cases: Yes. Those people were traitors to their own people.

Silas Vitalia Khanid Provincial Vanguard Black Inquisition	Posted - 2010.12.30 17:39:00 - [71] Edited by: Silas Vitalia on 30/12/2010 17:39:42 Originally by: Lyn Farel Liberal Drivel This lowers our opinion of the KOMC quite a bit, are these sentiments common in your organization? Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
Aria Jenneth Caldari Kumiho's Smile Naraka.	Posted - 2010.12.30 18:27:00 - [72] Originally by: Sakura Imoru Originally by: Kathryn Dougans Originally by: Sakura Imoru freedom Curious to know, would this be the freedom to accuse, try, convict and execute people within the span of 2-3 hours, as you said the Republic Justice Department does? The Republic Justice Department that you said you are an agent of? Or is it some other freedom? If the evidences were as obvious as they were in these cases: Yes. Those people were traitors to their own people. Emphasis mine. While I can't be too hard on Achura or other Caldari who support the Matari cause (after all, like the Gallente, the Amarr are a threat to all of us), I suggest that you not say these words too loudly, pilot-- especially as a justification for swift execution.
Lord Maximullis Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2010.12.30 18:31:00 - [73] Originally by: Silas Vitalia This lowers our opinion of the KOMC quite a bit, are these sentiments common in your organization? Comical reactionary.
Silas Vitalia Khanid Provincial Vanguard Black Inquisition	Posted - 2010.12.30 19:26:00 - [74] Originally by: Lord Maximullis Originally by: Silas Vitalia This lowers our opinion of the KOMC quite a bit, are these sentiments common in your organization? Comical reactionary. Irrelevant race-traitor. Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
Kathryn Dougans Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.30 19:57:00 - [75] Originally by: Aria Jenneth Originally by: Sakura Imoru Originally by: Kathryn Dougans Originally by: Sakura Imoru freedom Curious to know, would this be the freedom to accuse, try, convict and execute people within the span of 2-3 hours, as you said the Republic Justice Department does? The Republic Justice Department that you said you are an agent of? Or is it some other freedom? If the evidences were as obvious as they were in these cases: Yes. Those people were traitors to their own people. Emphasis mine. While I can't be too hard on Achura or other Caldari who support the Matari cause (after all, like the Gallente, the Amarr are a threat to all of us), I suggest that you not say these words too loudly, pilot-- especially as a justification for swift execution. Ms. Imoru claims the evidence was "obvious" enough that this is justified. She claimed to have apprehended staff of these orphanages that Angel Wing has an interest in. And ordered her crew to execute them. Supposedly after a "fair trial" by the Republic Justice Department. Capt. Merdaneth has not indicated there has been any problem, so... what are we to think here? 1. Capt. Merdaneth is covering this up and the staff of the orphanages were arrested and executed for "treason" after a "fair trial", this whole process of arrest, investigation and trial lasting less than a couple hours. This makes the Republic look bad, undermines the arguments of the Amarr liberals, and reinforces those of the Amarr hardliners. 2. Capt. Merdaneth is not covering anything up, and it was some other unfortunate persons entirely unconnected with this whole affair that were arrested and executed for "treason" after the "fair trial". This also makes the Republic look bad, undermines the arguments of the Amarr liberals, and reinforces those of the Amarr hardliners. 3. Ms. Imoru is an agent of the Amarr hardliners, tasked with making the Republic look bad, thereby undermining arguments of the Amarr liberals. 4. Ms. Imoru is, contrary to what she says she is, not an agent of the Republic Justice Department, and seized some random Minmatar civilians and executed them. Which I believe would fall under "murder" in the Republic. If such things are common, then this makes the Republic look bad, undermines the arguments of the Amarr liberals, and reinforces those of the Amarr hardliners. 5. Jovians did it. Which also makes the Republic look bad, undermines the arguments of the Amarr liberals, and reinforces those of the Amarr hardliners. Being a single mother is quite hard.
Tiberious Thessalonia	Posted - 2010.12.30 19:59:00 - [76] Originally by: Sakura Imoru Mister Mokk once quoted someone. I think as a proper reply to this topic I will quote this man's biggest opponent: No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power tyrants and dictators cannot stand. The Amarr learned that lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. I agree with this, 100%
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.12.30 20:17:00 - [77] Originally by: Silas Vitalia Edited by: Silas Vitalia on 30/12/2010 17:39:42 Originally by: Lyn Farel Liberal Drivel This lowers our opinion of the KOMC quite a bit, are these sentiments common in your organization? I do not know. Will you ask them yourself ? Your opinion is far from being the acme of my preoccupations, anyway.
Silas Vitalia Khanid Provincial Vanguard Black Inquisition	Posted - 2010.12.30 20:34:00 - [78] Originally by: Lyn Farel Your opinion is far from being the acme of my preoccupations, anyway. I understand completely! I see that coming up with such elaborate rationales for your moral lapses must in fact be your chief preoccupation. Do continue. smiles Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2010.12.30 20:44:00 - [79] Edited by: Lyn Farel on 30/12/2010 20:44:32 Are that the only things ou have to say ? Childish mockery and churlish comments ? Those do not suit you very well.
Silas Vitalia Khanid Provincial Vanguard Black Inquisition	Posted - 2010.12.30 20:51:00 - [80] Out of respect for Merdaneth I will refrain from derailing this topic any further. Contact me in privately, any of you, should you wish to -discuss- any of these matters. Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!

Sakura Imoru	Posted - 2010.12.30 21:40:00 - [81] Originally by: Kathryn Dougans Ms. Imoru claims the evidence was "obvious" enough that this is justified. She claimed to have apprehended staff of these orphanages that Angel Wing has an interest in. And ordered her crew to execute them. Supposedly after a "fair trial" by the Republic Justice Department. Capt. Merdaneth has not indicated there has been any problem, so... what are we to think here? 1. Capt. Merdaneth is covering this up and the staff of the orphanages were arrested and executed for "treason" after a "fair trial", this whole process of arrest, investigation and trial lasting less than a couple hours. This makes the Republic look bad, undermines the arguments of the Amarr liberals, and reinforces those of the Amarr hardliners. 2. Capt. Merdaneth is not covering anything up, and it was some other unfortunate persons entirely unconnected with this whole affair that were arrested and executed for "treason" after the "fair trial". This also makes the Republic look bad, undermines the arguments of the Amarr liberals, and reinforces those of the Amarr hardliners. 3. Ms. Imoru is an agent of the Amarr hardliners, tasked with making the Republic look bad, thereby undermining arguments of the Amarr liberals. 4. Ms. Imoru is, contrary to what she says she is, not an agent of the Republic Justice Department, and seized some random Minmatar civilians and executed them. Which I believe would fall under "murder" in the Republic. If such things are common, then this makes the Republic look bad, undermines the arguments of the Amarr liberals, and reinforces those of the Amarr hardliners. 5. Jovians did it. Which also makes the Republic look bad, undermines the arguments of the Amarr liberals, and reinforces those of the Amarr hardliners. or 6. Merdaneth underestimated the RJD and RSS, which were able to track back some of the money flow and shipments from those orphanage directors back to the Empire. I never said we have found all of them yet, but in time we will.
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.12.30 21:47:00 - [82] Thanks to several generous donators I've amassed quite a volume of goods that would help the orphanages in Amarr. Seeing as Republic Fleet security forces tend to open fire on any ship I fly in their space, even an unarmed Bestower carrying harmless goods, I would like someone to do me another favor: Can someone transport the goods from Amarr to Rens? I will break up the goods there is smaller parcels and send them on the orphanages. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Sakura Imoru	Posted - 2010.12.30 22:04:00 - [83] Originally by: Sakura Imoru or 6. Merdaneth underestimated the RJD and RSS, which were able to track back some of the money flow and shipments from those orphanage directors back to the Empire. I never said we have found all of them yet, but in time we will. If there are any further doubts about those trials, we also found this handwritten letter in one of those director's office: Quote: Dear Friend, I hope you are well. I have send you this message in physical form to bypass all the security filters no doubt set by several people and agencies around everything to do with orphanages. I have received several substantial contributions and hope to ship a part of that to your location soon. Of course you need to 'buy' it through a local dealer to have the shipment appear inconspicuous. I will arrange an appropriate contact for you. My advice would be to lay low for now, misguided as they are, some of these Republic supporters are quite the fanatic. It might be necessary to skip a prayer class or two, the kids can always make up for it later. Leave any messages at the hidden relay post, I will pick them up as soon as I am able. Go with God M. A questioned document examination by experts of both the RJD and the RSS confirmed it to be the handwriting of Merdaneth.
Kazzzi Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.12.31 04:52:00 - [84] Originally by: Anabella Rella To be fair Pilot Slavak there's not a great deal that even the most progressive Amarrian can do within their ossified and tradition bound society. Yes there is. **** tradition and social mores, we're recruiting.
Sakura Imoru	Posted - 2010.12.31 08:14:00 - [85] Originally by: Merdaneth Thanks to several generous donators I've amassed quite a volume of goods that would help the orphanages in Amarr. Seeing as Republic Fleet security forces tend to open fire on any ship I fly in their space, even an unarmed Bestower carrying harmless goods, I would like someone to do me another favor: Can someone transport the goods from Amarr to Rens? I will break up the goods there is smaller parcels and send them on the orphanages. The RJD is willing to pay 15 million ISK if this shipment is handed over to us for a closer inspection. Please deliver it to our headquarters in Arlulf III - Moon 11 - Republic Justice Department Law School. You will be paid on delivery.
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2011.01.01 19:55:00 - [86] Originally by: Sakura Imoru A questioned document examination by experts of both the RJD and the RSS confirmed it to be the handwriting of Merdaneth. This seems to be one of my messages. Additionally, I've not heard from one of the orphanages in a few days. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Rytha Main Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.01 20:35:00 - [87] Dear Lord Merdaneth, Upon hearing of your endeavors, I sent out a cable to all of the colonies under my jurisdiction, if anything to enliver and encourage them. I received many positive responses. However one in particular was of note. Dear Lady Main, Our colony was very touched by your gracious note and of the pious efforts of Lord Merdaneth on behalf of those less fortunate. Some of your slaves Organized a drive in order to send hope to the little ones in destitute Heimatar. With our last courier to Amarr, we were able to fit a Large Secured Container with the good requistioned. May they bless the little ones in the name of God. Yours, Noldana Tund Colony Administrator Oyeman II Here is a manifest of the goods for which I am contracting to you directly for distribution: 10 units Antibiotics 100 Units Galeptos Medicine 50 units biocells 50 units Construction Blocks 100 units Polytextiles 20 unites vaccines 5 units freed slaves 10 units Spiced Wine Additionally, at the turn of this year, I had 20 slaves granted/awarded freedom. All of them wished to remain under my stead to serve as advisors and administrators within my various industries. 5 however have volunteered to travel to the republic to serve under the auspices of Angel Wing in order to serve as mentors and counsellors in the faith to the young ones. And also, with a smile, the colony Administrator herself supplied 10 units of Spiced Wine to be enjoyed by the orphanage staff on occasions as you see fit. I hope this blesses Angel Wing, but more so the little ones. From myself, and those who donated, above all please convey to the children and your faithful staff, that these gifts are from God, and that they may honor Him. Blessings, Penitent Main
Sakura Imoru	Posted - 2011.01.01 21:21:00 - [88] Originally by: Merdaneth This seems to be one of my messages. Additionally, I've not heard from one of the orphanages in a few days. I rest my case. We will find the other traitors as well, be assured of this.
Jesmine Kyriel Amarr House Kyriel Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.02 09:11:00 - [89] Originally by: Sakura Imoru Originally by: Merdaneth This seems to be one of my messages. Additionally, I've not heard from one of the orphanages in a few days. I rest my case. We will find the other traitors as well, be assured of this. What did you do to the employees in the orphanage, Miss. Imoru? Did you kill them? What of the children? Did you kill them too? Or were they set to be 'saved' from their own orphanage's curriculum? _________________________ Reformist, loyal to the Amarrian Empire.
Leopold Caine Amarr Stillwater Corporation	Posted - 2011.01.02 09:53:00 - [90] Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel What of the children? Did you kill them too? Or were they set to be 'saved' from their own orphanage's curriculum? I'm sure Miss Imoru followed through with her savage agenda. Those children were, after all, traitors to their own people, and are tainted with amarrian indoctrination... or are we supposed to expect a drop of empathy and remorse from such a person? _______________________________________________________________________ .domination sentinel .stillwater



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