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Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1711
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Posted - 2012.08.14 13:42:00 -
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Nobody has access to my emails. I have allowed a CEO to view my mails for initial review into a corp...after that they get nothing. This isn't a problem with EVE. It's a problem with your friends having no balls to stand up for themselves and say no.
If a corp doesn't want me because they want to stick their noses up my ass where it does not belong then screw em. There are plenty of other corps out there that will accept me.
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
Cadfael Maelgwyn
Immortals of New Eden
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
106
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Posted - 2012.08.14 13:47:00 -
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I've noticed that corps have only started asking for Full APIs (read: everything checked on the checkboxes) since the transition from the old full/limited API system.
I suppose CEOs are just too lazy to go through the effort of deciding which checkboxes they actually need to see. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
139
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Posted - 2012.08.14 14:23:00 -
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Another reason why I play solo. Not giving my API to anyone... |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1711
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Posted - 2012.08.14 14:33:00 -
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There's nothing wrong with giving your limited API to someone...so long as you don't mind them reading through your crap. They cannot steal your account with the limited API even with all the check boxes checked.
The way I see it...either you want this 68mil SP, max logistics on all races, max missile, shield, armor, beam, Caldari and Amarr capital pilot...or you don't.
Yes...it may sound like me being cocky and bragging...but you know what? A lot of corps and alliance WANT pilots with the skills I have because they need em. If you want to pry into my ongoing business in EVE. Too bad. I am not a spy...but if I were...I wouldn't be dumbass enough to use my primary account for forwarding intel. =P
Pretty much what it comes down to is this. CEO's want to see all your info. They claim this is to prevent spies. Maybe this is true...maybe it isn't...fact of the matter is, it will do absolutely nothing. CEO has no way of knowing if I have alt accounts or not. I personally don't spy...too much meta gaming for me. But there is absolutely nothing I can do or say to prove that anyway. So why bother with API checks? It means nothing in the end.
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
926
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Posted - 2012.08.14 16:32:00 -
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You do realize there are email options other than eve? And chat channels in game cannot be monitored.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1148
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Posted - 2012.08.14 16:35:00 -
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H1ghwayman wrote:I've had friends tell me they can't talk to me anymore because the heads of their corps are reading through their emails to make sure they're not doing anything they don't like... This is screwed up... I really think it's time that API keys went away or were limited so that it's not possible for emails and private conversations to be monitored. If it's possible it will be expected. If people don't enjoy the game because they have no privacy they may not continue playing. I think it's best for everyone if the controlling pricks that insist on invading everyone's privacy had that ability taken away. Let private conversations remain private for everyone...
People use evemail? 
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Jimmy Gunsmythe
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
129
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:40:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:you should probably join a nullsec alliance, liberate yourself from highsec dictator oppression.
Did...did he really...I mean...did he just say...what I think he said?
*cheeks puff up...face turns red*
*snort...titter*
Maybe...maybe I misread...
*reads again, shorts involuntarily again*
Ha..gumphurgle...Haha...
Bwahahaha...a-hahahahaha! No way...no f*cking way! Hahahahaha! Kids say the cutest things sometimes!
*wipes tears from eyes*
Aw...I peed a little...
A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |
Pipa Porto
749
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:47:00 -
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Sabrina Solette wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:There's a checkbox when you make your API key that allows or disallows your mail to be read through the API key.
You are responsible for what information you allow people who possess your API keys to view. All well and good, but when you give people the opportunity to do so then people will try to take advantage of it. I'd say just get rid of the API.
If you don't want someone reading your mails, uncheck that check box. Simple as that.
If the Corp you're joining wants access as a condition of employment, well then it's up to you which you value more. Membership or Privacy.
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Gabrielle Lamb
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:53:00 -
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H1ghwayman wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:There's a checkbox when you make your API key that allows or disallows your mail to be read through the API key.
You are responsible for what information you allow people who possess your API keys to view. You're missing the point... If it's "standard" to give full access everyone will require it... So if you want into any corp that's worth a damn you have to do what is "STANDARD" which means allow full invasions of privacy... CCP is the only group that can change this.. Mail access needs to no longer be possible.... It's the only way. If someone is a spy they can use a different account and this access won't do any good anyways... This doesn't help. It only hurts peoples ability to enjoy the game. The types of people that demand this level of control are not the types of people it should be given too.... Yet narcissists always end up at the top because it's what they do naturally. They see a ladder, they must climb it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder^ Those are the people that demand it, use it, and hound players for who they talk to. They need to be declawed.... Please....
I completely agree with this. I intentionally left mail out on an application because I concider it private and it was requested almost instantly. It's not that I had something to hide but seriously, when paranioa becomes so strong you can't even keep your mail private in fear of spies and random awoxers something's ****** up.
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Sugar Kyle
The humbleless Crew
Capital Punishment.
86
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:56:00 -
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H1ghwayman wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:There's a checkbox when you make your API key that allows or disallows your mail to be read through the API key.
You are responsible for what information you allow people who possess your API keys to view. You're missing the point... If it's "standard" to give full access everyone will require it... So if you want into any corp that's worth a damn you have to do what is "STANDARD" which means allow full invasions of privacy... CCP is the only group that can change this.. Mail access needs to no longer be possible.... It's the only way. If someone is a spy they can use a different account and this access won't do any good anyways... This doesn't help. It only hurts peoples ability to enjoy the game. The types of people that demand this level of control are not the types of people it should be given too.... Yet narcissists always end up at the top because it's what they do naturally. They see a ladder, they must climb it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder^ Those are the people that demand it, use it, and hound players for who they talk to. They need to be declawed.... Please....
It is called standing up for yourself. They should try it. No one is forcing them to stay in said corporation.
Tilde soaked words from something kinda like a pirate. |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
1471
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Posted - 2012.08.14 18:01:00 -
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Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:you should probably join a nullsec alliance, liberate yourself from highsec dictator oppression. Did...did he really...I mean...did he just say...what I think he said?
never seen a 0.0 corp that demanded to read alliance members' e-mails
in reality highsec corps are often much more autocratic then the worst nullsec group
they live in fear of losing their pimp-fit mission ship or something |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
647
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Posted - 2012.08.14 18:06:00 -
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Anya Ohaya wrote:The best spies are the ones you recruit from inside.
Under 100billion don't even dare to mail me. For 100 bill You don't get much but for 2 or 300 billions things might start getting interesting 
brb |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
647
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Posted - 2012.08.14 18:09:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:So why bother with API checks? It means nothing in the end.
Paranoid mental unstable people might feel better. They don't need Api keys, they need doctors help
brb |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
108
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:24:00 -
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In all seriousness, any spy or thief worth their salt can make a character that no one can trace. The only real thing to watch is that certain promotions by CCP will link the accounts. Those characters are happy to give up their squeaky clean API's.
Secondly, there's no stopping someone from turning on you. They can have the best credentials in the world and then just decide they want your stuff more than your comradery.
Finally, in the case of the OP, there is no reason why they can't talk to you unless you really are a thief. The guys said their alliance checks their mails, not forbids them. I said that tinged with sarcasm earlier, but that really is the bottom line in relation to how the OP was worded. They are not forbidden to talk to you, they are being watched. If talking to you raises a red flag, it's for a reason.
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Homo Jesus
The LGBT Last Supper
33
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:34:00 -
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There are many ways to get a full api than just asking for it. I found this out and just laughed. I told the guy who had it I feel bad for whoever has to scrub those long winded pages of nonsense....
Here's the secret: Make everything above a 3rd grade reading level and 90% of people won't read it. Hell, most people can't type out "Too long; didn't read" without ADD kicking in. |
FluffyDice
Psykotic Meat
Fatal Ascension
221
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:29:00 -
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I think the OP's "friends" just don't want to talk to him. Either that or he's whining about a problem that doesn't really exist for attention. |
Maximus Hashur
Free Kandee
IDENTITY UNKN0WN
13
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:46:00 -
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H1ghwayman wrote:I've had friends tell me they can't talk to me anymore because the heads of their corps are reading through their emails to make sure they're not doing anything they don't like... This is screwed up... I really think it's time that API keys went away or were limited so that it's not possible for emails and private conversations to be monitored. If it's possible it will be expected. If people don't enjoy the game because they have no privacy they may not continue playing. I think it's best for everyone if the controlling pricks that insist on invading everyone's privacy had that ability taken away. Let private conversations remain private for everyone...
If you have nothing to hide, providing a full API is no big deal. I know the person in charge of my corp / alliance reads all of my emails (or at least some of them) and it doesn't bother me. I'm not doing or saying anything that I would have a problem talking to him about.
You have to realize that as you get more involved and deeper into this game, you can gain responsibilities and control over assets that take weeks, months and possibly years of work to obtain. Strategies are also a big part of it. Having your corp or alliances info leaked is a big concern.
Any corp that DOES NOT police and check up on its people is looking for their organization to be compromised and ruined.
Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.-á Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!! |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
1834
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:50:00 -
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I wouldn't join any corp/alliance asking for a full API. But if I were of a mind to give my API away, I'd send hundreds of long long evemails - usually copy pasta slash fic. I think it'd be fun. Maybe I'll start an alt.
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com
PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4338
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:50:00 -
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If you're worth infiltrating, you will be infiltrated, API checks or otherwise.
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
35
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:59:00 -
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In my corp it works the other way around. People pass their API key around if they want skill advice or something like that. CEO's that are so paranoid that they require full API keys seem to forget that they can simply shoot at offenders in their corp. Infiltrations can be fun, especially when they bork, the infiltrant gets few Roles assigned and enters corporate stasis.
24h witchhunt anyone? |
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
891
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Posted - 2012.08.14 23:19:00 -
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In the two dozen or so corporations I've joined in the past year on my alts for the purposes of awoxing, only one of them has required that level of API access. I don't think this problem you're talking about is as widespread as you think it is.
You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Spurty
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
419
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Posted - 2012.08.14 23:22:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:In the two dozen or so corporations I've joined in the past year on my alts for the purposes of awoxing, only one of them has required that level of API access. I don't think this problem you're talking about is as widespread as you think it is.
This post is shear genius
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
James 315
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
2378
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Posted - 2012.08.14 23:58:00 -
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I remember the days when all it would take to get past "security" was a poorly photoshopped screenshot of your login screen. 
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ MinerBumping.com -½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½The daily saga of one man's quest to bring civilization to highsec by bumping miners out of range. |
Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din
Dark Therapy
60
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:10:00 -
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H1ghwayman wrote:I've had friends tell me they can't talk to me anymore because the heads of their corps are reading through their emails to make sure they're not doing anything they don't like... This is screwed up... I really think it's time that API keys went away or were limited so that it's not possible for emails and private conversations to be monitored. If it's possible it will be expected. If people don't enjoy the game because they have no privacy they may not continue playing. I think it's best for everyone if the controlling pricks that insist on invading everyone's privacy had that ability taken away. Let private conversations remain private for everyone...
If your friend is that scared of his CEO he should grow a pair and either leave the corp and do what he wants or talk to you and get kicked. |
Zenos Ebeth
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:13:00 -
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If my CEO ever asked that i would troll him by sending non-sensical mails to kwown awoxers/spies:
"The "Fish" has been found in the "Lake" , begin operation "fishing rod"."
Other than that it's really easy to get around such petty methods and you should always make an api that expires after 1 day when using them for corp apps. If your ceo is so anal about it , leave your ****** corp and/or pod him. |
WilliamMays
Stuffs Inc.
12
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Posted - 2012.08.15 04:01:00 -
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you're mad about eve privacy, try reading the agreements you sign when you get a better than average job |
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