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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
4479
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:16:00 -
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Cede Forster wrote:"Back in the days" you would just use ICQ offline messages but i am not even sure ICQ still exists :p 5-digit UIN user \o/
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Katalci
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
121
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:26:00 -
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Chribba wrote:While I am a noob on the subject of how people run their corps... but for some reason I don't get the feeling that this is a widespread problems as probably most pilots would dislike this "feature" and hence noone would be in the corps, sounds more like this is a corp run different from most others, in which case like many pointed out you will probably be more comfortable in another corp.
But then I don't know how most corps are run so...
/c
Actually, pretty much every decent corp requires recruits to submit the the full API keys of all accounts for deep trawling. Wallet logs, assets, evemails, etc. are all carefully reviewed. This is absolutely necessary to minimize the risk of accepting a spy into your corporation. |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
155
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:32:00 -
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Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:The more I read it the more OP looks like a spy/thief. Why would talking to you be suspicious? Sounds like Solid C.E.O.'s to me.
Either that or he's a terrorist, or a pervert. Or a perverted terrorist. Perhaps even a communist.
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Nirnias Stirrum
Insidious Design
277
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:38:00 -
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Kryss Darkdust wrote:Nirnias Stirrum wrote:I joined a WH corp a few weeks ago and this is something i asked if it was "necessary" to include my mail as i had some personal info in some of the mails. I was told it was and that if i didn't include the mail in the API my application would be rejected.
Granted i thought it a bit crap, but i didn't come to the forum to cry about it, i deleted any mails that i deemed had a personal nature to either myself or other pilots, created a new API, waited 30 minutes for it to kick in then submitted my application.
If you have mail you don't want your corp reading, then simply delete it, unless your a spy i don't see how this is an "issue" for you or anyone else at all and your just crying for the sake of the attention you seem to not get.
Getting rid of being able to view other peoples mails is the stupidest thing you have said because it would just make spying way more easy for everyone. You say this is easily avoided by using alts for mails, so why don't you just go and use your alt for sending your mails.... works both ways but i bet your gunna cry that you shouldn't have to do that or some crap. Well the game shouldn't have to change because your a delicate little snowflake with deep insecurities about what people might think of you. Again this is exactly why any corporate leadership that bothers reading emails clearly don't understand the mechanic. Its pointless because its easily circumvented. A spy is going to be careful not to use his Eve Mail to ensure he's not revealed, hence this does not work as a tool to avoid espionage at all. Hence as a corporate leader if your reading people's emails your pretty much just a nosy A-hole who deserves no ones loyalty.
Not true, its also a great way for corps to get info about enemy corps, when i was looking for a WH corp i sent out several applications, several of them emailed me back detailing their corp/alliance structure, who their friends were, what kind of fleets they run etc etc etc. When i joined my current corp they gleaned some useful information from my emails about other WH corps simply from the applications i sent to other corps before them. |
dexington
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
129
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:40:00 -
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May i suggest you get 5 meters of string and two cans, it has been proven to be a very effective form of covert communication.
GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥-á |
Pipa Porto
739
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:41:00 -
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Kryss Darkdust wrote:Again this is exactly why any corporate leadership that bothers reading emails clearly don't understand the mechanic. Its pointless because its easily circumvented. A spy is going to be careful not to use his Eve Mail to ensure he's not revealed, hence this does not work as a tool to avoid espionage at all. Hence as a corporate leader if your reading people's emails your pretty much just a nosy A-hole who deserves no ones loyalty.
Then don't give your emails to your corp leader.
I read them when I run recruitment, because some spies/awoxers/thieves are exactly as lazy as the OP.
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
Persona Non Gratis
86
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:49:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Cede Forster wrote:"Back in the days" you would just use ICQ offline messages but i am not even sure ICQ still exists :p 5-digit UIN user \o/
And I was feeling special beacuse mine is 8 digits. Now I'm :sadface:. :) |
Radius Prime
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:59:00 -
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Frankly I agree with OP. If people are willing to do it here how long before things like that become common practice RL. Freedom of speech and privacy rights have been fought over by previous generations and we shouldn't simply dismiss it as unimportant. You have recruiters, bosses checking your facebook and private life these days and drawing conclusions from it. You have to be available 24/7 on your cellphone in case your boss has a booboo. Our internet is being followed and recorded by google. Last year google(or was it apple) bailed itself out legally because their smartphones where recording and sending info about peoples whereabouts. Where does it end? Will our cell phone record what we say in a while? Be careful what rights you give up and which you don't.
But people saying he is free to leave his corp are right as well. Unfortunately that is harder to do RL. Do not forget we in Eve are being watched and studied by RL academics. Maybe they conclude it would work for RL as well. Just something to be wary about imo.... |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
643
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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:00:00 -
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H1ghwayman wrote:I've had friends tell me they can't talk to me anymore because the heads of their corps are reading through their emails to make sure they're not doing anything they don't like... This is screwed up... I really think it's time that API keys went away or were limited so that it's not possible for emails and private conversations to be monitored. If it's possible it will be expected. If people don't enjoy the game because they have no privacy they may not continue playing. I think it's best for everyone if the controlling pricks that insist on invading everyone's privacy had that ability taken away. Let private conversations remain private for everyone...
Don't ever let someone tell you to do what you don't want to silly padawan !!
Get out of there and join "normal" people, let paranoid scumbags fill holes in between them. But, if you have nothing to hide why would you bother with that?
I mean, it's not like if you were e-mailing your wife about your last love night and making plans for the next one with eve mail, is it? -if it is you're dumber than I thought.
brb |
Nirnias Stirrum
Insidious Design
277
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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:06:00 -
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Radius Prime wrote:Frankly I agree with OP. If people are willing to do it here how long before things like that become common practice RL. Freedom of speech and privacy rights have been fought over by previous generations and we shouldn't simply dismiss it as unimportant. You have recruiters, bosses checking your facebook and private life these days and drawing conclusions from it. You have to be available 24/7 on your cellphone in case your boss has a booboo. Our internet is being followed and recorded by google. Last year google(or was it apple) bailed itself out legally because their smartphones where recording and sending info about peoples whereabouts. Where does it end? Will our cell phone record what we say in a while? Be careful what rights you give up and which you don't.
But people saying he is free to leave his corp are right as well. Unfortunately that is harder to do RL. Do not forget we in Eve are being watched and studied by RL academics. Maybe they conclude it would work for RL as well. Just something to be wary about imo....
Ugh that is common practise, it is used by companies to locate the most footfall of a populace in order to open businesses and make profits, place hospitals and other services. Dont want them knowing where you are? Turn off your GPS.. not that hard really. |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
2041
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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:08:00 -
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Well, concidering the overall paranoia some people in EVE exibit... no wonder. 
"I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way."
Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 |
Anhenka
Burning Napalm
Northern Coalition.
20
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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:08:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:H1ghwayman wrote:I've had friends tell me they can't talk to me anymore because the heads of their corps are reading through their emails to make sure they're not doing anything they don't like... This is screwed up... I really think it's time that API keys went away or were limited so that it's not possible for emails and private conversations to be monitored. If it's possible it will be expected. If people don't enjoy the game because they have no privacy they may not continue playing. I think it's best for everyone if the controlling pricks that insist on invading everyone's privacy had that ability taken away. Let private conversations remain private for everyone... Don't ever let someone tell you to do what you don't want to silly padawan !! Get out of there and join "normal" people, let paranoid scumbags fill holes in between them. But, if you have nothing to hide why would you bother with that? I mean, it's not like if you were e-mailing your wife about your last love night and making plans for the next one with eve mail, is it? -if it is you're dumber than I thought. Unless it's your CEO's wife?  then you get a +1000000000-¦ from meh, others wife's are always the best women ever !!
I find nothing wrong with eve-mails about the previous days kinky sex. And hey, if your CEO is bored enough to be reading your mails, explicit sex related eve-mails will likely just make him even more frustrated at what he's likely not getting any of.
Edit: currently stealing off internet, retitling names and sending gay fanfiction about my corps CEO/directors between me and my alts, on the of chance he reads any. I hope he does.
Edit^2: Actually, he might enjoy it. |
Alayna Le'line
14
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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:18:00 -
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I'll just leave this comic here.
Less serious but still sorta relevant is this one which I'm sure many have already seen. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
644
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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:20:00 -
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Anhenka wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:H1ghwayman wrote:I've had friends tell me they can't talk to me anymore because the heads of their corps are reading through their emails to make sure they're not doing anything they don't like... This is screwed up... I really think it's time that API keys went away or were limited so that it's not possible for emails and private conversations to be monitored. If it's possible it will be expected. If people don't enjoy the game because they have no privacy they may not continue playing. I think it's best for everyone if the controlling pricks that insist on invading everyone's privacy had that ability taken away. Let private conversations remain private for everyone... Don't ever let someone tell you to do what you don't want to silly padawan !! Get out of there and join "normal" people, let paranoid scumbags fill holes in between them. But, if you have nothing to hide why would you bother with that? I mean, it's not like if you were e-mailing your wife about your last love night and making plans for the next one with eve mail, is it? -if it is you're dumber than I thought. Unless it's your CEO's wife? then you get a +1000000000-¦ from meh, others wife's are always the best women ever !! I find nothing wrong with eve-mails about the previous days kinky sex. And hey, if your CEO is bored enough to be reading your mails, explicit sex related eve-mails will likely just make him even more frustrated at what he's likely not getting any of. Edit: currently stealing off internet, retitling names and sending gay fanfiction about my corps CEO/directors between me and my alts, on the of chance he reads any. I hope he does. Edit^2: Actually, he might enjoy it.
Jesus, if he's that cool lets join the party and have some fun. The moment she's happy I'm happy
brb |
dexington
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
130
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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:47:00 -
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Do a little research and start feeding them bad/fabricated intel, misinformation or lies, and see what happens, if you are lucky some ****** is going to take the bait.
Having you mails monitored is only a bad thing if you don't know it's happening, if you know it's happening it's a opportunity.
GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥-á |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
155
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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:50:00 -
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The best spies are the ones you recruit from inside. |
Haethorn
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
2
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:05:00 -
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Having been in corps run by complete idiots & other corps run by exceptional leadership, I find this concept either not a problem at all, or where it could be a problem, It will be secondary at best to more pressing concearns.
In a previous Null Sec Alliance, I contacted a guy on the Alliance Leaders's request & trolled him.
The Alliance Leader, whom apparently has the memory of a goldfish, forgot that he requested us contact the guy, DIDN'T READ THE MAIL I sent, had a complete fit that I mailed someone set to Red standings and came crying to my then corp leadership yelling SPAI SPAI KICK HIM OUT!
If an alliance leader is routinely reading your mail, they are not doing other things they should be doing and it will show.
Unfortunately, counterespionage is part of the game, but good risk managment involves being picky about who you hand out roles to. |
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
52
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:12:00 -
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H1ghwayman wrote:I've had friends tell me they can't talk to me anymore because the heads of their corps are reading through their emails to make sure they're not doing anything they don't like... This is screwed up... I really think it's time that API keys went away or were limited so that it's not possible for emails and private conversations to be monitored. If it's possible it will be expected. If people don't enjoy the game because they have no privacy they may not continue playing. I think it's best for everyone if the controlling pricks that insist on invading everyone's privacy had that ability taken away. Let private conversations remain private for everyone...
Your first misconception is assuming anyone is your friend in this game, most are tempoary aquitances of convenience unless you know them personally. play it smart,don't be a chump, treat everyone as a potential future enemy because chances are they will be  . |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1035
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:18:00 -
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I see 2 simple solutions:
1) Disagree and don't join them. (duh)
2) If you really really have to be in with the standard "cool kids", then fill your inbox/outbox daily with spam to everyone you can think of. Be prolific in your writing. Send long treatises to complete strangers. Send them to yourself from alts. Eventually they'll stop reading your email and you can go back to feeling paranoid and insecure when you try to talk about pokemons with your friends in EVE, but you'll have at least annoyed someone in the process. :)
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Scott PiIgrim
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:19:00 -
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Api is a damn good tool, sorry your to much of a noob to understand it. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:47:00 -
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H1ghwayman wrote:
If someone is a spy they can use a different account and this access won't do any good anyways...
CCP won't change it for this very reason - it means more accounts.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
The Marmite Collective
2219
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:51:00 -
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If anyone demands full API access to see your mails and financial records, laugh at them and talk to other corps. The way to stop this sort of behavior is to treat them like the idiots they are.
If for some reason you're comfortable giving full API access when applying to a corp, create a special one that expires in a few days so that they lose access once you're a member. If they start demanding it back, leave. Mock them on your way out.
The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |
Soldarius
TreadStone Standard
Tribal Band
273
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:53:00 -
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While going through someone's laundry might be typical during the recruiting process, there is generally no reason to have full and complete accees once this is completed.
Even most nulsec alliances don't have such intrusive API requirements. Usually all they need even for services is your public info (corp) and kill info.
"How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
141
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:54:00 -
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Tell them to shove it. Also make sure you help yourself to the corp hanger on your way out. Corps are pointless anyways, all the best content can be solo'd or PUG... |
Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers
Axiom Solaris
125
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Posted - 2012.08.14 12:02:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:CCP won't change it for this very reason - it means more accounts.
I thought it was because it was working as intended and it was a problem with the players, not the mechanics. My mistake. |
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.08.14 12:51:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:There's a checkbox when you make your API key that allows or disallows your mail to be read through the API key.
You are responsible for what information you allow people who possess your API keys to view.
All well and good, but when you give people the opportunity to do so then people will try to take advantage of it.
I'd say just get rid of the API. |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc
Elysian Empire
250
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Posted - 2012.08.14 12:55:00 -
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H1ghwayman wrote:I've had friends tell me they can't talk to me anymore because the heads of their corps are reading through their emails to make sure they're not doing anything they don't like... This is screwed up... I really think it's time that API keys went away or were limited so that it's not possible for emails and private conversations to be monitored. If it's possible it will be expected. If people don't enjoy the game because they have no privacy they may not continue playing. I think it's best for everyone if the controlling pricks that insist on invading everyone's privacy had that ability taken away. Let private conversations remain private for everyone...
No one held a gun to your friends heads and made them hand over API access. They chose to join a stupid corp and obey its stupid rules, the problem lies with them, not the mechanics of the API. |
Lord Ryan
Quantum Cats Syndicate
557
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Posted - 2012.08.14 12:58:00 -
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Just delete API after you get accepted. If you get kicked join one of the other 10k corps. Than pod old CEO repeatedly.
-á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it".
I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
494
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Posted - 2012.08.14 13:29:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:Look, some are fine giving their full API away when they join a corporation that requires that.
But once they've gone through the stuff to see if you're a spy, corp thief, corp ganker or what ever else, YOU just simply get a new API key if you haven't made the previous one expire in 3 days, which should be more then enough time for the paranoid corporation to see if you are who you say you are.
Simple, piece of cake.
Alternatively, simply delete the key at your leisure.
Nothing Found |
highonpop
Void.Tech
Fatal Ascension
209
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Posted - 2012.08.14 13:36:00 -
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H1ghwayman wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:There's a checkbox when you make your API key that allows or disallows your mail to be read through the API key.
You are responsible for what information you allow people who possess your API keys to view. You're missing the point... If it's "standard" to give full access everyone will require it... So if you want into any corp that's worth a damn you have to do what is "STANDARD" which means allow full invasions of privacy... CCP is the only group that can change this.. Mail access needs to no longer be possible.... It's the only way. If someone is a spy they can use a different account and this access won't do any good anyways... This doesn't help. It only hurts peoples ability to enjoy the game. The types of people that demand this level of control are not the types of people it should be given too.... Yet narcissists always end up at the top because it's what they do naturally. They see a ladder, they must climb it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder^ Those are the people that demand it, use it, and hound players for who they talk to. They need to be declawed.... Please....
You are missing the point. If your friend doesn't want his mails read, he is free to delete that API and/or find a new corp. ITs not "standard" to show them your mails. It is however standard to have to give an API.
Different corps require different things. Stop being a cry baby.
http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya |
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