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H1ghwayman
Superballs Escort Service
0
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:31:00 -
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I've had friends tell me they can't talk to me anymore because the heads of their corps are reading through their emails to make sure they're not doing anything they don't like... This is screwed up... I really think it's time that API keys went away or were limited so that it's not possible for emails and private conversations to be monitored. If it's possible it will be expected. If people don't enjoy the game because they have no privacy they may not continue playing. I think it's best for everyone if the controlling pricks that insist on invading everyone's privacy had that ability taken away. Let private conversations remain private for everyone... |

Pipa Porto
730
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:33:00 -
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There's a checkbox when you make your API key that allows or disallows your mail to be read through the API key.
You are responsible for what information you allow people who possess your API keys to view. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1468
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:35:00 -
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you should probably join a nullsec alliance, liberate yourself from highsec dictator oppression. |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
199

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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:37:00 -
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If the API check on some corps bothers you that much, simply apply elsewhere. You can play EVE how you choose to; it's one of the finer points of the game. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Ensign Community Communication Liasions (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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H1ghwayman
Superballs Escort Service
0
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:37:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:There's a checkbox when you make your API key that allows or disallows your mail to be read through the API key.
You are responsible for what information you allow people who possess your API keys to view.
You're missing the point... If it's "standard" to give full access everyone will require it... So if you want into any corp that's worth a damn you have to do what is "STANDARD" which means allow full invasions of privacy... CCP is the only group that can change this.. Mail access needs to no longer be possible.... It's the only way. |

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
27
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:51:00 -
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If someone isn't talking to you because their CEO says so... they are not your friends. |

Evei Shard
110
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:51:00 -
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A) Find a new corp.
or
B) Start using e-mail as a means to manipulate those that might read them. Profit favors the prepared |

H1ghwayman
Superballs Escort Service
0
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:53:00 -
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Evei Shard wrote:A) Find a new corp.
or
B) Start using e-mail as a means to manipulate those that might read them.
Seriously? Only use mail as a means of manipulating? Should someone really have to make that choice... How about mail being private without anyone else being able to read it at all ever? That's how mail should be... |

Pipa Porto
730
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:55:00 -
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H1ghwayman wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:There's a checkbox when you make your API key that allows or disallows your mail to be read through the API key.
You are responsible for what information you allow people who possess your API keys to view. You're missing the point... If it's "standard" to give full access everyone will require it... So if you want into any corp that's worth a damn you have to do what is "STANDARD" which means allow full invasions of privacy... CCP is the only group that can change this.. Mail access needs to no longer be possible.... It's the only way. If someone is a spy they can use a different account and this access won't do any good anyways... This doesn't help. It only hurts peoples ability to enjoy the game. The types of people that demand this level of control are not the types of people it should be given too.... Yet narcissists always end up at the top because it's what they do naturally. They see a ladder, they must climb it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder^ Those are the people that demand it, use it, and hound players for who they talk to. They need to be declawed.... Please....
If you don't like the corp you're in, you are free to go elsewhere.
If you do not like your choices as far as corps who don't vet their applicants, you are free to form your own corp and not vet your applicants. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Pipa Porto
731
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:56:00 -
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H1ghwayman wrote:Evei Shard wrote:A) Find a new corp.
or
B) Start using e-mail as a means to manipulate those that might read them. Seriously? Only use mail as a means of manipulating? Should someone really have to make that choice... How about mail being private without anyone else being able to read it at all ever? That's how mail should be...
Only people you explicitly allow access to your mail can read your mail. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Serena Serene
The Scope Gallente Federation
2963
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Posted - 2012.08.14 06:06:00 -
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H1ghwayman wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:There's a checkbox when you make your API key that allows or disallows your mail to be read through the API key.
You are responsible for what information you allow people who possess your API keys to view. You're missing the point... If it's "standard" to give full access everyone will require it... So if you want into any corp that's worth a damn you have to do what is "STANDARD" which means allow full invasions of privacy... CCP is the only group that can change this.. Mail access needs to no longer be possible.... It's the only way. If someone is a spy they can use a different account and this access won't do any good anyways... This doesn't help. It only hurts peoples ability to enjoy the game. The types of people that demand this level of control are not the types of people it should be given too.... Yet narcissists always end up at the top because it's what they do naturally. They see a ladder, they must climb it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder^ Those are the people that demand it, use it, and hound players for who they talk to. They need to be declawed.... Please....
The "declawing" needs to be done by the players, imo. People demanding this invasion of privacy can only do so because enough "underlings" comply. I don't know about these things being "standard" but I really can't imagine that.
If there are enough people being in those corps/alliances nonetheless, it doesn't seem to be a big deal for those, or it's the cowardly "I can't change anything about that myself anyway" thing which so often allows dictators to stay in power, only that IRL there are very real dangers involved with "going against the system".
In any case, I guess you could switch to a form of out of game communication like.. you know.. "normal" e-mail and such. |

Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
322
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Posted - 2012.08.14 06:31:00 -
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check your API access log to see when your corp/alliance pulls your mails
then make sure you delete anything fishy before that time I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |

non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
788
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Posted - 2012.08.14 06:39:00 -
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Talk about overkill.
I thought they only ask for api when recruiting. If they still want to have it once you're a member I'd be a bit worried. I'd rather leave a corp who always wanted it. Unless it was to check to see what skills you were training, I'd make a new one which only allowed them to see that part. You can cancel your current api-key and make a new one and they wont be able to use the old api-key to see your evemails. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9068
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Posted - 2012.08.14 06:40:00 -
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H1ghwayman wrote:You're missing the point... If it's "standard" to give full access everyone will require it... GǪand then you tell them to go **** themselves and create a new corp without that requirement. If it's a significant problem, you're going to amass a significant number of corp members.
You ruin the standard; they crumble; win-win. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
661
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Posted - 2012.08.14 06:43:00 -
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Look, some are fine giving their full API away when they join a corporation that requires that.
But once they've gone through the stuff to see if you're a spy, corp thief, corp ganker or what ever else, YOU just simply get a new API key if you haven't made the previous one expire in 3 days, which should be more then enough time for the paranoid corporation to see if you are who you say you are.
Simple, piece of cake. Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |

Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
106
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Posted - 2012.08.14 06:44:00 -
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Make a private chat chan and *** cyber in there instead?
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Syphon Lodian
Fabled Enterprises
91
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Posted - 2012.08.14 06:48:00 -
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That's pretty ridiculous.
Whoever these people are, wherever they are from.. make sure they don't vote. That **** doesn't need to spread.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
4477
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Posted - 2012.08.14 06:51:00 -
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While I am a noob on the subject of how people run their corps... but for some reason I don't get the feeling that this is a widespread problems as probably most pilots would dislike this "feature" and hence noone would be in the corps, sounds more like this is a corp run different from most others, in which case like many pointed out you will probably be more comfortable in another corp.
But then I don't know how most corps are run so...
/c
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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
106
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Posted - 2012.08.14 06:51:00 -
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The more I read it the more OP looks like a spy/thief. Why would talking to you be suspicious? Sounds like Solid C.E.O.'s to me. |

Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
91
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Posted - 2012.08.14 06:54:00 -
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Quote:So if you want into any corp that's worth a damn you have to do what is "STANDARD" which means allow full invasions of privacy...
Thats a silly notion. Generally looking at a players character is a part of the recruitment process to see what skills they have and the like. No CEO worth a crap is going to spend time rifling through people's emails and anyone who requires you to do this is an idiot and doesn't deserve your loyalty.
Access to peoples Eve mail is not something good corps or alliances need to do. Its so easily circumvented anyway that its pointless to even attempt for corp leadership.
Good corps usually function on more privateering systems and the strongest are started by a tight group of RL friends who form the upper echelons of the corp.
In my corp I have 8 people that have full director access to everything, I trust them all explicitly because I know them all personally and I know they won't steal from the corporate wallet anymore than they would steal from my actual wallet. Anyone else that joins the corp is an outsider and effectively a privateer... a person who is welcome to participate, treated as a friend, but never actually trusted with anything he didn't earn himself. We form cells within the corp, hence a outsider can form his own crew, have his own wallet and run his crew as he pleases, but as far as security goes I'm not worried about it in the slightest because the corporate assets are as safe as you can possibly make them.
I would suggest looking for a better crew. |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
200

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Posted - 2012.08.14 06:55:00 -
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I wouldn't mind seeing this argument tried on wormhole corps. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Ensign Community Communication Liasions (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Cede Forster
EVE University Ivy League
15
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Posted - 2012.08.14 06:57:00 -
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And so does facebook and google and still ...
... you decide to disclose that information so what exactly is the problem?
"Back in the days" you would just use ICQ offline messages but i am not even sure ICQ still exists :p |

Manar Detri
31
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Posted - 2012.08.14 07:11:00 -
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H1ghwayman wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:There's a checkbox when you make your API key that allows or disallows your mail to be read through the API key.
You are responsible for what information you allow people who possess your API keys to view. You're missing the point... If it's "standard" to give full access everyone will require it... So if you want into any corp that's worth a damn you have to do what is "STANDARD" which means allow full invasions of privacy... CCP is the only group that can change this.. Mail access needs to no longer be possible.... It's the only way. If someone is a spy they can use a different account and this access won't do any good anyways... This doesn't help. It only hurts peoples ability to enjoy the game. The types of people that demand this level of control are not the types of people it should be given too.... Yet narcissists always end up at the top because it's what they do naturally. They see a ladder, they must climb it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder^ Those are the people that demand it, use it, and hound players for who they talk to. They need to be declawed.... Please....
I don't think any of the nulsec alliance corporations require access to emails (atleast i've not bumped into any such). Usually it's just rights to see what characters on your account, and possibly skills. |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
276
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Posted - 2012.08.14 07:55:00 -
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Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:Make a private chat chan and *** cyber in there instead?
I demand an API then for accessing private chat channels so I can monitor them! =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4326
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Posted - 2012.08.14 08:06:00 -
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are you sure they're not just using the whole "my CEO reads my evemails" thing as an excuse? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
2011
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Posted - 2012.08.14 08:10:00 -
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Japanese Megacorporations, anyone? 
Seriously, though, you can forbid the spying... but no telling what the CEO or the HR people will say to that... "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way."
Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 |

Archdaimon
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
81
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Posted - 2012.08.14 08:18:00 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing this argument tried on wormhole corps.
We're a special case. We haven't got no pricacy.
And even though our accounting systems require full api, no one has ever been disallowed to com. with any one.
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Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.08.14 08:33:00 -
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H1ghwayman wrote:I've had friends tell me they can't talk to me anymore because the heads of their corps are reading through their emails to make sure they're not doing anything they don't like... This is screwed up... I really think it's time that API keys went away or were limited so that it's not possible for emails and private conversations to be monitored. If it's possible it will be expected. If people don't enjoy the game because they have no privacy they may not continue playing. I think it's best for everyone if the controlling pricks that insist on invading everyone's privacy had that ability taken away. Let private conversations remain private for everyone...
Sooo... these corp members, that their corp leaders are reading the emails of, don't like what's being said between yourself and their members? Just what are you talking about with them?? *looks at corp name* An "escort service", eh? lol I see now. Maybe your rates are too high? lol or they're jealous? |

Nirnias Stirrum
Insidious Design
277
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:13:00 -
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I joined a WH corp a few weeks ago and this is something i asked if it was "necessary" to include my mail as i had some personal info in some of the mails. I was told it was and that if i didn't include the mail in the API my application would be rejected.
Granted i thought it a bit crap, but i didn't come to the forum to cry about it, i deleted any mails that i deemed had a personal nature to either myself or other pilots, created a new API, waited 30 minutes for it to kick in then submitted my application.
If you have mail you don't want your corp reading, then simply delete it, unless your a spy i don't see how this is an "issue" for you or anyone else at all and your just crying for the sake of the attention you seem to not get.
Getting rid of being able to view other peoples mails is the stupidest thing you have said because it would just make spying way more easy for everyone. You say this is easily avoided by using alts for mails, so why don't you just go and use your alt for sending your mails.... works both ways but i bet your gunna cry that you shouldn't have to do that or some crap. Well the game shouldn't have to change because your a delicate little snowflake with deep insecurities about what people might think of you. |

Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
91
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:16:00 -
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Nirnias Stirrum wrote:I joined a WH corp a few weeks ago and this is something i asked if it was "necessary" to include my mail as i had some personal info in some of the mails. I was told it was and that if i didn't include the mail in the API my application would be rejected.
Granted i thought it a bit crap, but i didn't come to the forum to cry about it, i deleted any mails that i deemed had a personal nature to either myself or other pilots, created a new API, waited 30 minutes for it to kick in then submitted my application.
If you have mail you don't want your corp reading, then simply delete it, unless your a spy i don't see how this is an "issue" for you or anyone else at all and your just crying for the sake of the attention you seem to not get.
Getting rid of being able to view other peoples mails is the stupidest thing you have said because it would just make spying way more easy for everyone. You say this is easily avoided by using alts for mails, so why don't you just go and use your alt for sending your mails.... works both ways but i bet your gunna cry that you shouldn't have to do that or some crap. Well the game shouldn't have to change because your a delicate little snowflake with deep insecurities about what people might think of you.
Again this is exactly why any corporate leadership that bothers reading emails clearly don't understand the mechanic. Its pointless because its easily circumvented. A spy is going to be careful not to use his Eve Mail to ensure he's not revealed, hence this does not work as a tool to avoid espionage at all. Hence as a corporate leader if your reading people's emails your pretty much just a nosy A-hole who deserves no ones loyalty. |
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