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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
413
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:12:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:Remnant Madeveda wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Saw 'the mittani', stopped right there. That's a shame, and it seems the point was missed. Get past the name check out the site, it's very well designed and thought out. The articles so far are very promising, and lets be honest, the fact that it's named after The Mittani is probably just some ironic joke for the Goonswarm Fed. Ripped from Endie's description of the site: "First off, the name. Nobody who knows much about Eve Online thinks that The Mittani himself is a shy or retiring individual who has to be coaxed into offering his opinion, nor one who is reluctant to step out of the shadows. As such, I imagine that there is a natural presumption that the site name was his decision, and that it is an example of the industrial-scale hubris that led to GoonswarmGÇÖs capital system being renamed GÇ£MittaningradGÇ¥. In fact, I chose the name despite his concerns. Mittani himself wanted the site to be called something very worthy and descriptive like GÇ£Internet Spaceship NewsGÇ¥ or the like: dull enough that I genuinely canGÇÖt remember. GÇ£The MittaniGÇ¥ has become a brand: one of the most recognisable and googled phrases or labels in Eve, it simply has recognition value that we would have struggled to create with anything else. I wanted us to profit from the better part of a decade of work and history that many new websites would give their right arm to possess. Although I admit that the would-be customers of, say, a travel site start-up might be a bit confused by the name. And the consequences of seeking to piggyback on that history for a sensitivity-training and human resources dotcom would be downright disastrous. I remember reading, several years ago now, one of our enemies sagely informing his alliance that there was no GÇ£The MittaniGÇ¥: that it was a shadowy group who used the fictional character of GÇ£The MittaniGÇ¥ as a nom de plume through which to speak to Goons and Eve. I think that we have all seen that gelled hair often enough now to know that he was wrong at the time, but in the end he wasnGÇÖt that far off."
Why not just name the site, The Ego You want fries with that? |

Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
282
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:15:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Why not just name the site, The Ego 
Because the site isn't owned by The Mittani?
AFAIK from reading is that it's Endie's project. Perhaps you should read that little block of text I just quoted. Or anything else on the site for that matter. At least then you could post something witty and true. |

Polly Oxford
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:15:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Why not just name the site, The Ego 
Why not just name yourself ******?
Edit: So naming yourself Stalin is allowed, but even the name Hitl3r needs to be censored. :ccp: |

Cede Forster
EVE University Ivy League
15
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:16:00 -
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good prank? but looks better then eve24 |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
646
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:24:00 -
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Lack of pictures pick **** but it's full of walls of text. Not interesting.
EDIT: put a nice pick of "Bonjour Madame" it will look much better. brb |

Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
42
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:24:00 -
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But there is no section that belittles new players or threatens noobs. +1 if they add that section. Posting as a non goon alt who actually likes the site. Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4332
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:26:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:But there is no section that belittles new players or threatens noobs. +1 if they add that section. Posting as a non goon alt who actually likes the site.
um hi I'm in charge of goonswarm's newbie program
we're an alliance that recruits newbies, you see "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
413
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:31:00 -
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Polly Oxford wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Why not just name the site, The Ego  Why not just name yourself ******? Edit: So naming yourself Stalin is allowed, but even the name Hitl3r needs to be censored. :ccp:
Calm down dear. You want fries with that? |

Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
43
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:42:00 -
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Andski wrote:Christy D Floyd wrote:But there is no section that belittles new players or threatens noobs. +1 if they add that section. Posting as a non goon alt who actually likes the site. um hi I'm in charge of goonswarm's newbie program we're an alliance that recruits newbies, you see
Sounds like a scam to me but I could be wrong send me 2mil isk to verify that it is not a scam. Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4333
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:56:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:Sounds like a scam to me but I could be wrong send me 2mil isk to verify that it is not a scam.
the newbies we recruit are from outside the game
i can't believe people don't know this "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
43
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Posted - 2012.08.14 18:05:00 -
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Andski wrote:Christy D Floyd wrote:Sounds like a scam to me but I could be wrong send me 2mil isk to verify that it is not a scam. the newbies we recruit are from outside the game i can't believe people don't know this
Let me see which is worse... running naked through a cornfield backwards, showering with jerry sandusky or joining goons. Either way your going to be butt raped. Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |

Ammzi
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
1022
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Posted - 2012.08.14 18:09:00 -
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Love it, very well written +1 quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4334
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Posted - 2012.08.14 18:11:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:Andski wrote:Christy D Floyd wrote:Sounds like a scam to me but I could be wrong send me 2mil isk to verify that it is not a scam. the newbies we recruit are from outside the game i can't believe people don't know this Let me see which is worse... running naked through a cornfield backwards, showering with jerry sandusky or joining goons. Either way your going to be butt raped.
I do love that people manage to downplay our success by saying that we somehow got to where we are now by abusing our members.
If that was the case, the website we're discussing wouldn't exist. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
647
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Posted - 2012.08.14 18:11:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote:Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:Looks classy. Especially the FilipinoCupid.com ad. You do realize that Google Adsense fills in those ads based upon your browsing habits right?
You don't use Ghostery and privacy programs do you?
brb |

Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
284
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Posted - 2012.08.14 18:19:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:Andski wrote:Christy D Floyd wrote:Sounds like a scam to me but I could be wrong send me 2mil isk to verify that it is not a scam. the newbies we recruit are from outside the game i can't believe people don't know this Let me see which is worse... running naked through a cornfield backwards, showering with jerry sandusky or joining goons. Either way your going to be butt raped.
I get treated like a human being and I'm not even an alliance member let alone a member of goonwaffe. |

Marconus Orion
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
429
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Posted - 2012.08.14 18:20:00 -
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If CCP ever closes down the server that guy will not know what to do with his life. lol |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4336
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Posted - 2012.08.14 18:22:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:If CCP ever closes down the server that guy will not know what to do with his life. lol
Pretty sure he'll just buy a yacht, have a gigantic Dr. Strangelove vinyl sticker stuck on the side and sail the seas. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
647
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Posted - 2012.08.14 18:22:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:Christy D Floyd wrote:Andski wrote:Christy D Floyd wrote:Sounds like a scam to me but I could be wrong send me 2mil isk to verify that it is not a scam. the newbies we recruit are from outside the game i can't believe people don't know this Let me see which is worse... running naked through a cornfield backwards, showering with jerry sandusky or joining goons. Either way your going to be butt raped. I get treated like a human being and I'm not even an alliance member let alone a member of goonwaffe.
Pssst, don't you ever dare to tell nerds they can actually find friends and intelligent people in goons!!!
If they all apply to CFC alliances then what's left for .DOT and lots of DOT's alliances??? heh? I'm asking you !! brb |

Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
284
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Posted - 2012.08.14 18:37:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:Christy D Floyd wrote:Andski wrote:Christy D Floyd wrote:Sounds like a scam to me but I could be wrong send me 2mil isk to verify that it is not a scam. the newbies we recruit are from outside the game i can't believe people don't know this Let me see which is worse... running naked through a cornfield backwards, showering with jerry sandusky or joining goons. Either way your going to be butt raped. I get treated like a human being and I'm not even an alliance member let alone a member of goonwaffe. Pssst, don't you ever dare to tell nerds they can actually find friends and intelligent people in goons!!! If they all apply to CFC alliances then what's left for .DOT and lots of DOT's alliances??? heh? I'm asking you !!
Havn't you heard? The plan is to set the entirety of EVE blue! |

Riall
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2012.08.14 18:37:00 -
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I read a few of the articles, news items, and columns. It is definitely worth the time for anyone serious about Eve Online.
At the same time, it's rather depressing for a casual player or "Eve-born" as The Mittani would label me. The reason is that the quality of the articles and expressed opinions allows one to develop a clearer picture of the metagame, or so it seems to me.
I'll try to summarize the impression that I got from reading several of the articles and columns including "The Eve-Born", "Jita Burns", "Fear, Loathing and Exploding Stations", "120 Days and Counting: The South On Fire" and others.
There are many levels of struggle occurring in the Eve universe. While many of us see only the next fight, the next corp op, the next POS bash... etc., there is a larger battle being waged at the level of player populations. The articles outline macroeconomic manipulation of hi-sec populations (small corporations and alliances not affiliated with large null-sec power blocs) to the extent that a single player-bloc controls T2 production. They are exercising this control to attempt to establish lasting monopolies.
While lesser groups fight for territory, one group in the game wages a battle for overall dominance.
Why is this depressing? It allows one to better see the tight-rope of maintaining Eve.
In one sense, it is very like the real world where very large corporations or cartels make it nearly impossible for a small businesses to last because every field of endeavor is dominated by a large cartel. For playing Eve, it means that it is impossible for a single player, or small group of players to sign up and play at anywhere close to that level. The moment a small corp tries to play the economic game, they must face these massive blocs of players. Over time, it will be harder and harder to sustain player populations that do not include the community-born, as The Mittani labels them. Those players that came to Eve because they simply wanted to play a space-oriented MMO will move on to other games.
I suspect that CCP understand this at several levels and have been tugging the line back into place with the recent patches. The tight-rope they have to walk is stretched taught between alienation of these large power blocs and retention of Eve-born players.
While it is amazing to see the game of Eve played at such a level, it makes one mildly sad to think that such a level of play is therefore inaccessible to most. If that's the end game of Eve, very few of us will ever get to play it. This realization might cause people to leave the game, while too much disruption of the metagame could have the same effect.
tl;dr Losing the feeling of being powerful, and making a difference, can lead to people going elsewhere for the experience.
PS: Please do not read this as a "Goon's ruined Eve" post, it isn't intended as such.
"Buy PLEX, don't be a space butt" |

No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1151
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:02:00 -
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Riall wrote:tl;dr Losing the feeling of being powerful, and making a difference, can lead to people going elsewhere for the experience.
PS: Please do not read this as a "Goon's ruined Eve" post, it isn't intended as such.
The beauty of Eve is that there are no badges or gear you can poopsock or grind to give you 'power' over other players. To be ~powerful~ in this game to a large degree requires social skills. Something lacking in many gaming communities. We have people infiltrate corporations and alliances all the time and become powerful enough to destroy them from within. By means of a keen intellect and social skills.
Eve is the thinking mans' MMO and in order to be truely powerful you should find your niche (what you enjoy) and do your best at it. Making a difference is entirely dependent upon your goals or "role" in a role-playing game. White knight, dastardly villain, etc. . |

Riall
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:40:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote: Eve is the thinking mans' MMO and in order to be truely powerful you should find your niche (what you enjoy) and do your best at it. Making a difference is entirely dependent upon your goals or "role" in a role-playing game. White knight, dastardly villain, etc.
Except that it is increasingly difficult to find any niche in Eve that is not touched by the machinery of the large power blocs. For example, Faction Warfare would, to the naive, seem to be a refuge from the economic game where there is a framework to "make a difference" in the role of "loyalist combat pilot". How does one examine the manipulation of Minmatar Faction Warfare and not come to the conclusion that the "real game" lies in the manipulation?
One can only be content with small-beans excellence ("I'm good at running FW sites with Stealth Bombers, maybe now Gallente will take some territory" ) if one does not see the larger game. The point being, ignorance is bliss, but in a "thinking man's MMO", most players would naturally allow curiosity to tear away the veil.
I didn't say it was impossible to be good at a role in Eve, just that's it's difficult to remain satisfied with that role when you see the bigger game.
"Buy PLEX, don't be a space butt" |

Remnant Madeveda
Void Mongers
2
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:49:00 -
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Really that depends on what you do with your time. I mean I know if one person was extremely dedicated to it they could in fact crash out the market on any given resource that is available. You'd have to have the capital to do it, but it's possible. You could also single-handedly tear a corp that is powerful down around it's own ears if you so chose to. I mean we've seen things like that happen in the past right, BoB and similar? The wonderful thing is yeah it may seem like you're limited unless you are part of the large power bloc, but in reality you have as much potential to affect this game as anyone else. A hell of alot more chance to change things in this universe than in real life. |

FluffyDice
Psykotic Meat Fatal Ascension
221
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:25:00 -
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Needs a real life advice section. Plenty of good advice has been given in the past. |

Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:57:00 -
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As the lead Dev of TheMittani.com I am saddened and hurt by all these comments claiming that what we have created is just another propaganda mouthpiece when that really couldn't be further from the truth.
We're actually a facade for The Mittani's new enterprise expansion into the business of selling space crack.  |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4338
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:58:00 -
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Robus Muvila wrote:As the lead Dev of TheMittani.com I am saddened and hurt by all these comments claiming that what we have created is just another propaganda mouthpiece when that really couldn't be further from the truth. We're actually a facade for The Mittani's new enterprise expansion into the business of selling space crack. 
You did a damn good job, btw. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:58:00 -
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Robus Muvila wrote:As the lead Dev of TheMittani.com I am saddened and hurt by all these comments claiming that what we have created is just another propaganda mouthpiece when that really couldn't be further from the truth. We're actually a facade for The Mittani's new enterprise expansion into the business of selling space crack. 
"Take a hit of this dude. It will take you places... Like Cloud Ring... Where you can mine or something"
God dammit. The quote and the edit button are so close to eachother.
Andski wrote: You did a damn good job, btw.
It wasn't just me, there was a balanced and highly talented team behind this handling design and coding, and I won't hog all the love. But I also won't go shouting their name to the heavens because I know some of them don't relish the spotlight. |

Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
934
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:18:00 -
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Riall wrote:No More Heroes wrote: Eve is the thinking mans' MMO and in order to be truely powerful you should find your niche (what you enjoy) and do your best at it. Making a difference is entirely dependent upon your goals or "role" in a role-playing game. White knight, dastardly villain, etc.
Except that it is increasingly difficult to find any niche in Eve that is not touched by the machinery of the large power blocs. For example, Faction Warfare would, to the naive, seem to be a refuge from the economic game where there is a framework to "make a difference" in the role of "loyalist combat pilot". How does one examine the manipulation of Minmatar Faction Warfare and not come to the conclusion that the "real game" lies in the manipulation? One can only be content with small-beans excellence ("I'm good at running FW sites with Stealth Bombers, maybe now Gallente will take some territory"  ) if one does not see the larger game. The point being, ignorance is bliss, but in a "thinking man's MMO", most players would naturally allow curiosity to tear away the veil. I didn't say it was impossible to be good at a role in Eve, just that's it's difficult to remain satisfied with that role when you see the bigger game.
Power blocs of null sec rely on empire just as much as you all rely on us in null sec to keep the game interesting.
I hope TheMittani.com gets a good empire writer such as someone from EVE Uni or RvB. He's seriously looking for skilled writers, not one sided points of view. So far, from what I've read the content is by far more logically stated and seems to not come from any personal frustration other than a need for a site that doesn't EVER state an opposing side.
A list of fixes for the new inventory
Dual Pane idea clicky |

The Groundskeeper
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
145
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:21:00 -
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Since ISD thought this thread was better than mine :( here is the official announcement!
If you wake up in the morning and want to find out what happened in Eve while you slept, where do you go? If you are in a major nullsec alliance you probably go to jabber or chat channels and ask someone, or check forums for an update post. But the former leads to you being trolled by those merry japesters in your squad into believing that you have been invaded by Pandemic Legion and are evacuating to empire, while the updates only happen every few days or so at best.
There are a couple of eve news websites, but one, the archaic Tribune, is published fortnightly in some steam-powered 19th century factory while the other is RiveriniGÇÖs cesspit of barely-literate squawkings and openly propagandistic flatulence poorly masquerading as language. Fact-checking is laughable, and relying on what you read there will get you laughed at when you repeat his paranoid rantings or obvious sock-puppeting.
Other news sources exist in the form of forums, ranging from the enjoyably coruscating Forum That Does Not Speak Its Name to the barely tolerable, well, here, but Eve lacks a broad-based source of news and insight. We think that it is time to fix that.
TheMittani dot com
I know what you are thinking: this time he has gone too far. Has our own Ozymandias erected an entire site dedicated to the worship and adoration of the Dear Leader? Will he arrange vast, coordinated dancing displays in front of the PeoplesGÇÖ Palace complete with World of Tanks parades and rifter flypasts?
In fact, I chose the name TheMittani.com while Mittens wanted the new site to be called some dreary and worthy sobriquet: "Eve News Network" or something wearily quotidian like that. IGÇÖve literally forgotten. The fact is that "The Mittani" is a brand these days, and I wanted to make use of it: itGÇÖs provocative, itGÇÖs well-known, itGÇÖs distinctive and most important of all it was available as a dot com domain at a reasonable priceGǪ
If weGÇÖve learned one thing from the life and works of Noam Chomsky it is that there is still good money to be made by churning out articles with the old Random Postmodern Essay Generator, slapping your name on them and sticking in a bit about how all Americans are bastards at the top. But if we have learned anything else from his work, it is that it is impossible to entirely divorce a news source from the biases of its proprietors. We realise this, and I have already been prevented from running a scathing expose on Mittens' use of chin-wigs during photo shoots for the CSM campaign. But this isnGÇÖt about controlling the news cycle or disseminating propaganda. Nor is it just about sticking it to Riverini, although that is a fun by-product.
Our goal is to turn TheMittani.com into somewhere that everyone wants to come to read up-to-date news and insightful articles on Eve Online (and a few of the games that Eve Online players tend to enjoy, like World of Tanks, MWO, League of Legends and the like). We wonGÇÖt do that by churning out attack pieces on everyone we happen to be at war with. So we already have writers on-board from other alliances like The Initiative and Pandemic Legion, as well as the mysterious epic poet James315 (from who knows where?), and we hope to draw upon sources across all of Eve as people learn that weGÇÖre interested in providing news and insight, not just propaganda.
Since going live, we have had interest in writing for the site from members of Black Legion, Nulli Secunda and others who are not just unaligned with Goonswarm but who are actively hostile to us. We hope to be able to publish their unedited accounts of the fighting to provide a fair and even-handed source of news for you, the Eve player. |

Vena Saris
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:29:00 -
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Riall wrote:I read a few of the articles, news items, and columns. It is definitely worth the time for anyone serious about Eve Online.
At the same time, it's rather depressing for a casual player or "Eve-born" as The Mittani would label me. The reason is that the quality of the articles and expressed opinions allows one to develop a clearer picture of the metagame, or so it seems to me.
I'll try to summarize the impression that I got from reading several of the articles and columns including "The Eve-Born", "Jita Burns", "Fear, Loathing and Exploding Stations", "120 Days and Counting: The South On Fire" and others.
There are many levels of struggle occurring in the Eve universe. While many of us see only the next fight, the next corp op, the next POS bash... etc., there is a larger battle being waged at the level of player populations. The articles outline macroeconomic manipulation of hi-sec populations (small corporations and alliances not affiliated with large null-sec power blocs) to the extent that a single player-bloc controls T2 production. They are exercising this control to attempt to establish lasting monopolies.
While lesser groups fight for territory, one group in the game wages a battle for overall dominance.
Why is this depressing? It allows one to better see the tight-rope of maintaining Eve.
In one sense, it is very like the real world where very large corporations or cartels make it nearly impossible for a small businesses to last because every field of endeavor is dominated by a large cartel. For playing Eve, it means that it is impossible for a single player, or small group of players to sign up and play at anywhere close to that level. The moment a small corp tries to play the economic game, they must face these massive blocs of players. Over time, it will be harder and harder to sustain player populations that do not include the community-born, as The Mittani labels them. Those players that came to Eve because they simply wanted to play a space-oriented MMO will move on to other games.
I suspect that CCP understand this at several levels and have been tugging the line back into place with the recent patches. The tight-rope they have to walk is stretched taught between alienation of these large power blocs and retention of Eve-born players.
While it is amazing to see the game of Eve played at such a level, it makes one mildly sad to think that such a level of play is therefore inaccessible to most. If that's the end game of Eve, very few of us will ever get to play it. This realization might cause people to leave the game, while too much disruption of the metagame could have the same effect.
tl;dr Losing the feeling of being powerful, and making a difference, can lead to people going elsewhere for the experience.
PS: Please do not read this as a "Goon's ruined Eve" post, it isn't intended as such.
YOLO bro, YOLO. |
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