Ok extracts from the Hubris article

"My current favorite story about this is the VFK cynogen, a source of constant kills for enemies of GoonSwarm Federation."
So yes it contains a bit about goon stupidity followed immediately by the words
"The losses themselves aren't what's important, because it's pretty easy to replace ships."

On to head shots

"CFC carriers have even fallen victim to Tornado alpha strikes."
Followed by "There are, of course, ways to get around this."

As to writing articles for that site, I think I have a better chance of looking at my pen and figuring out the mass of the Higgs boson.

Unfair possibly a little but the site has taken a side very quickly. There are no mentions of CFC mass slaughters, only small numbered ones.

Why? How can you sit back and point fingers and at the same time be unwilling to do anything about it?

Unfair possibly a little but the site has taken a side very quickly. There are no mentions of CFC mass slaughters, only small numbered ones.

See the thing is we covered that mass slaughter of 15 -A- supercarriers and their support fleet in K-6, the fact that we're not covering maelstrom welps which are just as significant as 15 supercarrier wrecks and all the accompanying dead tengus means that we're biased, a propaganda site.

do you want balanced reporting or balanced facts?

Well if you balance a fact it is hardly a fact, like when people say seasonally adjusted.

the desire to balance facts brought us great moments like the evolution vs creationism "controversy" - after all everyone knows that there have to be two sides to each story ...

Please tell me exactly why I should draft an article to cover THE MASS SLAUGHTER of six CFC carriers. How is "Tornadoes gank some carriers" newsworthy? If you can explain that, I'll get writing right now, but you'll have a hard time convincing me!

Sorry I don't know that battle but you could write one about 42XJ-N brawl
where Goonswarm and associates seem to have lost 64 maelstroms, 133 capsules, 56 drakes, a moros, 2 chimeras, 9 scorpions and 17 scimitars compared to killing 3 canes, 8 zealots, 2 phobos and a few other things.

Now that would make a good read especially if there are more videos involved.

Myself I don't really care about Null sec wars but it is fun to watch things go BOOM!

fyi you should probably look at the link I posted above!

I didnt see that article. Not sure Frying Doom did either.

"let's make sure that we report on one NCdot victory for ever GSF victory we report on" is balancing facts, "let's try to paint a representative (but necessarily incomplete) picture of this conflict" is balanced reporting.

The Eve News 24 one?
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/08/20/battle-report-42xj-n-madness/

I stopped reading En24 a while back. I meant themittani.com one.

you need to realize that like a restaurant you must give the customers what they want not what you want.

If you want to be a news site not a propaganda machine you need to realize that like a restaurant you must give the customers what they want not what you want.

Yeah I read that one too and as I said I feel I was better informed by EvE News 24, I can't say if it was biased, I wasn't there after all.
I just look at the kill logs and watch the videos after giving the story a quick scan.

that's the very argument that has killed "journalistic" news on all ad-funded networks.

Light text on a dark background is a terrible idea, same goes for this forum.

I wasn't there either as it isn't my time zone. I looked at the En24 article (the horror) and I may point out that one devolved to name calling pretty quickly while the other proceeded to give an accurate account as to why the fight occurred and not just how.

Verdict: en24 is still ****.

edit: I say this because themittani.com article wasn't just "a fight happened! Silly goonies hurf blurf"

Battle Report: 42XJ-N Sunday Madness.

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Battle Report: 42XJ-N Sunday Madness.

What follows is a battle report from a Black Legion. pilot who GÇ£Was ThereGÇ¥ GÇô enjoy the reading:
Dotbros, Nulli & IRC vs The Deklein Coalition GÇô 42XJ-N brawl

The war against Goons has started to get ~serious~, with some systems in Tribute starting to have their sovereignty threatened. That was the premise for the start of this nights op. Well, that and Elo promised cap kills, as Goons were reffing things with caps and an 80man support fleet. Some cat and mouse was played in the 03C-SU constellation as DotBros bridged in around 160 man AHAC fleet in an attempt to catch some caps, and then kill them.

Things didnGÇÖt quite go that way, and the DotBros ended up bridging back to H-W9TY and then rebridging to Venal for a C0NVICTED Dysprosium moon coming out of reinforce in 42XJ-N.

The hope was a brawl would happen and MAYBE weGÇÖd get this moon. (This moon has been the sight of quite a few brawls between DotBros and Goons). The AHAC fleet entered system first, followed shortly by an Intrepid Crossing support fleet of Muninns. Pings were made, warpins were adjusted, and probes were set in preparation of the Goon coming to save the tower.

A Rifter played around near the edge of the pos shields and was the focus of some interceptors, as the general consensus was that this ship was one of the cyno ships that would be used to get Goons into the system. More cat and mouse as the AHACS moved around the system, eventually to the G9D gate when word of an approaching Drake fleet was received.

Then the cynos went up.

Two simultaneous cynos were opened on a tower: one used to bridge in a Maelstrom blob, the other to bridge in tracking dreads/carriers.

Why Goons brought tracking dreads to an AHAC brawl is confusing at best. One cyno Falcon was killed, and the fight, it seemed, was on.

DotBros warped out, then quickly warped in to get better positioning both on the Maelstroms and the caps. Capital ships were primaried first, with a Moros and 2 Chimeras quickly erased from the field. The focus then shifted to the Huginns that were on field. Once sufficient numbers of Huginns/Lachesis/Scorpions were dead, the AHACS repositioned on top of the Maelstrom fleet.

Bubbles went up and a Turkey Shoot commenced. The Maelstroms no longer much of a problem, the Drake fleet was then targeted by the DOTBros. Even as the Goons tried to skirt the range of the AHACS, ships were being killed at a solid pace.

Vily was webbed and pointed and eventually blapped as the rest of the Drake fleet microwarpdrived out of the range of the AHACS. At this point, with their FC dead and DBRB having to take over this fleet (he was fcing the Maels, but was killed) the Goon drakes began disengaging and began to warp off.

DotBros very convincingly held the field, even replacing the tower with their own though it is already reinforced.

Ok to save time I will just post the bloody article, as The article does not contain any name calling that I can see, but I am going blind so....


Source: http://www.evenews24.com/2012/08/20/battle-report-42xj-n-madness/

Then there is the videos, always cool and then some crap by other people

It should be noted that IRC lost more Muninns than what is shown in that BR Doctor, and that DBRB rage logged after having his alts killed and podded in each of the Goon fleets. B.Legion best Legion

Measure and Counter-Measure

Now we move onto last night, and an enemy fleet that has adapted to what we bring. Since Hilmar's article of last week, first we and then the enemy adapted, and they are no longer are they bringing Tier 3 battlecruisers to lose en masse to bomb-runs. Instead, they have switched to AHACs and a fleet of Black Legion's old, familiar munnins, with instacane support to completely counter bomber runs.

The CFC brought the usual: Alphafleet and Drakefleet. With hostiles already in system shooting the tower, CFC decided on a clever tactic, drake fleet bridged in off the pos to pull the AHACs off the gate, Alphafleet then jumped in. In a matter of minutes all fleets were engaged on the pos, CFC brought in caps to tip the scales. Alphafleet then bounced off to the sun to get range on the AHACs, a move that would generally make sense.

However, with 100 zealots at close range on caps, they started melting dreads and carriers while Alphafleet was not pressuring them. Capitals might no longer be the disastrous loss they once were, but this was still a mistake: the CFC lost 3 capitals, perhaps needlessly. It's difficult to imagine in Eve Online that a single mistake in a 600 man engagement could really change much, but it can and it did. No one enjoys losing capitals, and no one certainly enjoys being the one in charge when they're dying, this is where the anger started, and lasted several minutes until the capitals jumped out.

There was not much chatter after that. Neither the Alphafleet FC nor the Drakefleet FC survived for very long. Comms became quiet as a reinforcement fleet attempted to form up. The hostile AHAC fleet had already reshipped and returned to the fight (due to the proximity of 42XJ to the hostile staging system that I mentioned earlier) while the Alphafleet and Drakefleet were unable to receive any replacements, and any lost ship was lost for good at this point. The organised fighting tailed off, but more ships were lost as people discussed what to do and whether or not to keep fighting. The tower was dead, the mood was not brilliant.

With NC. placing their own tower on the corpse of AIF's former one, the fleets returned home, disheartened once again by the shitfest that is 42XJ - a major juxtaposition from the earlier 1500 man fleet rolling around to take the GIH ihub down.

You missed a spot:



Another point I'd like to make. Riv is definitely quick to jump on any CFC losses but when it's the other way around you're lucky you see an article within a week let alone at all. Hence why I don't read it