I would sooner wipe with glass than go to a site named after mittani.

Looks classy.

Especially the FilipinoCupid.com ad.

Especially the FilipinoCupid.com ad.

Especially the FilipinoCupid.com ad.

Saw 'the mittani', stopped right there.

That's a shame, and it seems the point was missed. Get past the name check out the site, it's very well designed and thought out. The articles so far are very promising, and lets be honest, the fact that it's named after The Mittani is probably just some ironic joke for the Goonswarm Fed.

Ripped from Endie's description of the site:

"First off, the name. Nobody who knows much about Eve Online thinks that The Mittani himself is a shy or retiring individual who has to be coaxed into offering his opinion, nor one who is reluctant to step out of the shadows. As such, I imagine that there is a natural presumption that the site name was his decision, and that it is an example of the industrial-scale hubris that led to GoonswarmGÇÖs capital system being renamed GÇ£MittaningradGÇ¥. In fact, I chose the name despite his concerns. Mittani himself wanted the site to be called something very worthy and descriptive like GÇ£Internet Spaceship NewsGÇ¥ or the like: dull enough that I genuinely canGÇÖt remember.

GÇ£The MittaniGÇ¥ has become a brand: one of the most recognisable and googled phrases or labels in Eve, it simply has recognition value that we would have struggled to create with anything else. I wanted us to profit from the better part of a decade of work and history that many new websites would give their right arm to possess. Although I admit that the would-be customers of, say, a travel site start-up might be a bit confused by the name. And the consequences of seeking to piggyback on that history for a sensitivity-training and human resources dotcom would be downright disastrous.

I remember reading, several years ago now, one of our enemies sagely informing his alliance that there was no GÇ£The MittaniGÇ¥: that it was a shadowy group who used the fictional character of GÇ£The MittaniGÇ¥ as a nom de plume through which to speak to Goons and Eve. I think that we have all seen that gelled hair often enough now to know that he was wrong at the time, but in the end he wasnGÇÖt that far off."

Why not just name the site, The Ego

Why not just name the site, The Ego

But there is no section that belittles new players or threatens noobs. +1 if they add that section. Posting as a non goon alt who actually likes the site.

Why not just name yourself ******?

Edit: So naming yourself Stalin is allowed, but even the name Hitl3r needs to be censored. :ccp:

um hi I'm in charge of goonswarm's newbie program

we're an alliance that recruits newbies, you see

Sounds like a scam to me but I could be wrong send me 2mil isk to verify that it is not a scam.

the newbies we recruit are from outside the game

i can't believe people don't know this

Let me see which is worse... running naked through a cornfield backwards, showering with jerry sandusky or joining goons. Either way your going to be butt raped.

You do realize that Google Adsense fills in those ads based upon your browsing habits right?

Let me see which is worse... running naked through a cornfield backwards, showering with jerry sandusky or joining goons. Either way your going to be butt raped.

If CCP ever closes down the server that guy will not know what to do with his life. lol

I get treated like a human being and I'm not even an alliance member let alone a member of goonwaffe.

Pssst, don't you ever dare to tell nerds they can actually find friends and intelligent people in goons!!!

If they all apply to CFC alliances then what's left for .DOT and lots of DOT's alliances??? heh? I'm asking you !!

tl;dr
Losing the feeling of being powerful, and making a difference, can lead to people going elsewhere for the experience.

PS: Please do not read this as a "Goon's ruined Eve" post, it isn't intended as such.

Eve is the thinking mans' MMO and in order to be truely powerful you should find your niche (what you enjoy) and do your best at it. Making a difference is entirely dependent upon your goals or "role" in a role-playing game. White knight, dastardly villain, etc.

As the lead Dev of TheMittani.com I am saddened and hurt by all these comments claiming that what we have created is just another propaganda mouthpiece when that really couldn't be further from the truth.


We're actually a facade for The Mittani's new enterprise expansion into the business of selling space crack.

As the lead Dev of TheMittani.com I am saddened and hurt by all these comments claiming that what we have created is just another propaganda mouthpiece when that really couldn't be further from the truth.


We're actually a facade for The Mittani's new enterprise expansion into the business of selling space crack.

You did a damn good job, btw.

Except that it is increasingly difficult to find any niche in Eve that is not touched by the machinery of the large power blocs. For example, Faction Warfare would, to the naive, seem to be a refuge from the economic game where there is a framework to "make a difference" in the role of "loyalist combat pilot". How does one examine the manipulation of Minmatar Faction Warfare and not come to the conclusion that the "real game" lies in the manipulation?

One can only be content with small-beans excellence ("I'm good at running FW sites with Stealth Bombers, maybe now Gallente will take some territory" ) if one does not see the larger game. The point being, ignorance is bliss, but in a "thinking man's MMO", most players would naturally allow curiosity to tear away the veil.

I didn't say it was impossible to be good at a role in Eve, just that's it's difficult to remain satisfied with that role when you see the bigger game.

I read a few of the articles, news items, and columns. It is definitely worth the time for anyone serious about Eve Online.

At the same time, it's rather depressing for a casual player or "Eve-born" as The Mittani would label me. The reason is that the quality of the articles and expressed opinions allows one to develop a clearer picture of the metagame, or so it seems to me.

I'll try to summarize the impression that I got from reading several of the articles and columns including "The Eve-Born", "Jita Burns", "Fear, Loathing and Exploding Stations", "120 Days and Counting: The South On Fire" and others.

There are many levels of struggle occurring in the Eve universe. While many of us see only the next fight, the next corp op, the next POS bash... etc., there is a larger battle being waged at the level of player populations. The articles outline macroeconomic manipulation of hi-sec populations (small corporations and alliances not affiliated with large null-sec power blocs) to the extent that a single player-bloc controls T2 production. They are exercising this control to attempt to establish lasting monopolies.

While lesser groups fight for territory, one group in the game wages a battle for overall dominance.

Why is this depressing? It allows one to better see the tight-rope of maintaining Eve.

In one sense, it is very like the real world where very large corporations or cartels make it nearly impossible for a small businesses to last because every field of endeavor is dominated by a large cartel. For playing Eve, it means that it is impossible for a single player, or small group of players to sign up and play at anywhere close to that level. The moment a small corp tries to play the economic game, they must face these massive blocs of players. Over time, it will be harder and harder to sustain player populations that do not include the community-born, as The Mittani labels them. Those players that came to Eve because they simply wanted to play a space-oriented MMO will move on to other games.

I suspect that CCP understand this at several levels and have been tugging the line back into place with the recent patches. The tight-rope they have to walk is stretched taught between alienation of these large power blocs and retention of Eve-born players.

While it is amazing to see the game of Eve played at such a level, it makes one mildly sad to think that such a level of play is therefore inaccessible to most. If that's the end game of Eve, very few of us will ever get to play it. This realization might cause people to leave the game, while too much disruption of the metagame could have the same effect.

tl;dr
Losing the feeling of being powerful, and making a difference, can lead to people going elsewhere for the experience.

PS: Please do not read this as a "Goon's ruined Eve" post, it isn't intended as such.

Are there pics? I'd click the link if there were pics...

The font on the About section makes me want to sharpen a pencil and jam it in my eyes.

Who designed this site? It's absolutely unreadable. The font on the About section makes me want to sharpen a pencil and jam it in my eyes.

Maybe when you guys get a better design, people will actually visit the site more than once.

This is quite sexy. EVE finally gets a Reuters / BBC / Al Jazeera, instead of its Fox News monopoly.

Especially the FilipinoCupid.com ad.

Most ad networks customize the ads for the person viewing the site. I wonder what that says about you?

-Liang

are we able to make comments on the stories? I see a place to log in but no where to register

You can use federated logins from Twitter, Google, Facebook or a Disqus account.

It's pretty decent commentary. Though, I do think it's only a matter of time before you find the same propaganda here as you would anywhere else.

So, how long until EN24 is nothing but blog posts and trolls trolling trolls?




(It is a trick question you see as it has been that since almost immediately after its creation.)

Required reading.

Another good thing:

James 315 has another outlet for his long-winded posts, and we don't have to see them in GD anymore.

That alone is cause for celebration.

So with obvious skepticism, I decided you know what, #yolo and went to read the articles of themittani.com

What did I find? Refreshingly well written accounts of Eve news, politics, and hilarity that are sorely lacking on other unnamed Eve News websites. I am very impressed with the layout of the site, and if this is any indication of what is to come, I will definitely be reading this website daily. I especially am happy that you have got the great savior of highsec himself, James315 writing for you. Perhaps try to bring in a "dotBros" or "SoCo" writer to appease those who cry of CFC bias. Of course, that is all a matter of people volunteering to do it, but I would hope that at least one person from those blocks could put a few words in an article from time to time (as long as you let Endie edit it).

For those who think the site is biased for lack of a particular perspective, why not offer to submit some content?

you should be a the mittani dot com writer

Layouts awesome, most articles are written very nicely and easy to understand even for non-native english speakers.

But still I will only give it 6/10 because the bad articles really shines. A few of them are very obvious and bad because of the obvious parting with goonswarm and hating against their sworn enemy -A-.

But I like it and will probably check it out more. :)

Persuade a literate and persuasive AAA member to send me an update on the progress of the southern war and I will leap at the chance to post it.

Dsan left, so I guess we won't be seeing anything from -A-'s point of view any time soon.

Dsan left, so I guess we won't be seeing anything from -A-'s point of view any time soon.

After reading Eve News24 and Riverini's circle jerk propoganda article's in which he is the star of the world and everyone else is an idiot, Mittani actually comes off sounding professional, honest and accurate by comparison.

I found most of the articles to be very well balanced and actually useful since it actually provided news rather the what News24 gave us, a wall of hidden meanings and insults with unverfied and usually completetly inaccurate information. Still Mittani is aragont and it shows in his totalitarian writing in which he speaks as if every opinion he has is a fact in gods eyes. Being an aragont A-hole myself I have to assume that he is aragont for the same reason I am, BIG package. Its both a curse and a blessing.

Good site all around, thanks for the News24 replacement!

more like theshittani

lol jk. It is a really nice site and the articles are very well written. Eve news will either step up their game now that there's competent competition or they will remain **** and be completely embarrassed.

more like theshittani

lol jk. It is a really nice site and the articles are very well written. Eve news will either step up their game now that there's competent competition or they will remain **** and be completely embarrassed.

Same the name in the link, will never go there. But you guys feel free to support the disgraced lawyer.

First piece I read was terribly opinionated

Actually look like a good good site.

Pity about the name though, it makes it look like one sided commentary. Kind of like going to http://www.democrats.org to get balanced commentary on the USA democrats.

I am not saying the commentary is one sided but the name absolutely screams bias.

Actually look like a good good site.

Pity about the name though, it makes it look like one sided commentary. Kind of like going to http://www.democrats.org to get balanced commentary on the USA democrats.

I am not saying the commentary is one sided but the name absolutely screams bias.

I would sooner wipe with glass than go to a site named after mittani.

Did you not read the hubris article? If youd like to read about a select few cfc getting butchered read that one. Also as far as I know the site will have as much "opposition" as they are willing to contribute. If you have something to say why not offer to contribute too?

There was also an article about NC.'s success in using Tier 3s to headshot cfc fleets and how the war in the north is changing pace. You seem difficult to please on this one. Dare I say youre being unfair?

I just rechecked this site and now it just looks like a CFC propaganda site

This thread needs to die, except Goons and their buddies keep bumping it.

Apparently the site needs some readership.

Desperate times calls for desperate measures.

Still, naming the website after mittens was dumb. They think the name is a brand and will draw in viewers like no tomorrow, but it will actually do the opposite. They had the chance to do something really well, and they did... up until they decided to goonify it. Thus destroying any credibility the news site will ever have for being unbiased and accurate news. Now, simply a joke. I laughed.

Perhaps that was the plan all along, a CFC version of evenews24.

Ok extracts from the Hubris article

"My current favorite story about this is the VFK cynogen, a source of constant kills for enemies of GoonSwarm Federation."
So yes it contains a bit about goon stupidity followed immediately by the words
"The losses themselves aren't what's important, because it's pretty easy to replace ships."

On to head shots

"CFC carriers have even fallen victim to Tornado alpha strikes."
Followed by "There are, of course, ways to get around this."

As to writing articles for that site, I think I have a better chance of looking at my pen and figuring out the mass of the Higgs boson.

Unfair possibly a little but the site has taken a side very quickly. There are no mentions of CFC mass slaughters, only small numbered ones.

Why? How can you sit back and point fingers and at the same time be unwilling to do anything about it?

Unfair possibly a little but the site has taken a side very quickly. There are no mentions of CFC mass slaughters, only small numbered ones.

See the thing is we covered that mass slaughter of 15 -A- supercarriers and their support fleet in K-6, the fact that we're not covering maelstrom welps which are just as significant as 15 supercarrier wrecks and all the accompanying dead tengus means that we're biased, a propaganda site.

do you want balanced reporting or balanced facts?

Well if you balance a fact it is hardly a fact, like when people say seasonally adjusted.

the desire to balance facts brought us great moments like the evolution vs creationism "controversy" - after all everyone knows that there have to be two sides to each story ...

Please tell me exactly why I should draft an article to cover THE MASS SLAUGHTER of six CFC carriers. How is "Tornadoes gank some carriers" newsworthy? If you can explain that, I'll get writing right now, but you'll have a hard time convincing me!

Sorry I don't know that battle but you could write one about 42XJ-N brawl
where Goonswarm and associates seem to have lost 64 maelstroms, 133 capsules, 56 drakes, a moros, 2 chimeras, 9 scorpions and 17 scimitars compared to killing 3 canes, 8 zealots, 2 phobos and a few other things.

Now that would make a good read especially if there are more videos involved.

Myself I don't really care about Null sec wars but it is fun to watch things go BOOM!

fyi you should probably look at the link I posted above!

I didnt see that article. Not sure Frying Doom did either.

"let's make sure that we report on one NCdot victory for ever GSF victory we report on" is balancing facts, "let's try to paint a representative (but necessarily incomplete) picture of this conflict" is balanced reporting.

The Eve News 24 one?
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/08/20/battle-report-42xj-n-madness/

I stopped reading En24 a while back. I meant themittani.com one.

you need to realize that like a restaurant you must give the customers what they want not what you want.

If you want to be a news site not a propaganda machine you need to realize that like a restaurant you must give the customers what they want not what you want.

Yeah I read that one too and as I said I feel I was better informed by EvE News 24, I can't say if it was biased, I wasn't there after all.
I just look at the kill logs and watch the videos after giving the story a quick scan.

that's the very argument that has killed "journalistic" news on all ad-funded networks.

Light text on a dark background is a terrible idea, same goes for this forum.

I wasn't there either as it isn't my time zone. I looked at the En24 article (the horror) and I may point out that one devolved to name calling pretty quickly while the other proceeded to give an accurate account as to why the fight occurred and not just how.

Verdict: en24 is still ****.

edit: I say this because themittani.com article wasn't just "a fight happened! Silly goonies hurf blurf"

Battle Report: 42XJ-N Sunday Madness.

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Battle Report: 42XJ-N Sunday Madness.

What follows is a battle report from a Black Legion. pilot who GÇ£Was ThereGÇ¥ GÇô enjoy the reading:
Dotbros, Nulli & IRC vs The Deklein Coalition GÇô 42XJ-N brawl

The war against Goons has started to get ~serious~, with some systems in Tribute starting to have their sovereignty threatened. That was the premise for the start of this nights op. Well, that and Elo promised cap kills, as Goons were reffing things with caps and an 80man support fleet. Some cat and mouse was played in the 03C-SU constellation as DotBros bridged in around 160 man AHAC fleet in an attempt to catch some caps, and then kill them.

Things didnGÇÖt quite go that way, and the DotBros ended up bridging back to H-W9TY and then rebridging to Venal for a C0NVICTED Dysprosium moon coming out of reinforce in 42XJ-N.

The hope was a brawl would happen and MAYBE weGÇÖd get this moon. (This moon has been the sight of quite a few brawls between DotBros and Goons). The AHAC fleet entered system first, followed shortly by an Intrepid Crossing support fleet of Muninns. Pings were made, warpins were adjusted, and probes were set in preparation of the Goon coming to save the tower.

A Rifter played around near the edge of the pos shields and was the focus of some interceptors, as the general consensus was that this ship was one of the cyno ships that would be used to get Goons into the system. More cat and mouse as the AHACS moved around the system, eventually to the G9D gate when word of an approaching Drake fleet was received.

Then the cynos went up.

Two simultaneous cynos were opened on a tower: one used to bridge in a Maelstrom blob, the other to bridge in tracking dreads/carriers.

Why Goons brought tracking dreads to an AHAC brawl is confusing at best. One cyno Falcon was killed, and the fight, it seemed, was on.

DotBros warped out, then quickly warped in to get better positioning both on the Maelstroms and the caps. Capital ships were primaried first, with a Moros and 2 Chimeras quickly erased from the field. The focus then shifted to the Huginns that were on field. Once sufficient numbers of Huginns/Lachesis/Scorpions were dead, the AHACS repositioned on top of the Maelstrom fleet.

Bubbles went up and a Turkey Shoot commenced. The Maelstroms no longer much of a problem, the Drake fleet was then targeted by the DOTBros. Even as the Goons tried to skirt the range of the AHACS, ships were being killed at a solid pace.

Vily was webbed and pointed and eventually blapped as the rest of the Drake fleet microwarpdrived out of the range of the AHACS. At this point, with their FC dead and DBRB having to take over this fleet (he was fcing the Maels, but was killed) the Goon drakes began disengaging and began to warp off.

DotBros very convincingly held the field, even replacing the tower with their own though it is already reinforced.

Ok to save time I will just post the bloody article, as The article does not contain any name calling that I can see, but I am going blind so....


Source: http://www.evenews24.com/2012/08/20/battle-report-42xj-n-madness/

Then there is the videos, always cool and then some crap by other people

It should be noted that IRC lost more Muninns than what is shown in that BR Doctor, and that DBRB rage logged after having his alts killed and podded in each of the Goon fleets. B.Legion best Legion

Measure and Counter-Measure

Now we move onto last night, and an enemy fleet that has adapted to what we bring. Since Hilmar's article of last week, first we and then the enemy adapted, and they are no longer are they bringing Tier 3 battlecruisers to lose en masse to bomb-runs. Instead, they have switched to AHACs and a fleet of Black Legion's old, familiar munnins, with instacane support to completely counter bomber runs.

The CFC brought the usual: Alphafleet and Drakefleet. With hostiles already in system shooting the tower, CFC decided on a clever tactic, drake fleet bridged in off the pos to pull the AHACs off the gate, Alphafleet then jumped in. In a matter of minutes all fleets were engaged on the pos, CFC brought in caps to tip the scales. Alphafleet then bounced off to the sun to get range on the AHACs, a move that would generally make sense.

However, with 100 zealots at close range on caps, they started melting dreads and carriers while Alphafleet was not pressuring them. Capitals might no longer be the disastrous loss they once were, but this was still a mistake: the CFC lost 3 capitals, perhaps needlessly. It's difficult to imagine in Eve Online that a single mistake in a 600 man engagement could really change much, but it can and it did. No one enjoys losing capitals, and no one certainly enjoys being the one in charge when they're dying, this is where the anger started, and lasted several minutes until the capitals jumped out.

There was not much chatter after that. Neither the Alphafleet FC nor the Drakefleet FC survived for very long. Comms became quiet as a reinforcement fleet attempted to form up. The hostile AHAC fleet had already reshipped and returned to the fight (due to the proximity of 42XJ to the hostile staging system that I mentioned earlier) while the Alphafleet and Drakefleet were unable to receive any replacements, and any lost ship was lost for good at this point. The organised fighting tailed off, but more ships were lost as people discussed what to do and whether or not to keep fighting. The tower was dead, the mood was not brilliant.

With NC. placing their own tower on the corpse of AIF's former one, the fleets returned home, disheartened once again by the shitfest that is 42XJ - a major juxtaposition from the earlier 1500 man fleet rolling around to take the GIH ihub down.

You missed a spot:



Another point I'd like to make. Riv is definitely quick to jump on any CFC losses but when it's the other way around you're lucky you see an article within a week let alone at all. Hence why I don't read it

In all honesty, it actually is a good site. Better written than EVE News 24 is, that's for sure! The features section of the site is very, very well put together with the design being clean, efficient and a pleasure upon the eyes.

Use Adblock though...

When you compare the EvE News 24 article to themittani article you can see why I feel better informed by EN24

This is the story the rest is just padding

The Eve News 24 story seemed a lot more detailed.

Like I said I'd rather read a narrative than a step by step approach to each specific action in the fight. I find a outline of what occurred much easier reading when I'm trying to get a bigger picture of the fight. About the "padding" what's wrong with background in an article. Some people enjoy the politics and greater strategic importance that go into these fights and not just what a step by step accounting.

But now this is just apples and oranges.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with the padding, just the fact it was not the commentary on the actual fight.

Yes there is a bigger picture to almost everything in EvE and I am yet to find a website that discloses all I would like to know.

you should be a the mittani dot com writer