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Kyroki Tirpellan
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Posted - 2005.01.19 23:23:00 -
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I recently purchased a Hawk class assault frigate. Not as good as the Harpy, that's propably true (though I haven't tried the Harpy yet) but that's not the point. I'm usually not the one to ask for fitting suggestions, but I'm not sure with this one and as there's currently no thread about them I decided to make one.
Current fitting:
3x 150mm Railgun II
1x Rocket Launcher + defenders
1x Medium Shield Booster II [gives 108 hp every 3 seconds]
2x Shield Hardeners
1x Named Cap Recharger
1x Power Diagnostics System
1x Overdrive Injector
Power: 52/52.5 MW
CPU 215.7/225 tf
As you can see I had severe problems with both power and CPU, hence the ODI. Any suggestions on how I can improve that setup? (It's for pvp in a group btw)
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2005.01.19 23:47:00 -
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sounds about right. only thing i'd suggest is to use another PDU instead of the OD. but since you know about PDUs, i guess youve considered this. i just like them, not for the powergrid, but for the cap and shields.
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2005.01.20 00:03:00 -
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Either use named shield hardeners, a named tech 1 med shield booster, and use 2 power diags. Or drop for 3 125mm 2's and 2 pdus
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Posted - 2005.01.20 02:55:00 -
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Scrap it and get a harpy, sod the shield boost bonus, go for damage.
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Mallik Hendrake
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Posted - 2005.01.20 03:38:00 -
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The hawk hits like a girl. Take off the kid gloves and get a real ship.
3 x 150s will continually fail to do your job - it won't kill other frigates because it tracks almost as badly as a medium gun. If they're moving with high transversal you just won't hit. If you get really good launchers and launcher 5/missiles 5, 2 launchers and 2 125mm rails will probably churn out way more dot than you have (given your 25% rof bonus).
Still, the Hawk just does not have enough defensive Umph to make up for its absolutely crap damage compared to any other assault frig. My advise is to sell your Hawk, get a Harpy - play the Harpy for a few weeks and then come to grips with the fact that Caldari assault frigates are a sack of crap for anything except NPCing (and even there they play second fiddle to the Enyo or the Retribution). For the sake of reference I'm pretending the Minmatar frigs don't exist, though at least they can shield tank without active hardeners :P
I got my Retribution today and I am never, ever touching my Harpies again. Maybe I'll train for an enyo though :)
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.01.20 06:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Mallik Hendrake
The hawk hits like a girl. Take off the kid gloves and get a real ship.
3 x 150s will continually fail to do your job - it won't kill other frigates because it tracks almost as badly as a medium gun. If they're moving with high transversal you just won't hit. If you get really good launchers and launcher 5/missiles 5, 2 launchers and 2 125mm rails will probably churn out way more dot than you have (given your 25% rof bonus).
Still, the Hawk just does not have enough defensive Umph to make up for its absolutely crap damage compared to any other assault frig. My advise is to sell your Hawk, get a Harpy - play the Harpy for a few weeks and then come to grips with the fact that Caldari assault frigates are a sack of crap for anything except NPCing (and even there they play second fiddle to the Enyo or the Retribution). For the sake of reference I'm pretending the Minmatar frigs don't exist, though at least they can shield tank without active hardeners :P
I got my Retribution today and I am never, ever touching my Harpies again. Maybe I'll train for an enyo though :)
You must be joking, Harpy is just as good as an Enyo and probably better since it has more CPU and medslots for general pvp outfits, and can take alot more damage per second as with all shield boosting setups. And thats not even with a medium booster, which it can fit. And I personally enjoy hitting at 20km with antimatter. 
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.01.20 08:38:00 -
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Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 20/01/2005 08:46:52
I'm in my Hawk right now in fact, doing missions while I ***** the forums.  It's a damned defensive little Assault Ship, which IMO is a good thing. I can't afford to lose Assault Ships regularly, and I'm glad I chose one that is a bit more hardy than the other option, the Harpy. It isn't as big of a damage dealer as some of the other ships, but I could really care less. It performs great versus interceptors, frigates, and destroyers, and thats all I need. Here's my current setup.
High:
2x 'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher
2x named 150mm Rails (soon to be Tech 2)
Mid:
1 Medium CL-5 Shield Booster (Or a Medium T2 if you have an AB fitted)
1 'Anointed' I EM Ward Reinforcement activated shield hardner
1 1mn AB T2 or 1mn MWD (depends on whether I'm doing deadspace)
1 named Cap Recharger I
Low:
2x PDU
Naturally, this is a NPCing setup, and has room for improvement. I'm currently tight for PG on this setup, or I'd have everything I could Tech 2. I might yank a PDU for a MAPC in the future so I can fit all the Tech 2 stuff.
EDIT- Lastly, I'd also like to point out the price difference between the Hawk and the Harpy. The Hawk goes for around 14 million, the Harpy goes for around 21 million. Thats a 50% price difference. For a ship that pays out jack crap for insurance, thats important. Also, with the Harpy, that 21 million ISK frigate goes down easier than the 14 million ISK Hawk. So if you're on any sort of budget, the Hawk is a massively better deal. And it looks cooler than the Harpy.
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Jagaroth
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Posted - 2005.01.20 08:38:00 -
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I spent quite some time deciding which to get. Given my lack of funds in the end I couldn't justify the extra 11m isk for a Harpy. And besides, the Hawk has a much cooler colour scheme...
Also, I think the point with the Hawk is that it is not there to do masses of damage; it is there to support a fleet and survive the battle. That means you need to work on the assumption that one of your medium slots will have a webber/scrambler.
However, I haven't got much further than that as my agent keeps giving me unfair mission scenarios every time I take a new setup out for testing...
*note to self: save up for insurance...
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.01.20 14:45:00 -
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I'm going for a Hawk too, for PvP only (to make cash in missions, there are much better options unless you are frigateer at heart).
I'm thinking about this, would it do the job to kill interceptors ?
2 x light missile
2 x 125 mm
1 x Webber
1 x Scrambler
1 x EM hardener (everybody and his mother does EM damage nowadays)
1 x speed boost (probably AB but the tanking abilities allows for MWD if not against cruisers)
1 x damage mod
1 x tracking enhancer
I omited on purpose to throw named or tech II stuff in here since when you can fly that you obviously have the cash for good mods, and naming them is only bragging 
So, who has the experience hunting interceptors in assault frigates ?
Would that kind of setup kill one before it can flee ?
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Axle skye
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Posted - 2005.01.20 15:04:00 -
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I know you were looking for pvp setups, but never tried it in PVP. I find the Hawk to work quite well for PVE, esp. gurrista or serps. and there arn't any real good setup threads for it.
A couple of setups.
"basic"
2 150mm rails
2 sm launchers
2 passive hardeners (therm/kin for gurristas or Serps.)
1 t2 Sm shield booster
1 Tracking Computer
1 t2 mag stab.
1 t2 Tracking enhancer
- alternate set-ups
Passive shield tank (yep, thats right and it works)
2 rocket launchers
2 125mm rails
2 t2 shield extenders (1100+ shield pts)
1 M51 shield recharger
1 passive hardener
2 type D shield power relays.
Shield recharge rate 231 sec (need more skills to get it lower) .
Close range.(haven't used this in a while)
2 rocket launchers
2 ion/nuetron blasters or 125 mm rails.
1 Sm shield booster
2 hardeners
1 web.
2 ballistic mods.
it can spew rockets at about 2sec ROF.
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Arbenowskee
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Posted - 2005.01.20 15:51:00 -
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use a web on hawk. if u don't have web any ceptor will kill u, since 150mm rails won't hit him if he's close enough.
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Anjerrai Meloanis
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Posted - 2005.01.20 22:25:00 -
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get a small gistii shield booster, its worth the isk to tank an interceptor all day 1on1 heh...
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Jagaroth
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Posted - 2005.01.21 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Jagaroth on 14/02/2005 22:20:46
Get decent named rocket launchers for that last setup and you should be shooting 1 rocket per second... and can switch to defenders.
My current setup is:
HIGH
2x named rockets
1 named light blaster
1 named small Nos or a second blaster
MEDIUM
1 small shield booster t2
1 Annointed ward (EM hardner)
1 EM amplifier (passive)
1 AB (mainly for travel) or 1 named webber
SMALL
1 PDU
1 Cap flux coil
I need to test the 4th high slot as I was having trouble keeping my cap up running the hardner, even with the flux coil. 
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.01.21 23:14:00 -
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Rockets are actually really good DoT, but I don't think I'd use em for PVP. Simply because you have to be at less than 10 km to use them which puts you in webbing range. Being webbed while in a frigate, even an Assault Ship, is never fun.
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Cowboy
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Posted - 2005.01.22 04:40:00 -
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Hawks and Harpys hmmmm. I fly both. I'll tell you this the hawk is underrated. Yes it does lack the punch and range of the Harpy, although I have killed both Harpys and Enyos while flyin in a Hawk. So the HAwk is not to be underestamated.
The only thing I would not put on a Hawk. 150mm rails, but then again thats just me
Buttom line with AFs. It boils down to pilot experience, skills and fighting style.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.01.22 04:52:00 -
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Reading some replies, I wonder if a scrambler is really needed on a Hawk ?
With only a webber, won't the opponent escape too easily ?
Against cruisers, the scrambler is not an option, but I don't see many cruisers in Pure Blind and Deklein, it's elite frigates, BSs and industrials with rarely a HAC.
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Gard Coran
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Posted - 2005.03.11 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cowboy
Hawks and Harpys hmmmm. I fly both. I'll tell you this the hawk is underrated. Yes it does lack the punch and range of the Harpy, although I have killed both Harpys and Enyos while flyin in a Hawk. So the HAwk is not to be underestamated.
I agree with Cowboy. The Hawk is not a Harpy but it's not supposed to be. It can be made to fly very effectively and tanks pretty well. Set up properly, it's a sweet little AF. Don't use 150mm rails because they track very poorly.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.03.11 04:26:00 -
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Oh! a resurrected thread 
I recently had some tests with corpmates both in a Harpy and Hawk.
In a Harpy, I didn't last long against Enyo, Wolff or Jaguar. I didn't even bother fighting against Amarr assault frigates, for obvious reasons: 0% resistance on shields is really painfull.
Then, I gave my Hawk a chance and won all fights I had lost in my Harpy for two reasons:
1¦ With 2 launchers, I could hit for the best damage type.
2¦ I can fit a Hawk with a medium shield booster II and still have a magnetic stabiliezr II and tracking enhancer II in lows.
Of course, a Harpy with a Gistii shield booster is incredibly resistant, but I don't see me flying a 70Mio frigate, especially the way I fight, which is not always reasonable according to my corpmates
Unfortunately, dog fights are very rare in Eve, and the Hawk lags behind the Harpy in most situations since missiles rarely hit, while 4 guns on a Harpy hit instantly and do more damage than light missiles.
So I find myself flying a Harpy most of the time, while the Hawk looks much nicer
Anyways, I'm not very fond on Caldari assault frigates, since they are incredibly sluggish and EM damage is overused at the moment (and shield tanking is not as good as armor tanking, excepted on a Wolf).
It is reasonable to expect light missiles go faster in a near future so they can catch fast frigates, and the Hawk would be worth flying in frigate squads as well as solo.
For fleet flights, we will have to see if the missile overhaul nerfs cruises/torpedoes against frigates or not, otherwise they will remain expensive toys...
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Marcus Alkhaar
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Posted - 2005.03.21 13:47:00 -
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Hawk PvE setup:
HI:
3x Neutron Blasters II, 1x Arbalest Rocket launcher (defenders or extra damage versus openent)
Mid:
Gistii AB
Gistii Small shield booster
Kin hardener (maybe you should get a Passive because it seems to take a bit of cap...)
X5 Webber (because you need to get in like 1,6 km and keep them were you can shoot them)
Low:
2x Power Diagnostic System (else you wont have enough grid to fit your stuff)
uhm.... Expensive setup? yeah!
3x neutron II (5,4 mil for 3 of them)
1x Arbalest (1,6 mil
Gistii AB (20 mil)
Gistii shield booster (30 mil)
Named Hardener (1,6 mil)
X5 webber (0.4 mil)
2x Power Diagnostic system (8 mil for, 4 mil for each of them)
and not to forget about the hawk (14 mil)
80 milion setup.... but I think it will be a funny setup, you can use it for gatecamping too web them HARD
you can do all lvl 3 missions in it (EM hardener for the drone mission)
lvl 4 missions you can support you friend who is sitting in a Raven
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Azmodaus
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Posted - 2005.06.05 18:33:00 -
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With my setup I go with 3 t2 125mm and 1 standard launcher. I find that with a t2 mag stab and t2 tracking enhancer on low's it does more damage than the seemingly standard 2 gun/2 launcher setup. However it comes at a price, you must settle with a t2 small shield booster on the mid slot.
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Bazman
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Posted - 2005.06.05 18:56:00 -
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The Hawk is a *missle* fighter, if your going to put 3 guns on it, buy a Harpy instead.
High: 2 x 150mm Railgun II's, 2 Arbalest Standards (Essential)
Mid: Small SB II, AB II, Web, Small Capacitor Booster II (With 75 Charges)
Lows: 2 Ballistic Controls
You can hold 5 charges in the booster and 10 more in the hold, which gives you good staying power. No other frigate, of *any* type, is going to break your tank before you destroy it or force it to flee
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R31D
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Posted - 2005.06.05 20:21:00 -
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Bazman, that's pretty much my exact setup, except I use cap 100 charges and a medium booster
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Moridin
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Posted - 2005.08.12 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 20/01/2005 08:46:52
I'm in my Hawk right now in fact, doing missions while I ***** the forums. It's a damned defensive little Assault Ship, which IMO is a good thing. I can't afford to lose Assault Ships regularly, and I'm glad I chose one that is a bit more hardy than the other option, the Harpy. It isn't as big of a damage dealer as some of the other ships, but I could really care less. It performs great versus interceptors, frigates, and destroyers, and thats all I need. Here's my current setup.
High:
2x 'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher
2x named 150mm Rails (soon to be Tech 2)
Mid:
1 Medium CL-5 Shield Booster (Or a Medium T2 if you have an AB fitted)
1 'Anointed' I EM Ward Reinforcement activated shield hardner
1 1mn AB T2 or 1mn MWD (depends on whether I'm doing deadspace)
1 named Cap Recharger I
Low:
2x PDU
Naturally, this is a NPCing setup, and has room for improvement. I'm currently tight for PG on this setup, or I'd have everything I could Tech 2. I might yank a PDU for a MAPC in the future so I can fit all the Tech 2 stuff.
EDIT- Lastly, I'd also like to point out the price difference between the Hawk and the Harpy. The Hawk goes for around 14 million, the Harpy goes for around 21 million. Thats a 50% price difference. For a ship that pays out jack crap for insurance, thats important. Also, with the Harpy, that 21 million ISK frigate goes down easier than the 14 million ISK Hawk. So if you're on any sort of budget, the Hawk is a massively better deal. And it looks cooler than the Harpy.
post missile patch. add RCU2 for 1 PDU.
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Lord Morkoth
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Posted - 2005.08.12 16:33:00 -
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i bet the hawk would never be able to pull this
off  . I found a commander spawn, warped in long and sniped the frigs so I wouldnt get webbed, killed one of his bs's and went in for the kill
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Epoch
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Posted - 2005.08.13 04:14:00 -
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Quote:
post missile patch. add RCU2 for 1 PDU.
yep, almost all the previous suggested setups wont work now.
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Forsch
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Posted - 2005.09.22 11:40:00 -
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Don't you guys use a scrambler on the hawk in pvp?
While I see that it can tank quite a bunch, the dmg output isn't that much that you can kill another AF before it can start to warp out, at least I would think.
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Bazman
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Posted - 2005.09.22 12:48:00 -
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Old threads ftw
My setup needs a minor change, had to downgrade to T2 125mm's to make it all fit. But the 125's are just backups to the missle pwnage you'll be handing out. Rapid Launch level 4 is also a must, you don't quite get the same rof as you did before patch though, I guess you could if you get Standard Launcher II's.
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Grrl
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Posted - 2005.09.22 14:49:00 -
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here's what I got on my hawk for doing missions.
high
2 150mm/125mm railgun II (I like the 150mm better so far, but both fit)
2 light missile launcher II
medium
1 1mn afterburner II
1 small shield booster II (gistii would be nice)
1 em hardner (named or tech II)
1 named cap recharger
low
2 power diagnostic system II
I don't find the dmg output to be all that bad. and it can tank real well.
powergrid is tight but advanced weapon upgrades lvl3 will make it fit.
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Cutter Slade
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Posted - 2005.10.19 14:13:00 -
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2 x 125mm T2
2 x arb standard
small shield booster T2
20k warp scrambler
active EM hardner
small shield extender (got best named fitted atm dont know if T2 will fit)
2 x PDU T2
Pick your damage with the standards.
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Justin Cody
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Posted - 2005.10.19 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Morkoth
i bet the hawk would never be able to pull this
off . I found a commander spawn, warped in long and sniped the frigs so I wouldnt get webbed, killed one of his bs's and went in for the kill
Sure it could...my statement in the affirmative has as much as yours does in teh negative ;)
I do fly a hawk and its a tough lil bugger...I use blasters tho (light neutron II's+2 rocket launchers)
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